Mafia 2015.2 - The Game (4 Viewers)

[Maddy]

Never at one point did i think you were a g btw, you were never a suspect of ours even when you voted for me after ocelot asked you guys to vote for matt, it was just necessary to have someone as a front while i investigated other people

One of the major reasons we knew you were the D.

The attack on Søren made no sense.

 

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[Hængebøffer]

Never at one point did i think you were a g btw, you were never a suspect of ours even when you voted for me after ocelot asked you guys to vote for matt, it was just necessary to have someone as a front while i investigated other people

No one ever does really

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What was your reaction when i jailed X ?

Like fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. How do I explain this? But the bigger fear before that was Ocelot simply asking X if he was the jailer. Lol, thought of it right as I hit send to Ocelot.

I was sure it was something you thought of. Epsecially after Hoori's weird behaviour.

I picked Hoori cuz I thought it was bold enough to maybe be believed as opposed to if I said 89man or something.

I knew my lie would be exposed but I hoped I could buy one more day of life, since Ocelot would have no way to tell who was telling the truth between me and the real D. But then X got jailed.

 

[piotrr]

Like fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. How do I explain this? But the bigger fear before that was Ocelot simply asking X if he was the jailer. Lol, thought of it right as I hit send to Ocelot.

X would deny it of course, but you could still claim that he's the J and got recruited.
On that day i returned home at 14:55 and remembered that there's a jailing deadline in 5mins.

 

[radekas]

Like fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. How do I explain this? But the bigger fear before that was Ocelot simply asking X if he was the jailer. Lol, thought of it right as I hit send to Ocelot.

yeh that pm was a terrible idea , we knew Matt is gone as soon as he told us about it

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What was your reaction when i jailed X ?

X would deny it of course, but you could still claim that he's the J and got recruited.
On that day i returned home at 14:55 and remembered that there's a jailing deadline in 5mins.

yeh that pm was a terrible idea , we knew Matt is gone as soon as he told us about it

I had no choice! The BG would've been told that I was investigated by the D. The only thing I could've done differently was say the person I investigated was a G. But at the time I thought it was too likely a story.

 

[king Ale]

Oh yeah @Fred @Alen @piotrr @king Ale

Shut the fuck up next time!

What happened?

 

[Tevez10]

Sorry guys i have been busy with preparing for a big demonstration tomorrow. Wish me luck.

 

[Völler]

What happened?

1) j0ker, who had the majority of votes, decides to post the PM from Ford Prefect revealing his role two minutes before deadline.
2) j0ker gets autolynched, and Ford Prefect decides to lynch X, the person with second most votes.
3) People complain and the G's give up.
4) Maddy mentions a bunch of people who were talking about the game while it was still going on.

 

[king Ale]

1) j0ker, who had the majority of votes, decides to post the PM from Ford Prefect revealing his role two minutes before deadline.
2) j0ker gets autolynched, and Ford Prefect decides to lynch X, the person with second most votes.
3) People complain and the G's give up.
4) Maddy mentions a bunch of people who were talking about the game while it was still going on.

1) j0ker can do whatever he wants. And he gets what he deserved.
2) Ford definitely made the right decision.
3) Why? Ford did the right thing.
4) How are talks of who the BG should protect affecting this game?

 

[piotrr]

@king Ale why you never responded to my PM?

 

[Völler]

1) j0ker can do whatever he wants. And he gets what he deserved.
2) Ford definitely made the right decision.
3) Why? Ford did the right thing.
4) How are talks of who the BG should protect affecting this game?

1) So you think it's fine that he posted the PM?
2) You really think so? Since j0ker would have been lynched two minutes later had he not pulled that shit, I think the only fair thing would have been not to lynch anyone else.
3) Because the G's lost a player because of j0ker's shitty stunt. It shouldn't be possible to use the PM to autolynch yourself as a strategy. Imagine if Klin had autolynched himself yesterday two minutes before deadline.
4) I think he's referring to specific posts on the current game. Dunno if you were in on that.

 

[king Ale]

@king Ale why you never responded to my PM?

That you would jail me? I wanted to respond but I forgot and when I remembered it was going to be too suspicious of me to respond

I'd say you were the best C in this game and whoever figured Fred out was an amazing G. Radekas was also great.

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1) So you think it's fine that he posted the PM?
2) You really think so? Since j0ker would have been lynched two minutes later had he not pulled that shit, I think the only fair thing would have been not to lynch anyone else.
3) Because the G's lost a player because of j0ker's shitty stunt. It shouldn't be possible to use the PM to autolynch yourself as a strategy. Imagine if Klin had autolynched himself yesterday two minutes before deadline.
4) I think he's referring to specific posts on the current game. Dunno if you were in on that.

Rules are clear. If you show the pm you get autolynched. I'm not saying he did the "right" thing, I'm saying he pulled a stunt for which there is a clear rule. He knew it and he still did it, he got autolynched then. If it had happened two hours before the deadline, we would have still had a lynch so it was up to Jasper to make a decision (he could have canceled the voting and it would have been fine but I'd have made the same decision). Besides, that pm doesn't even show that Joker is a C. He might have been recruited still. If X was a C (the person with the second most votes) and Jasper had killed both of them, nobody should have complained. I'm sure Gs wouldn't have complained either

I read the posts all over again. If I hadn't already known about Gs, I'd have definitely killed Ragazza

In all honesty, I think they have a point about that. I didn't mean to affect this game so I'm really sorry if it did indeed expose Gs. Never was my intention and I'm serious.

 

[piotrr]

It was too suspicious for me that you didn't respond at all. Nah i didn't really contribute to the G hunt, Fred and Ocelot did a great job. At least my jailings were spot on (Ocelot wanted to protect you on the first day ).

 

[Ragazza]

The reason the decision is so controversial is because it was done so close to deadline, there's no way the G's would have had enough time to change their vote to try to save X. If it had been done earlier today, it would have been more straightforward, to autolynch j0ker AND lynch another player. But his stunt was unfair to one side of the game, even though by the book Sam made the right choice (if a player reveals his role, he's out, but someone else still gets lynched that day, much like what happened with Fr3sh).

The modification to the rule should go something like this: If you cheat in any way, whether it's to gain an advantage or to get yourself purposely autolynched because you're bored or butthurt or whatever, it's an auto-ban from this game and all subsequent games unless a certain number of people vote to let you back in. Stricter approach will discourage people from pulling shit like that.

And cheating includes revealing your role through posting the PM screenshot, giving out your password, making double accounts to get info or trick people, etc.

 

[j0ker]

1) So you think it's fine that he posted the PM?
2) You really think so? Since j0ker would have been lynched two minutes later had he not pulled that shit, I think the only fair thing would have been not to lynch anyone else.
3) Because the G's lost a player because of j0ker's shitty stunt. It shouldn't be possible to use the PM to autolynch yourself as a strategy. Imagine if Klin had autolynched himself yesterday two minutes before deadline.
4) I think he's referring to specific posts on the current game. Dunno if you were in on that.

I did it to save my team, and yes I know it's a shitty stunt but it's not my fault that the rules are not defined.

And TBH, I didn't expect to be removed from the voting list altogether, I actually thought the Cs would change the votes to X in the last minute and lynch him but it turned even better.

 

[j0ker]

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Rules are clear. If you show the pm you get autolynched. I'm not saying he did the "right" thing, I'm saying he pulled a stunt for which there is a clear rule. He knew it and he still did it, he got autolynched then. If it had happened two hours before the deadline, we would have still had a lynch so it was up to Jasper to make a decision (he could have canceled the voting and it would have been fine but I'd have made the same decision). Besides, that pm doesn't even show that Joker is a C. He might have been recruited still. If X was a C (the person with the second most votes) and Jasper had killed both of them, nobody should have complained. I'm sure Gs wouldn't have complained either

If someone decides to autolynch the narrator should tell his role imediately and keep the game as it is, even after my autolynch X shouldn't have been lynched. It's up to players to decide if they want to keep the votes on that player or move on to others, otherwise it isn't fair at all.

Klin autolynching for example, Fred would be lynched as 2nd and the Gs would still get another whack as a bonus.

 

[Völler]

Rules are clear. If you show the pm you get autolynched. I'm not saying he did the "right" thing, I'm saying he pulled a stunt for which there is a clear rule. He knew it and he still did it, he got autolynched then. If it had happened two hours before the deadline, we would have still had a lynch so it was up to Jasper to make a decision (he could have canceled the voting and it would have been fine but I'd have made the same decision). Besides, that pm doesn't even show that Joker is a C. He might have been recruited still. If X was a C (the person with the second most votes) and Jasper had killed both of them, nobody should have complained. I'm sure Gs wouldn't have complained either

If you don't think the PM shows that j0ker is a C, then I assume you would have preferred not to autolynch j0ker and just continue with the voting as if nothing happened?

The current rules make it possible for the G's to basically win no matter what. If they're about to lose a player, that person just posts the PM and autolynch himself one minute before deadline. That way a C with the second most votes will get lynched.

There might not be something in the rules that prevent anyone from autolynching as a strategy, but it's obvious that the rule wasn't made for that purpose. It shouldn't be necessary to make rules for obvious cheating like this even if it might qualify as a loophole.

 

[king Ale]

The reason the decision is so controversial is because it was done so close to deadline, there's no way the G's would have had enough time to change their vote to try to save X. If it had been done earlier today, it would have been more straightforward, to autolynch j0ker AND lynch another player. But his stunt was unfair to one side of the game, even though by the book Sam made the right choice (if a player reveals his role, he's out, but someone else still gets lynched that day, much like what happened with Fr3sh).

The modification to the rule should go something like this: If you cheat in any way, whether it's to gain an advantage or to get yourself purposely autolynched because you're bored or butthurt or whatever, it's an auto-ban from this game and all subsequent games unless a certain number of people vote to let you back in. Stricter approach will discourage people from pulling shit like that.

And cheating includes revealing your role through posting the PM screenshot, giving out your password, making double accounts to get info, etc.

You are right (about making the rule stricter) but it was still the only thing Jasper could have done and I think he did the right thing. As I said, if X had been a C same thing would have happened and Cs would have lost two members. I doubt even Joker knew for sure that X is a G. It would have been unfair if it had been destined to help one particular group but it did actually have a greater chance of killing two Cs rather than one C and one G.

 

[Völler]

You are right (about making the rule stricter) but it was still the only thing Jasper could have done and I think he did the right thing. As I said, if X had been a C same thing would have happened and Cs would have lost two members. I doubt even Joker knew for sure that X is a G. It would have been unfair if it had been destined to help one particular group but it did actually have a greater chance of killing two Cs rather than one C and one G.

What if a G had done the same thing?