Mafia 2015.2 - The Game (4 Viewers)

[king Ale]

If you don't think the PM shows that j0ker is a C, then I assume you would have preferred not to autolynch j0ker and just continue with the voting as if nothing happened?

No because what Joker did was against the rules so the autolynch decision was spot on.

The current rules make it possible for the G's to basically win no matter what. If they're about to lose a player, that person just posts the PM and autolynch himself one minute before deadline. That way a C with the second most votes will get lynched.

There might not be something in the rules that prevent anyone from autolynching as a strategy, but it's obvious that the rule wasn't made for that purpose. It shouldn't be necessary to make rules for obvious cheating like this even if it might qualify as a loophole.

No again, because here you are assuming that the member with the second most votes is definitely a G while in fact there i a greater chance of him/her being a C. It can never be a strategy.

 

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[Völler]

No again, because here you are assuming that the member with the second most votes is definitely a G while in fact there i a greater chance of him/her being a C. It can never be a strategy.

I'm saying that if a G is ever close to getting lynched, he can make sure a C dies with him (unless two G's have the most votes, but that's unlikely).

 

[j0ker]

No because what Joker did was against the rules so the autolynch decision was spot on.



No again, because here you are assuming that the member with the second most votes is definitely a G while in fact there i a greater chance of him/her being a C. It can never be a strategy.

It is a strategy if the G do it, they know what role the second player on the list has.

 

[j0ker]

I'm saying that if a G is ever close to getting lynched, he can make sure a C dies with him (unless two G's have the most votes, but that's unlikely).

 

[king Ale]

What if a G had done the same thing?

That's a great point. I don't know. Now it can indeed be a strategy for Gs to use because they are in the know. I think what should be done is that after "any" auto-lynch the narrator has to extend the deadline for at least a couple of hours.

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It is a strategy if the G do it, they know what role the second player on the list has.

True. We should change the rule so that it cannot be exploited as a strategy by the Gs. Still, only because you were a C, I'd have continued the game if I had been a G.

 

[Ocelot]

It is a strategy if the G do it, they know what role the second player on the list has.

This.

Like fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. How do I explain this? But the bigger fear before that was Ocelot simply asking X if he was the jailer. Lol, thought of it right as I hit send to Ocelot.


I picked Hoori cuz I thought it was bold enough to maybe be believed as opposed to if I said 89man or something.

I knew my lie would be exposed but I hoped I could buy one more day of life, since Ocelot would have no way to tell who was telling the truth between me and the real D. But then X got jailed.

Well, to be honest I would have gotten very suspicious of you as well once Fred told me that you were the CC (you had a motive to lie, you were gone anyways), and piotrr, the real jailor, contacted me, suggesting that you lied on that front. Though X's jailing was not only a suggestion, but a downright confirmation
Btw, you should have just said you investigated a C. But that was probably due to stress I guess, you had like 30 minutes in between deadline and contacting me.

Ocelot started asking if the jailer could jail them self and I knew what you'd been telling him! Surprised it took so long to come out in the thread

That was a similar thing as with Klin the next day, I knew that once I exposed Quetz/ordered to go for Klin, discussion would be over. I wanted to see what people were posting beforehand, and give the Gs less time to respond.
Plus, I was super busy the last few days, so I couldn't have done it before ~19:00 anyways. Handled the PM thing over the phone, but didn't think it wise to do anything else through that way.

 

[Völler]

That's a great point. I don't know. Now it can indeed be a strategy for Gs to use because they are in the know. I think what should be done is that after "any" auto-lynch the narrator has to extend the deadline for at least a couple of hours.

I don't like the idea of extending the deadline since it's not sure the narrator or the other members is able to be online at that time. It could become an advantage for one of the teams. Canceling the voting if the person who autolynches has more than 2 votes, as Ocelot suggested, seems like a better idea.

 

[Ocelot]

That's a great point. I don't know. Now it can indeed be a strategy for Gs to use because they are in the know. I think what should be done is that after "any" auto-lynch the narrator has to extend the deadline for at least a couple of hours.

I'd say one hour is enough honestly. And that this only applies if the autolynch happens in the last hour before deadline.

 

[king Ale]

I don't like the idea of extending the deadline since it's not sure the narrator or the other members is able to be online at that time. It could become an advantage for one of the teams. Canceling the voting if the person who autolynches has more than 2 votes, as Ocelot suggested, seems like a better idea.

a no-lynch following an auto-lynch

Thank you j0ker for letting us know about one big ass loophole in the game

 

[Ragazza]

I don't like the idea of extending the deadline since it's not sure the narrator or the other members is able to be online at that time. It could become an advantage for one of the teams. Canceling the voting if the person who autolynches has more than 2 votes, as Ocelot suggested, seems like a better idea.

Yeah, I agree. Especially if I ever narrate again, since my deadline is late enough for several people already.

 

[j0ker]

True. We should change the rule so that it cannot be exploited as a strategy by the Gs. Still, only because you were a C, I'd have continued the game if I had been a G.

Well the Gs had every reason to be mad.

After my autolynch I still had the most votes so X shouldn't have been lynched, but yeah Ford can't be blamed for this, rules are not clear enough.

As Voller said I explored a loophole.

 

[piotrr]

In my opinion there shouldn't be any extending of the deadline. If the person decides to autolynch and at the same time has most votes = voting's over.

 

[j0ker]

In my opinion there shouldn't be any extending of the deadline. If the person decides to autolynch and at the same time has most votes = voting's over.

 

[Ocelot]

In my opinion there shouldn't be any extending the deadline. If the person decides to autolynch and at the same time has most votes = voting's over.

I would extend it to any person who has more than 2 votes or something, or perhaps is among the three persons with the highest number of votes, but yeah.

 

[radekas]

I can't believe people are trying to justify this shit .

There's nothing to debate here. j0ker acted like a bitch and 100% against the spirit of the game. No other person have ever thought about doing this shit and the reason is because it's blatant cheating which most people don't do. Personally I don't intend to ever play this game again if acts like that will be considered a "strategy" or any type of actual gameplay. They are not.

 

[Völler]

I can't believe people are trying to justify this shit .

There's nothing to debate here. j0ker acted like a bitch and 100% against the spirit of the game. No other person have ever thought about doing this shit and the reason is because it's blatant cheating which most people don't do. Personally I don't intend to ever play this game again if acts like that will be considered a "strategy" or any type of actual gameplay. They are not.

I agree 100%. j0ker should never be allowed to play again.

 

[radekas]

I agree 100%. j0ker should never be allowed to play again.

indeed

 

[piotrr]

I would extend it to any person who has more than 2 votes or something, or perhaps is among the three persons with the highest number of votes, but yeah.

Hm maybe if autolynch happens in the last 30mins before the deadline then?

 

[j0ker]

I agree 100%. j0ker should never be allowed to play again.

indeed

Someone is butthurt.

It's not my fault the rules are not clear and even I am saying that X shouldn't have been lynched.

 

[king Ale]

I can't believe people are trying to justify this shit .

There's nothing to debate here. j0ker acted like a bitch and 100% against the spirit of the game. No other person have ever thought about doing this shit and the reason is because it's blatant cheating which most people don't do. Personally I don't intend to ever play this game again if acts like that will be considered a "strategy" or any type of actual gameplay. They are not.

Only Gs can use it as a strategy. There is no way for joker to know for sure that X is a G. I totally understand your frustration but it could have been the other way around (X might have been a C) and Cs would have lost two members. It was a very sad move by joker but the only reason why we need a new rule regarding this is the likelihood of Gs using it as a strategy.