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Only Maddy did that if I'm not wrong.

People voted me because Ocelot asked them to. And his arguments had nothing to do with that.

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You are just mad that you are so stupid in this game :D
Ocelot probably voted for you because Fred told him he was suspicious of you. You shouldn't have been so suss.
 

Völler

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May 6, 2012
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You are just mad that you are so stupid in this game :D
It baffles me. :agree:

Look at him and Salvo:
Well not really. Obviously Ocelot investigated Fredski and then Klin found that out.
Ocelot's the BG. I got what you mean tho. That could be it.
Sorry I meant. Fred investigated klin and Klin found out. :D.
How could Klin find that out?
Wasn't klin the cc?
No he was the recruiter. Matt was the CC and he died yesterday.
 
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Ragazza

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    It baffles me. :agree:

    Look at him and Salvo:











    Shit, I'd forgot about that exchange. The way ALC agreed with Salvo so easily when he fucked up who was which role, when it was a clear blunder. Even I picked up on it.
     

    piotrr

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    The scenarios are always a little different. We can analyse the one that happened in this game:

    Before the whacking of the D there were 11 or 12 Cs and 3 or 4 Gs (including recruiter).
    For the Gs it was obvious that Ocelot (BG), king Ale (was in jail), and X (was in jail so was unable to cooperate with Ocelot/can be a G) were not the D. So unless Fred made it obvious that he's the D (i wasn't reading all the posts after my death) the chances of whacking the D were 1/8 or 1/9 or 1/10. I thought about it before the deadline on that day and i would do the same thing as Ocelot. The chances of whacking the D were still slim and he couldn't know that the Gs figured Fred out. I would protect the D once the chances would drop to like 1/6.

    Now you guys are saying that BG should always protect the D. I would propably agree with this until i played in the same G team as Alen. In this game the D was long gone, and X was the BG. X knew who the jailer was (me), he didn't know that i was a recruitee though. All in all there was no reason at all for the X to protect someone else than himself. Guess what? One day Alen wanted to try and whack X. :D Me and @Fred voted for the safe way and killed some C instead. After the game X confessed that one day he protected me :)lol:) instead of himself. Not the same day Alen wanted to whack him though afaik. :D
    This shows that even if the D is still undercover and BG's identity is revealed there are risk takers in the G team that will consider going after a confirmed BG that by the logic will protect only himself.

    If Ocelot would have died, Fred would still be undercover and let's say he would have 2-3 investigations left. He would struggle to inform the Cs about them though.
    This game is extremely special cause we lynched a recruiter straight after the Crooked Cop. In such scenario the D that is alive and still running would be priceless.

    For the normal C it's very important to have a clear leader in immortal BG for the rest of the game though. :D All in all every decision has it's own pro and cons.

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    Ragazza

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    Yeah, I think all in all Ocelot made the right choice and if it was me instead of him I probably would have done the same. Also, if Ocelot had protected Fred when they tried to whack him, it would pretty much have given away that he was the D. Granted, it would still be a gamble each day for the G's to decide which one Ocelot protects out of Fred and himself. And that's where (I think) Hoori's theory comes in, though I'm still not sure I understand it. :p
     

    king Ale

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    The scenarios are always a little different. We can analyse the one that happened in this game:

    Before the whacking of the D there were 11 or 12 Cs and 3 or 4 Gs (including recruiter).
    For the Gs it was obvious that Ocelot (BG), king Ale (was in jail), and X (was in jail so was unable to cooperate with Ocelot/can be a G) were not the D. So unless Fred made it obvious that he's the D (i wasn't reading all the posts after my death) the chances of whacking the D were 1/8 or 1/9 or 1/10. I thought about it before the deadline on that day and i would do the same thing as Ocelot. The chances of whacking the D were still slim and he couldn't know that the Gs figured Fred out. I would protect the D once the chances would drop to like 1/6.

    Now you guys are saying that BG should always protect the D. I would propably agree with this until i played in the same G team as Alen. In this game the D was long gone, and X was the BG. X knew who the jailer was (me), he didn't know that i was a recruitee though. All in all there was no reason at all for the X to protect someone else than himself. Guess what? One day Alen wanted to try and whack X. :D Me and @Fred voted for the safe way and killed some C instead. After the game X confessed that one day he protected me :)lol:) instead of himself. Not the same day Alen wanted to whack him though afaik. :D
    This shows that even if the D is still undercover and BG's identity is revealed there are risk takers in the G team that will consider going after a confirmed BG that by the logic will protect only himself.

    If Ocelot would have died, Fred would still be undercover and let's say he would have 2-3 investigations left. He would struggle to inform the Cs about them though.
    This game is extremely special cause we lynched a recruiter straight after the Crooked Cop. In such scenario the D that is alive and still running would be priceless.

    For the normal C it's very important to have a clear leader in immortal BG for the rest of the game though. :D All in all every decision has it's own pro and cons.

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    I'm not saying the BG should always protect the detective. But Cs are considerably better off when the D is protected, even if it means the BG's whack. Fred would have had two more days of investigation without remaining undercover (a little optimistic though because I'm assuming that the jailer is not recruited and can protect the detective). And even for that to happen it would have taken so much courage from the Gs side to go after the BG instead of playing it safe and killing a regular.
     
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    Ragazza

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    I thought the D wouldn't be able to use his powers if he's in jail though. So wouldn't it only be one day max (the investigation from the night before he was jailed)?
     

    Völler

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    May 6, 2012
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    The scenarios are always a little different. We can analyse the one that happened in this game:

    Before the whacking of the D there were 11 or 12 Cs and 3 or 4 Gs (including recruiter).
    For the Gs it was obvious that Ocelot (BG), king Ale (was in jail), and X (was in jail so was unable to cooperate with Ocelot/can be a G) were not the D. So unless Fred made it obvious that he's the D (i wasn't reading all the posts after my death) the chances of whacking the D were 1/8 or 1/9 or 1/10. I thought about it before the deadline on that day and i would do the same thing as Ocelot. The chances of whacking the D were still slim and he couldn't know that the Gs figured Fred out. I would protect the D once the chances would drop to like 1/6.

    Now you guys are saying that BG should always protect the D. I would propably agree with this until i played in the same G team as Alen. In this game the D was long gone, and X was the BG. X knew who the jailer was (me), he didn't know that i was a recruitee though. All in all there was no reason at all for the X to protect someone else than himself. Guess what? One day Alen wanted to try and whack X. :D Me and @Fred voted for the safe way and killed some C instead. After the game X confessed that one day he protected me :)lol:) instead of himself. Not the same day Alen wanted to whack him though afaik. :D
    This shows that even if the D is still undercover and BG's identity is revealed there are risk takers in the G team that will consider going after a confirmed BG that by the logic will protect only himself.

    If Ocelot would have died, Fred would still be undercover and let's say he would have 2-3 investigations left. He would struggle to inform the Cs about them though.
    This game is extremely special cause we lynched a recruiter straight after the Crooked Cop. In such scenario the D that is alive and still running would be priceless.

    For the normal C it's very important to have a clear leader in immortal BG for the rest of the game though. :D All in all every decision has it's own pro and cons.

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    I would agree with this if it wasn't for one thing. Klin was the one getting lynched the day Fred got whacked, and knowing Klin I'm sure his final wish was to get Fred killed. Also, Fred being a pretty likely whack target in general also speaks against him being unprotected. However, had the D been a more unknown player, there's no doubt in my mind that Ocelot should have protected himself.
     

    king Ale

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    I thought the D wouldn't be able to use his powers if he's in jail though. So wouldn't it only be one day max (the investigation from the night before he was jailed)?
    I'm not sure about the rules but I think he can send his request before going to the jail and get the result after he's freed. Not sure though.
     

    piotrr

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    I would agree with this if it wasn't for one thing. Klin was the one getting lynched the day Fred got whacked, and knowing Klin I'm sure his final wish was to get Fred killed. Also, Fred being a pretty likely whack target in general also speaks against him being unprotected. However, had the D been a more unknown player, there's no doubt in my mind that Ocelot should have protected himself.
    Agreed, good point.

    I'm not sure about the rules but I think he can send his request before going to the jail and get the result after he's freed. Not sure though.
    I don't think so. Once a person is in jail their abilities don't work. Just like BG can't protect anyone while being in jail.
     

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