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[Martin]

Majed, I'm thinking of buying a beat up old G3 or similar on the cheap just to mess around with it, whatcha think about that?

Btw apple is lamo for not building their X server on x11, if you wanna run x11 apps you gotta run xorg on the side, how lame is that.

 

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[Majed]

Majed, I'm thinking of buying a beat up old G3 or similar on the cheap just to mess around with it, whatcha think about that?

Btw apple is lamo for not building their X server on x11, if you wanna run x11 apps you gotta run xorg on the side, how lame is that.

I guess that would be ok, but it may be more interesting to get your hands on one with Intel guts. But i guess it will be a while till the new hw become "old" and "beat up"

I'm waiting for the Mac Pro to be released. I can just picture it. A monster Desktop where i can installl 4 OSes (OSX, Ubuntu, Solaris, and Vista) just for the fun of it

What do you mean "not building their x server on x11?" Apple X11 runs x11 apps just fine. I don't see where xorg comes into this.

 

[Martin]

I guess that would be ok, but it may be more interesting to get your hands on one with Intel guts. But i guess it will be a while till the new hw become "old" and "beat up"

I might find an ibook on ebay for about €200. If you can hook me up with a MacBook for that amount, I won't say no.

I'm waiting for the Mac Pro to be released. I can just picture it. A monster Desktop where i can installl 4 OSes (OSX, Ubuntu, Solaris, and Vista) just for the fun of it

Pardon, but why the *bleep* would you want to install Solaris? It sucks Maybe once OpenSolaris has had some time to bring the OS into the 21st century, but meanwhile it looks (and feels) like an ancient product.

What do you mean "not building their x server on x11?" Apple X11 runs x11 apps just fine. I don't see where xorg comes into this.

Say you want to run gaim right. You can get it via fink. gtk won't run natively in OSX (there is a port underway), you have to run it on xorg. Which means you run xorg or xfree or apple's x11 rootless as they say (ie. not as a separate server, but in the same desktop space) and run gaim, which will be drawn by xorg. And that adds an overhead of about 120mb of memory to your desktop session. *not impressed*

 

[Majed]

I might find an ibook on ebay for about €200. If you can hook me up with a MacBook for that amount, I won't say no.

G3 for 200 Euros. I say, go for it. Having an Old Mac is better than having no MAC at all

Pardon, but why the *bleep* would you want to install Solaris? It sucks Maybe once OpenSolaris has had some time to bring the OS into the 21st century, but meanwhile it looks (and feels) like an ancient product.

Actually, I'd like to get more familiar with its internals just to play around with. Most of the servers in my Department at work run Solaris.

Say you want to run gaim right. You can get it via fink. gtk won't run natively in OSX (there is a port underway), you have to run it on xorg. Which means you run xorg or xfree or apple's x11 rootless as they say (ie. not as a separate server, but in the same desktop space) and run gaim, which will be drawn by xorg. And that adds an overhead of about 120mb of memory to your desktop session. *not impressed*

They purposely kept that as a hassle. Everyone knows that X11 is overrated.
The whole world will only need Aqua in the next few years when apple dominate the world. The signs are starting... The likes of Burke own a MAC!

On a more serious note, GIMP does take up a lot of memory. Thankfully, i'm not on apple's retail memory configuration!

 

[Martin]

G3 for 200 Euros. I say, go for it. Having an Old Mac is better than having no MAC at all

That remains to be seen

Actually, I'd like to get more familiar with its internals just to play around with. Most of the servers in my Department at work run Solaris.

Server is one thing, but Solaris desktop isn't much to cry hurrah about. I found the shell environment very crippling though, really put me off the whole thing. Another thing was tonne upon tonne of documentation yet when you follow it to the letter, sometimes it doesn't work anyway. Don't even remember what I was trying to do, was something related to mounting /home dirs.

They purposely kept that as a hassle. Everyone knows that X11 is overrated.
The whole world will only need Aqua in the next few years when apple dominate the world. The signs are starting... The likes of Burke own a MAC!

Speaking of aqua, is there some way to change the ghastly look? Is there a theme change dialog somewhere? I can't stand that we-target-children-and-grandmas look of the desktop.

On a more serious note, GIMP does take up a lot of memory. Thankfully, i'm not on apple's retail memory configuration!

That's probably largely the undo buffer, which you can configure yourself (as in Photoshop).

 

[Majed]

That remains to be seen

Server is one thing, but Solaris desktop isn't much to cry hurrah about. I found the shell environment very crippling though, really put me off the whole thing. Another thing was tonne upon tonne of documentation yet when you follow it to the letter, sometimes it doesn't work anyway. Don't even remember what I was trying to do, was something related to mounting /home dirs.

Yeah, I recall you weren't too impressed.

Speaking of aqua, is there some way to change the ghastly look? Is there a theme change dialog somewhere? I can't stand that we-target-children-and-grandmas look of the desktop.

Back to this discussion again, huh?!
The standard options for changing the themes are limited. I (like most people) think it's simple, classy, yet 21st century. The default Gnome or KDE themes actually look more "childish" if you will. The icons seem "cartoony." Of course, all of this can be changed with other SW/tools, though obviously more flexible with Linux.

That's probably largely the undo buffer, which you can configure yourself (as in Photoshop).

I miss MS Paint

 

[Martin]

Back to this discussion again, huh?!
The standard options for changing the themes are limited. I (like most people) think it's simple, classy, yet 21st century. The default Gnome or KDE themes actually look more "childish" if you will. The icons seem "cartoony." Of course, all of this can be changed with other SW/tools, though obviously more flexible with Linux.

"other sw/tools"? Oh brother. At least in KDE you can change the theme if you don't like it...

I miss MS Paint

Not a problem. Like you said, you can install Vista and run MS Paint

 

[Majed]

"other sw/tools"? Oh brother. At least in KDE you can change the theme if you don't like it...

What the point of changing one ugly - Windows 3.1-like - theme to another?

Not a problem. Like you said, you can install Vista and run MS Paint

I'm on PPC. :undecide:

 

[Martin]

What the point of changing one ugly - Windows 3.1-like - theme to another?

I think you're a little confused, too much SAP can get to anyone

I'm on PPC. :undecide:

Well then giddy up

 

[Majed]

Speaking of SAP, you should see their GUI (At least they realize it and are working on a new interface)


BTW, what's with the bicycle avatar? I think other members have similar avatars?

 

[Martin]

Speaking of SAP, you should see their GUI (At least they realize it and are working on a new interface)

That almost makes me yearn for Apple It's retro Windows2k with a twist of.. je ne sais quoi.

BTW, what's with the bicycle avatar? I think other members have similar avatars?

Oh it's Erik's masterful photography. He took them for us to use on the forum. I don't know what the message is, you'll have to ask him.

 

[Majed]

That almost makes me yearn for Apple It's retro Windows2k with a twist of.. je ne sais quoi.

Oh it's Erik's masterful photography. He took them for us to use on the forum. I don't know what the message is, you'll have to ask him.

Great. Now I can go to bed. I learned something new today.

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

The new Mac I have is the most amazing piece of machinery ever.

 

[Majed]

The new Mac I have is the most amazing piece of machinery ever.

I agree with Burke.

Enjoy the moment.

 

[Martin]

Great. Now I can go to bed. I learned something new today.

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Congrats So on a scale from 1 to 3.1412 how much fun is SAP?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Pi

 

[Majed]

Congrats So on a scale from 1 to 3.1412 how much fun is SAP?

Hmmmmm tough question as SAP to me means "work," but considering that its the reason for me traveling to wierd places, then I'd say that SAP's been good to me. So I'd give it a 2.5

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

SAP??

Secondary Audio Programming?

 

[Martin]

Not bad Although I've never touched it, whenever I see a job opening in the job listings magazine (which comes to our house for someone who used to live here and moved out but we still read that magazine of his despite it costing him €2.5 per issue), and I see SAP as one of the skill requirements, it always makes me think "that poor sap Majed is slaving over this right now".

 

[Majed]

SAP??

Secondary Audio Programming?

It's actually one of the biggest German software companies.