Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (16 Viewers)

Finish the season with or without Del Neri?

  • Yes, keep Del Neri till the end of the season and then fire him

  • Fire Del Neri now and replace him with someone else till the end of the season


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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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A friend of mine who's been following the Italian football for a while and knows a thing or two about Del Neri told me that Del Neri is a very typical, old school, Italian coach. And that we shouldn't expect any entertaining football.
 

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Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
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Juventus is an Italian squad, the majority of its players should be Italian. However I believe that a few players on the pitch could be able to be foreign. I am very excited in what Agnelli, Marotta and Del Neri can bring.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,084
Juventus is an Italian squad, the majority of its players should be Italian. However I believe that a few players on the pitch could be able to be foreign. I am very excited in what Agnelli, Marotta and Del Neri can bring.
Sure, if there was some good Italians I wouldn't mind having them. Its just that Italian football right now sucks. Just look at their NT. We've been going with this Italian thing for a while now and half of our team has played for the Italian NT but it still doesn't make us any better.
 

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
14,980
Sure, if there was some good Italians I wouldn't mind having them. Its just that Italian football right now sucks. Just look at their NT. We've been going with this Italian thing for a while now and half of our team has played for the Italian NT but it still doesn't make us any better.
That may be true, but Juventus (in my opinion) played very poorly for many reasons: problems with the management, confidence of players, injuries, pressure, etc. But looking at our squad, our defense was despicable bar Chiellini. We have to get rid of mostly all our defenders and bring in Italians like Bonucci to replace Cannavaro, and Criscito to replace Grosso/DC. Now look at our forwards, this was Diego's first year of Serie A soccer - he is not use to the Italian play of soccer yet, hopefully next season he'll be more assimilated in Juventus but in all honesty he didn't have an astounding season in Torino. Our strikers - Del Piero, Amauri, Trezeguet, and Iaquinta all dropped the ball this season as well. Del Piero is 36 years old and has the most goals scored this season, Amauri played pathetic, and Iaquinta was riddled with injuries. Trezeguet has also seem to have lost his Juventus magic, maybe age is catching up to him as well.

I don't think that Cassano should replace Diego, We haven't gotten the best out of Diego yet and next season I believe he will play better. In addition to that, Cassano is bit of a strange character, he's almost hitting 30 and I don't think a swap for him for Diego is a good idea, as Diego is 25 and still has a lot of potential. However, I think that Amauri should be OUT, and Pazzini IN.

Replacing our washed-up, nothing great Italian players with quality Italian players is how we are going to move up. We can't expect to be playing players like Del Piero anymore who is 36, players like Cannavaro, Grosso, etc. We need new young talent, and I think we can find many in Serie A. But like I said we should keep the foreigners too like Diego, Melo and Caceres they all haven't played to their full potential either this season.
 

MeTaL_KnighT

Terran Maniac
Mar 3, 2009
1,761
Replacing our washed-up, nothing great Italian players with quality Italian players
You Are Right...For example Spansih Players can't play in Serie A...But Argentinian, French, Balkan Players can play good...I Think: we must transfer Italian + Argentinian +French + Balkan players in Juve :thumbs:
 

Red

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Moderator
Nov 26, 2006
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Well it doees not seem a certainty Diego is staying (although i would keep him as i think he is our best player next to Chiellini and Buffon)

But if we had Cassano we could just play him on the left right?

----------Iaquinta------------

Cassano--------------------????

-------------Diego----------------

Marchisio----------Melo--------


It would be similar to Inter in the CL. Use Diego like they use Sneijder
Can you explain to me why it would be a good idea to have a team oozing creativity, but rely on a pretty mediocre finisher to take the chances?
 

Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
2,788
Club Focus - Juventus - A vote for Luigi Del Neri


By Mina Rzouki
With Rafa Benitez eager to continue his dismal project at Liverpool and Beppe Marotta all but signed, sealed and delivered, Juventus are back in the hunt for a new Coach and have set their sights on Luigi Del Neri, the current Sampdoria Coach.






For a side who came out and admitted that their season objective was to play cohesive and attractive football with the aim of doing better than last year, Sampdoria have done what seemed to be the impossible and climbed their way up their table to secure a spot in Europe’s elite competition despite having no depth in the squad, an abysmal defence and huge financial constraints. Many will quickly point to the Giampaolo Pazzini and Antonio Cassano partnership but truthfully, Del Neri, the man that guided both Atalanta and Chievo to success in past seasons, deserves the credit for his squad’s dazzling attacking display this term.



On arriving in Genoa, the first thing Del Neri did was scrap the 3-5-2 formation Walter Mazzarri had deployed previously and put in place a more traditional 4-4-2 formation that focused heavily on the wingers’ input both in attack and in defence. At Chievo, he adapted the wings as his team’s point of attack by relying on Christian Manfredini and Eriberto, dubbed the 'black arrows’, to penetrate the flanks, providing the important crosses to Bernardo Corradi and Massimo Marazzina who would then go on to score. Meanwhile at Samp, his habitual 4-4-2 formation transforms into a 4-2-4 every time the teams attacks, allowing the wingers to move in next to the strikers.



Having arrived at Samp, Del Neri was aware of the number of goals the side conceded in their last campaign. Walter Mazzarri heavily relied on his scintillating duo up-front to win the games for the Genovese club while the rest of the squad fell apart. As such, the new Coach was tasked with finding a way to aid his feeble defence and stop the leak at the back and he obliged by asking his full-backs to stay close to the centre-backs when defending whilst one of his wingers would often drop back to provide additional cover on the flank. His method worked and Sampdoria have let in 41 goals this season as opposed to the 52 goals conceded last term.



Based on Del Neri’s tactics, Juventus would need to heavily invest on wingers who could create and track back when needed. So where does that leave the likes of Sebastian Giovinco, Mauro Camoranesi, Diego and Antonio Candreva? Considering Giovinco’s defensive frailties, the youngster may be benched yet again for most of the season meanwhile Camo’s technical skill and experience could assure him a protagonist role. As for Candreva, he may be asked to give up his attacking initiative to focus on his defensive capabilities and perhaps play as a deep-lying midfielder. Diego’s talent does not seem to fit Del Neri’s tactics but the Brazilian, need not fear. His skill is one to hold on to and as his agent said in response to exit rumours: "Juventus will build their team for the future around Diego and Giorgio Chiellini."



Indeed they can. Del Neri has a great record of working with fantasistas from Cristiano Doni at Atalanta to Cassano at Sampdoria. Whilst the latter has been transformed into a clinical striker, Diego is perhaps more of an attacking midfielder than a goal scorer who thrives off providing assists. As such, it will be likely that the tactician would tweak the formation to a 4-4-1-1 and have the trequarista play behind a striker such as Vincenzo Iaquinta and concentrate his attacks through the middle.



Coach Luigi’s greatest strengths are his attention to detail, and his intimate coaching methods. Rumour has it he sits and explains his tactics to his team over two hours the night before every match, to ensure his plans are well understood. He devotes hours in training to individuals to help them raise their game and he understands the true meaning of teamwork ensuring a harmonious atmosphere both inside and outside the dressing room. Nonetheless, do not expect a pushover - Del Neri is more than happy to bench players as he sees fit and demands the utmost respect from his group.



However, one question hangs over his success at Turin - can he cope with the pressure and the inner turmoil of the club or will he find it all too much too handle? At Roma, Del Neri walked into a messy situation that proved too much for him and thus failed to meet the expectations of the fans despite possessing a good squad. You will also notice that he spends much of his time in Press conferences alleviating the pressure off his sides and repeatedly mentioning his club’s low expectations. One would have to wonder how he would cope with the huge demands of the Bianconeri faithful and the enormous pressure Juventus tacticians have to live with on a daily basis.


(football-italiano.co.uk)
 

Cirillo

Senior Member
Nov 10, 2009
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Del Neri, what the hell is this? it's driving me crazy. Juve has some major problems. Look at some of the the names we've been linked too. Prandelli, Spaletti, Allegri. None of them are big enough names. I think they should be looking at names like Lippi, Capello, Hidink, Pep Guardiola, Wenger, del bousque someone of that ilk. Anyone else is simply a failure. There in turn lies the problem. Due to timing none of those are free (except Lippi but I don’t know if you would go for him again) and the inept management of this club means that while in years gone buy Juventus was a big enough club to entice any manager to break his contract they just can’t do it any more.

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Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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Not too sure about this, it kind of makes one ask, where is Juve heading anyway?

Ask the question: who should be the next coach last winter when Rocky had to leave, and i am sure, besides names like Hiddink, when we talk about long term, about this moment NOW, if not managers like Hiddink and Capello which are out of our league anyway as it seems, i am sure many thought about Prandelli, maybe Gasperini and so on. I for one def didnt think about Del Neri to take over after this season even if he had a good season.

And thats the thing now. Is our board really that clueless? Who ever is up there. I guess Marotta knows something what we might not know, but in the end, he just came here also. I am talking about our people at the helm of this club. Did they just looked at the standings and said: "Who ever gets the 4th spot, will be hired". I def feel like this. So one has to wonder, what if Palermo had made 4th spot?

Its Del Neris past what worries me. His time at Roma was terrible. And he already took over from Rudi Voller, Roma was in a big mess.

This Juve is also in big mess. Is Del Neri really up for it? Lets also check some facts.

Del Neri is just 2 years younger than Lippi. Yet this season was Del Neris biggest highlight of his career. And now hitting 60 this autumn, its not like his something special, or is he now? Ancelotti for example is 50 years old. And compare the cv-s.

Realistically speaking, i dont expect us to win serie a next year anyway, too much to improve, so many players need to be replaced. And we might not have the money to do it all in one season. Also the new team needs time to start "clicking".

I just think that this might be a step too far for Del Neri. I think Samp was a match made in heaven for him. I am not taking any credit away from him, it was a great achievement. Last season Samp finished 13th!

But still...if we just forget what happened this season. We had Ranieri...we were supposed to improve...find the winning coach, and now after all what has happened...the season was already over a long time ago...now we get Del Neri, who isnt exactly a winner, just a manager who had a good season, in a bit weak serie A.

I think Del Neri could be another Ranieri. He might get us that top 4 finish, but i dont think he can make us significantly better. This Juve needs time to improve, but it also needs a manager who can be part of this all for longer time. Thats why someone like Prandelli deserves to look out for in a way. Season by season working there at Viola, improving things here and there.

I wonder what will be the objective for next season?

Oh and btw? If Bayern win CL, 2011-12 CL Italy will only have 3 spots, right? So that means we need to finish in top 3 this next season (2010-11). Is Del Neri up for it?
I don't feel at all it was a case of 'whichever manager gets 4th spot' we will chase...Any manager is a gamble. Obviouslt by grabbing a manager who has achieved success in various leagues, countries, teams, is a way of offsetting the risk. But I do not see any such managers available to us, not just because they are tied up and happy, elsewhere, but because we finished 7th, and are in a terrible state from the top to the bottom of the club.

Del Neri has got the best out of cassano. Marotta has helped to bring in players, on a much smaller budget than he will have care of at Juve, which have been combined very well by Del Neri. That understanding between Manager and Transfer King is imperative for any hint of success.

I find Marrotta's signing more valuable, potentially, for we have lacked a decent man in charge of our transfers since Moggi was crudely dispatched. Many of our present problems stem from the woeful errors of Secco. I mean...regardless of what Ranieri said, we wanted Alonso, but chose instead...Poulsen. Last season we desperately wanted D'agostino, but ended up paying large for Melo. The Amauri transfer is the strangest of all, as I never thought he was worth 20m, or whatever close to that figure we paid for him. We needed a goalscorer, not an amauri...

Suffice to say, Secco's work in the transfer market, other than with the Diego purchase, has been atrocious. he has not only wasted huge amounts of money, but also failed to sell players who were underperforming...Moggi wouldn't give a fuck if Poulsen 'wants to stay and prove himself'.

Its important to have a decent transfer man in place. Marotta is a vast improvement on what we have had for a few years now...As for the manager..Del Neri is an obvious improvement over Zach and Ciro. Only an idiot will say 'but zach won a scudetto ten years ago, so he is the best'. Its clearly more relevant that Del Neri has been working consistently, when Zach was unemployed, unwanted, discarded by the italian game.

this is an insanely important period for the club. Do we go further down? or start to claw our way back up the table?

So much needs changing in the squad. We have one decent defender, some talent and muscle in the centre of midfield. a dead winger, a weak but fast and skilful winger. No natural goalscorer, once Trez leaves. Aging DP, regularly injured, and hardly prolific Iaquinta, and possibly the worst brazilian striker ever to leave brazil.

Can Del Nerio AND MArotta improve us enough to put us back in the mix with Inter??? Not in one season. I don't think ANY manager could do that, we have fallen too far to recover that swiftly. But can they get us back into the top 3??? With some decent signings, strong management, stripping away the dying and inadequate players...Yes, I reckon that is the aim, and a possiblity.

Forza Juve...
 

ImOnFire15

Junior Member
Nov 19, 2009
133
First post ever! Is he a good coach? Whats his formation? Does he play attacking or more defensive? Does he play beautiful aka Arsenal, Farca, Dutch, Spanish teams or boring like Jose Mourinho. Also I've become Juventus fan recently after I ditch Internatzionale because of their history. It was between Juventus and AC Milan. But I decided to go with Juventus because their most successful team in Italy and my dad is already AC Milan fan anyways.
 
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First post ever! Is he a good coach? Whats his formation? Does he play attacking or more defensive? Does he play beautiful aka Arsenal, Farca, Dutch, Spanish teams or boring like Jose Mourinho. Also I've become Juventus fan recently after I ditch Internatzionale because of their history. It was between Juventus and AC Milan. But I decided to go with Juventus because their most successful team in Italy and my dad is already AC Milan fan anyways.
Welcome , your choice was spot on !
 

Joe

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2009
14,980
Is this guy official? Just come to this forum today, and this is so BAD news
This is not bad news, Marotta and Del Neri have a good partnership going on, with Marotta and Juve's funds good things can happen, and Del Neri will also benefit from it. I'm not saying Del Neri is amazing or anything, but I think DN was a good pick.

First post ever! Is he a good coach? Whats his formation? Does he play attacking or more defensive? Does he play beautiful aka Arsenal, Farca, Dutch, Spanish teams or boring like Jose Mourinho. Also I've become Juventus fan recently after I ditch Internatzionale because of their history. It was between Juventus and AC Milan. But I decided to go with Juventus because their most successful team in Italy and my dad is already AC Milan fan anyways.
From what I hear Del Neri is more old school. He plays more defensively, rather than attacking constantly. Serie A is a very defensive league, and if Juventus pick up players like Bonucci, Kjaer and/or Criscito in addition to Del Neri's defensive tactics they can be a wall.
 

ImOnFire15

Junior Member
Nov 19, 2009
133
From what I hear Del Neri is more old school. He plays more defensively, rather than attacking constantly. Serie A is a very defensive league, and if Juventus pick up players like Bonucci, Kjaer and/or Criscito in addition to Del Neri's defensive tactics they can be a wall.
Can you or someone give me a report on Kjaer, Bonucci and Criscito. I dont watch much Serie A but I think I'll begin too.
 

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