Mafia: Trouble in DheeWorld (8 Viewers)
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Well I wasn't around enough today to get everything sorted in my head but here is what I'm thinking so far
The PM mess was getting too much focus it seems. For it to be a plan it would take a huge amount of luck not only to get Voller as a G right but also for both Salvo and Preet to be stupid enough to respond if they were G's, I don't believe in luck or that Salvo ( as much as he acts like one sometimes) and Preet are stupid. It seems more likely they both just tried to troll the sender and assuming one of them did that as a G seems unlikely.
Following that logic lets assume for now that Preet is a C and look at the votes.
Adonis,Alen and Shike changed their votes in the dying minutes all from Preet to Salvo. If any one of them is a G it's safe to assume Preet isn't cause I see no reason for them to put her in danger only to bail her out in the last minute lynching a C in the process and making themselves look fishy. the only way preet is a G is if Adonis is also a G and it was a him or her situation so the risk was worth taking. I'm not sold on that yet but I would keep that in mind.
If the above scenario is wrong then the only thing left is look at the voting and see who made a "soft" vote
The PM mess was getting too much focus it seems. For it to be a plan it would take a huge amount of luck not only to get Voller as a G right but also for both Salvo and Preet to be stupid enough to respond if they were G's, I don't believe in luck or that Salvo ( as much as he acts like one sometimes) and Preet are stupid. It seems more likely they both just tried to troll the sender and assuming one of them did that as a G seems unlikely.
Following that logic lets assume for now that Preet is a C and look at the votes.
Adonis,Alen and Shike changed their votes in the dying minutes all from Preet to Salvo. If any one of them is a G it's safe to assume Preet isn't cause I see no reason for them to put her in danger only to bail her out in the last minute lynching a C in the process and making themselves look fishy. the only way preet is a G is if Adonis is also a G and it was a him or her situation so the risk was worth taking. I'm not sold on that yet but I would keep that in mind.
If the above scenario is wrong then the only thing left is look at the voting and see who made a "soft" vote
It wasn't that strange if you try to analyze it.
14 minutes before deadline Kate posted the votes. Salvo had 5 votes, while Preet and Adonis had 4. All were in danger.
The first one who voted after that was Adonis. Strangely enough, instead of giving the 6th vote to Salvo, he gave the 5th vote to Preet. After that it was Salvo 5, Preet 5, Adonis 4.
I come next, 10 minutes before deadline. I vote Preet too and now it's Preet 6, Salvo 5, Adonis 4.
Then comes Sheik with an Adonis vote and makes it Preet 6, Adonis 5, Salvo 5.
Now each and every one of them is in a pretty bad position. One change of vote might mean being lynched.
Then comes the change. I change from Preet to Salvo and it becomes Salvo 6, Preet 5, Adonis 5. Was I trying to save Preet with this vote? Why did I put her in danger in first place then?
Then the seemingly decisive votes comes - Soren changes from Preet to Salvo and makes it Salvo 7, Adonis 5, Preet 4. Preet is save now, but Adonis isn't. In order to save his ass, he changes from Preet to Salvo too and makes it Salvo 8, Adonis 5, Preet 3
And then Soren makes another strange vote. He changes from Salvo to Adonis, putting Adonis back in danger because he makes it Salvo 7, Adonis 6, Preet 3. One more change from Salvo to Adonis and the guy is dead.
The voting was closed after this.
So tell me, except for Adonis trying to save his ass, who was trying to save anyone here?
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Actually, if this voting pattern shows anything at all, it's that Soren was totally indifferent towards the three players who risked being lynched. He started the Preet voting some 15 minutes before deadline, he gave what would have been a decisive vote for Salvo, and then he changed again to Adonis and put the latter in huge danger to be lynched with a last second switch from Salvo to Adonis.
That's something that only a G who knew that all three were Cs would do, or a C who had no idea what are their roles.
It's hard to accept that a G would incriminate himself like that, so my opinion is that he's a C that didn't know their roles and didn't really care which one of them dies.
14 minutes before deadline Kate posted the votes. Salvo had 5 votes, while Preet and Adonis had 4. All were in danger.
The first one who voted after that was Adonis. Strangely enough, instead of giving the 6th vote to Salvo, he gave the 5th vote to Preet. After that it was Salvo 5, Preet 5, Adonis 4.
I come next, 10 minutes before deadline. I vote Preet too and now it's Preet 6, Salvo 5, Adonis 4.
Then comes Sheik with an Adonis vote and makes it Preet 6, Adonis 5, Salvo 5.
Now each and every one of them is in a pretty bad position. One change of vote might mean being lynched.
Then comes the change. I change from Preet to Salvo and it becomes Salvo 6, Preet 5, Adonis 5. Was I trying to save Preet with this vote? Why did I put her in danger in first place then?
Then the seemingly decisive votes comes - Soren changes from Preet to Salvo and makes it Salvo 7, Adonis 5, Preet 4. Preet is save now, but Adonis isn't. In order to save his ass, he changes from Preet to Salvo too and makes it Salvo 8, Adonis 5, Preet 3
And then Soren makes another strange vote. He changes from Salvo to Adonis, putting Adonis back in danger because he makes it Salvo 7, Adonis 6, Preet 3. One more change from Salvo to Adonis and the guy is dead.
The voting was closed after this.
So tell me, except for Adonis trying to save his ass, who was trying to save anyone here?
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Actually, if this voting pattern shows anything at all, it's that Soren was totally indifferent towards the three players who risked being lynched. He started the Preet voting some 15 minutes before deadline, he gave what would have been a decisive vote for Salvo, and then he changed again to Adonis and put the latter in huge danger to be lynched with a last second switch from Salvo to Adonis.
That's something that only a G who knew that all three were Cs would do, or a C who had no idea what are their roles.
It's hard to accept that a G would incriminate himself like that, so my opinion is that he's a C that didn't know their roles and didn't really care which one of them dies.
Y'all niggas is stupid that's all I'm saying. No one really had anything on me bar weak arguments. The pm thing was explained yet everyone decided to ignore that and give Preet a chance for no reason. Now look at who jumped ship or put in subtle votes for me. I intentionally went into this one to have fun and create some drama, obviously a bad choice 
. It was so clear I was a C, you lost Osman as well so maybe we were onto something. Alen has to be looked at by the D.
. It was so clear I was a C, you lost Osman as well so maybe we were onto something. Alen has to be looked at by the D.Well, there's still the possibility of you trying to save Preet while trying not to be too obvious about it. You, of all people, not having read Preets explanation for the PM seems a little bit convenient, and gives a reason for changing your opinion afterwards. Especially since I personally thought that, while probably very good given the circumstances, Preets explanation didn't fully satisfy me personally, and I was surprised to see you, normally questioning pretty much everything, would seemingly believe it without any further scepticism, and make it the basis of changing your vote.
Also, the little superficial conflicts between you and Preet atfter the lynching was over seem a little artificial to me, perhaps manufactured to distract from you two being in the same team.
Anyways, nothing of this is of course any legitimate ground for any well founded accusation, but, as always, I'm just trying to put as much out there as possible.
My most probable picks for Gs at this point remain Tomice, Adonis and Preet.
Perhaps Radekas, still due to him playing a bit too dumb at the beginning, but since then he's been rather unsuspicious.
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True, though if he really didn't care, why change your votes at all? It was clear that one of those three would end up lynched anyways, so why not just sit back and wait if you're really indifferent.
I didn't believe her. Her explanation was just as thin as Salvo's. I just had to decide between her, Voller and Salvo. At first I voted for her because I didn't see her explanation and I found it strange that she isn't even trying to defend her actions. I thought the Gs agreed that they fucked up with the PM and they shouldn't bother defend themselves. Instead they wanted to protect the uninvolved ones and sacrifice the idiots who replied to fake Voller. After I got the explanation, I had to decide quickly who to choose.
Frankly, I chose Salvo mostly because I think he's harder to read. He's naive and he makes the same mistakes both as a G and as a C. The last time as a G he was caught on day 1, but he managed to save himself with his innocent and confused boy posts. This time as a C he put himself in trouble again. I thought Preet will be easier to catch later so I went for Salvo. Voller was safe so it would have been futile to vote for him.
Frankly, I chose Salvo mostly because I think he's harder to read. He's naive and he makes the same mistakes both as a G and as a C. The last time as a G he was caught on day 1, but he managed to save himself with his innocent and confused boy posts. This time as a C he put himself in trouble again. I thought Preet will be easier to catch later so I went for Salvo. Voller was safe so it would have been futile to vote for him.
IIRC, you started getting votes even before the PM thing (I'll check when and how). The PM shit only made you even more suspicious. Frankly, you only got yourself to blame. On day 1 the Cs vote for those who act nervous and do something unusual. You were the one who did it and you got the votes. Most probably the majority, or maybe all of your votes were from Cs. Maximum 1 or 2 Gs voted for you.
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Yup Salvo, you got yourself in trouble long before the PM thing.
You started asking random questions like "How can I check who's online" "When does the voting end" etc. That got you two votes from Zach and Adonis. Then Soren says how you're acting stupid again and votes for you. You say you're just trying to spice things up. Fred comes and says that your silly questions make you suspicious in his eyes. He votes for you.
Even fuckin Sheik tells you "Don't act dumb Salvo!".
Suddenly everyone decides to change their votes and you end up with zero votes against you.
Just when you were safe, ILiveForJuve photoshops a photo of you sending private messages and everyone jumps on your ass again.
You actually say that you were indeed PMing, before ILFJ admitted that he photoshopped that thing.
But that was enough to make you #1 suspect. On top of it, Osman goes all gun blazing on your ass with post #376.
If that wasn't enough, you made sure to die by actually replying to fake Voller's PM.
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Yup Salvo, you got yourself in trouble long before the PM thing.
You started asking random questions like "How can I check who's online" "When does the voting end" etc. That got you two votes from Zach and Adonis. Then Soren says how you're acting stupid again and votes for you. You say you're just trying to spice things up. Fred comes and says that your silly questions make you suspicious in his eyes. He votes for you.
Even fuckin Sheik tells you "Don't act dumb Salvo!".
Suddenly everyone decides to change their votes and you end up with zero votes against you.
Just when you were safe, ILiveForJuve photoshops a photo of you sending private messages and everyone jumps on your ass again.
You actually say that you were indeed PMing, before ILFJ admitted that he photoshopped that thing.
But that was enough to make you #1 suspect. On top of it, Osman goes all gun blazing on your ass with post #376.
If that wasn't enough, you made sure to die by actually replying to fake Voller's PM.
You all jumped on a weak logic. Do you know how hard it is to calculate when voting ends? I live in Australia. I said Adonis pmed me, I had no reason to lie you dinguses.... I'm going to ban everyone who voted for me.
I said Adonis pmed me, I had no reason to lie you dinguses.... I'm going to ban everyone who voted for me.
I agree that those questions of yours weren't suspicious at all, but some found them suspicious, especially after what happened in the last game.
And later everyone forgot you and changed their votes from you to others, but ILFJ put you back in the spotlight with that fake photo of you private messaging. And when he admitted that it's fake and threw you a rope, you fucked up again by replying to the fake Voller PM in such a suspicious manner.
All day long folks were finding you suspicious for various reasons. You only made it worse by trying to defend yourself.
Sheik died billion times in the same manner and he was always a C. You didn't learn from his mistakes