Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (24 Viewers)

Finish the season with or without Del Neri?

  • Yes, keep Del Neri till the end of the season and then fire him

  • Fire Del Neri now and replace him with someone else till the end of the season


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baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
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I don't think you can hold that agaisnt him, since he has not really been in a position to achieve greater. You can speculate in the fact the he has not been giving the chance in a bigger club before. That is fair enough. (and don't give the Roma argument, because that does not count.)

Why is that a contradiction ? I wont say succes does not breed succes, but the fact he he hasn't coached Barcelona makes him a coach that does not go for a win? The bullshit here, is that you ASSUME this is the case, and I just state the obvious - that you cannot know.

I can't know that that they communicate for sure now. But I can SPECULATE like this: I don't think Beppe would jump ship if he did not feel that he would get some opportunities and has faith in Agnelli. Thats a start. However, the statement about communication was regarding Beppe and Del Neri, for sure he would not ask Del Neri, and the latter would not accept, if they did not have an excellent professional relationship. This is what I think is an immediate advantage.

I did not say always, I said repeatedly. We both have examples, that is fair. I could choose to think Ranieri would never come out to say that he did not want a player that he had gotten. But does one right make up for at least two wrongs?

I honestly don't see the similariteis between Del Neri and Zac. Zac hadn't coached for 4½ years before coming here. Ranieri and Del Neri, maybe they are similar but I think that Del Neri are more versatile and less conservative in his lineups and formations. But that is one thing we will have to wait to see what happens..

It's not the fact that he's not coached a big club that is what is held against him. But when you see that no big clubs are approaching him 25 years into his career, you'd probably take your blinkers off and see what I mean.

It's not about having coached a Barcelona. It's about having coached clubs from the other end of the spectrum. When youre in that environment, achieving 40 points at the end of the season is what everybody is overjoyd with. When you spend years doing that, your thinking is that much smaller. Your goals too. That's not Del Neri's fault, it's just human for that to happen. This guy for better or worse doesnt know what it takes to make the cut at a big club. In fact, I'd even discount that, if he didnt have 25 friggin years and nothing to show for. Unfortunately, after that long, your thinking is always a lot more set and rigid and not open to new ideas. It happens to all of us. Like I said, we are not a feeding ground for people to discover their talent. We are a team looking to win titles like we've done for over 100 years.

About Beppe and Del Neri, you can read my previous post. That's what i said, Marotta has adapted a safety first approach, because of his relationship with Del Neri. Hopefully, that's what I'd take most consolation in. A more cohesive approach on their front.

Again, read my post. That's what I said about Ranieri. If he didnt get who he wanted, and didnt come out and say it, that only went on to show that he wasnt somebody who could stand up for his ideas. And what he believed in, and was nothing but a mere puppet. We dont need that now more than ever. We need someone like a Capello who would get who he wants and do what it takes to make us win. Remember why Hiddink rejected Juve? Not because of the money alone, but because of how unclear the board was in articulating what they have in mind. He walked away, because he believed in his ideas and didnt agree with or understand those of the board. That's how winners are.

Yea, there's probably a better comparison between Ranieri and Del Neri, except, Ranieri's been at bigger clubs and probably achieved more in his time as coach. And we saw that despite his results he didnt have the respect of the dressing room by the time he was sacked. Zaccheroni on the other hand has actually won something, but he too is so passive that he cant motivate big players and big teams. That's just how it is. A big team needs a coach that can stand up to them. A coach who commands respect. And a coach who can tell them to shut up and play when they need to. Ferguson, Trappatoni, Mourinho, Lippi, Capello, Ancellotti? What do they have in common? They have the respect of the teams that play for them. They get the best of their players, because their players respect them and know that they know what it takes to win. Now dont tell me they're not available and we need to try someone new. If that's the case, then you're better off with the other people we've been associated with. Because some of them are winning wherever they go, and because the others dont have so much experience in losing.


PS: Dont tell me the speculation aggravates you. Dont read my posts if that's the case. When you speculate it's love. And when I do, it's sex? Fuck that.
 

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icemaη

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Aug 27, 2008
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Nobody has any clue why Hiddink walked away. According to my theory, he asked for an enormous amount of money because he did not want to return to coaching clubs. He took the easy way out, just like he has for quite some time.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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icεmαή;2496100 said:
Nobody has any clue why Hiddink walked away. According to my theory, he asked for an enormous amount of money because he did not want to return to coaching clubs. He took the easy way out, just like he has for quite some time.
Couple of articles where his agent pointed out, Juve weren't clear about their objectives.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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i really hope we dont sell diego it would be a stupid mistake

a 4-4-2 would be good with diego playing behind the striker.

a 4-2-3-1 in attack and a 4-4-2 when defending.

is palombo any good?
 

Jasp

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Mar 19, 2009
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It's not about having coached a Barcelona. It's about having coached clubs from the other end of the spectrum. When youre in that environment, achieving 40 points at the end of the season is what everybody is overjoyd with. When you spend years doing that, your thinking is that much smaller. Your goals too. That's not Del Neri's fault, it's just human for that to happen. This guy for better or worse doesnt know what it takes to make the cut at a big club. In fact, I'd even discount that, if he didnt have 25 friggin years and nothing to show for. Unfortunately, after that long, your thinking is always a lot more set and rigid and not open to new ideas. It happens to all of us. Like I said, we are not a feeding ground for people to discover their talent. We are a team looking to win titles like we've done for over 100 years.


Remember why Hiddink rejected Juve? Not because of the money alone, but because of how unclear the board was in articulating what they have in mind. He walked away, because he believed in his ideas and didnt agree with or understand those of the board. That's how winners are.

Yea, there's probably a better comparison between Ranieri and Del Neri, except, Ranieri's been at bigger clubs and probably achieved more in his time as coach. And we saw that despite his results he didnt have the respect of the dressing room by the time he was sacked. Zaccheroni on the other hand has actually won something, but he too is so passive that he cant motivate big players and big teams. That's just how it is. A big team needs a coach that can stand up to them. A coach who commands respect. And a coach who can tell them to shut up and play when they need to. Ferguson, Trappatoni, Mourinho, Lippi, Capello, Ancellotti? What do they have in common? They have the respect of the teams that play for them. They get the best of their players, because their players respect them and know that they know what it takes to win. Now dont tell me they're not available and we need to try someone new. If that's the case, then you're better off with the other people we've been associated with. Because some of them are winning wherever they go, and because the others dont have so much experience in losing.


PS: Dont tell me the speculation aggravates you. Dont read my posts if that's the case. When you speculate it's love. And when I do, it's sex? Fuck that.

Ok first of all, read what I wrote. I said you take your speculation into CERTAINTIES, and that was what aggravates me. Take the first higlighted part. How the hell can you know that? You wanted another coach. Fine. Most of us did. But that does not warrant statements like that. How the hell do you know what he is capable of?

I think you are wrong about the Hiddink part. No formal contact has ever been confirmed. This is hersay and speculation. It has been verified that we contacted Benitez in January. Nothing Else.

The last part highlighted: Again. I agree with the things you write, but I don't necessarly think that can't be the case with Del Neri as you are so certain about. It is not about them available or not, it about what Del Neri is capable of.

Now you might get to say told you so in 5 months time. I hope not, because I hope Del Neri succeeds. Until then you don't get to put a QED in the end of your posts.
 

RAMI-N

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Tuesday 18 May, 2010


Juventus will start again with Sampdoria duo Gigi Del Neri and Beppe Marotta. Serafino Ingardia wonders whether they are good enough

Juventus are ready for a fresh new start. Beppe Marotta has been named as the new director general and Gigi Del Neri will become the new Coach after both men surprisingly inspired Sampdoria to the Champions League. But now a greater test awaits them in Turin…

The Bianconeri faithful must give them credit and time, but it is understandable to question the abilities of the Old Lady's new men.

Marotta has done a very good job at Sampdoria by signing the likes of Giampaolo Pazzini, Antonio Cassano and many others. He is definitely more experienced than former Juve sporting director Alessio Secco, but would anyone rate him as highly as Luciano Moggi? I doubt it.

Del Neri also did a superb job at Marassi, shaping a team capable of beating Roma, Inter, Milan and Juventus as they proved this term. Still, I believe there were a bunch of managers who could have been far more appealing and the list includes Guus Hiddink, who was forced to refuse the job last December in front of the amateurish negotiations of Secco and Jean-Claude Blanc.

Marotta has already explained that this Juventus side needs evolution and not revolution. I agree with him on that as there are several players who could rediscover themselves next season. Juve have a good squad, they just need to strengthen it and add quality to it.

But the list of players who could do better probably does not include star man Diego, who will be penalised by Del Neri's 4-4-2 strategy. If the Bianconeri let go of the Brazilian so easily then I think they will commit a big mistake.

The former Werder ace just needs talented teammates to play with in order to prove himself. That said he will probably go and so will Gigi Buffon – it won't be easy to replace either of them.

So will next season be a successful one for Juve? It is too early to say but the future doesn't look too bright and you must wonder whether the Bianconeri are moving forward or backwards.

Calciopoli and demotion to Serie B really damaged one of Italy's strongest sides. Juve used to be coached by the likes of Marcello Lippi, Carlo Ancelotti and Fabio Capello. In recent years they have switched to Claudio Ranieri, Ciro Ferrara, Alberto Zaccheroni and ultimately Del Neri.

It may take some time for the Old Lady of Italian football to regain her place in Europe’s elite. Who would have thought that Juventus would have turned into this?

FI
 

Wahdan

Ace of Spades
Mar 14, 2009
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I think Palombo is good, but the question is why another CM?

If they believe that ours are incompetent sell them first please.

In my opinion, one of Poulsen, Melo and Sissoko must leave. I choose Melo because he would get us good cash to spend in defence, unlike the other two.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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why are people insisting we lost any of our 4 CMF?! they are all quality players...if we indeed are looking to improve our wing play, then those 4 are more than good enough.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
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Can Del Nerio AND MArotta improve us enough to put us back in the mix with Inter??? Not in one season. I don't think ANY manager could do that, we have fallen too far to recover that swiftly. But can they get us back into the top 3??? With some decent signings, strong management, stripping away the dying and inadequate players...Yes, I reckon that is the aim, and a possiblity.

Forza Juve...
wc coaches who smash the table, and ask for players not puppets when talking to the men up stairs..we need such coaches. Del Neri won't get too involved and won't have any word against marrota & co.
 

blondu

Grazie Ale
Nov 9, 2006
27,408
why are people insisting we lost any of our 4 CMF?! they are all quality players...if we indeed are looking to improve our wing play, then those 4 are more than good enough.
who are those 4? diego, candreva, camo and gio?...if so...camo, candreva and probably gio are gone.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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who are those 4? diego, candreva, camo and gio?...if so...camo, candreva and probably gio are gone.
those 4 are Melo - Marchisio - Momo - Poulsen

Camo is already gone, and he's not a CMF anyway

Candreva is the understudy to Diego.

Giovinco can also count as a winger.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
47,928
if we play a system of 2 central midfielders, no regista or any BS like that, then that quartet is pure quality, I doubt many teams have 4 better than that...one should not judge them on this year's results, a proper Coach will get them to work.
 

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