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Carlo Garganese's Calcio Debate: Only Luciano Moggi Can Save Juventus From Years Of Pain & Misery
A top four place this term is looking unlikely, next season may already be written off due to bad management, Goal.com's Carlo Garganese believes that only Luciano Moggi - if he is able to return - can prevent many more years of hurt for Bianconeri fans...


When Luciano Moggi was appointed as Juventus sporting director in 1994, the club had not won the Scudetto for eight long, painful years. Despite two UEFA Cup successes in 1990 and 1993, the Bianconeri were suffering one of the worst periods in their history. Not since the 1940s during the glory days of Valentino Mazzola’s Grande Torino had Juve gone so long without capturing the championship.

It is testament to the brilliance of Moggi’s Triade containing Antonio Giraudo and Roberto Bettega, as well as coaching arrival Marcello Lippi, that Juventus immediately broke this negative trend to roar home to the 1994-95 Scudetto. During the next 12 years, Moggi’s Juventus dominated Italian football by winning a total of seven Scudetti – also taking home a Champions League, Intercontinental Cup and European Supercup among other honours.

The situation in 1994 for Juventus was not too dissimilar to that now. Although the squad Moggi inherited from departing trainer Giovanni Trapattoni boasted many stars such as the two Baggios (Roberto and Dino) and the two Germans (Juergen Kohler and Andreas Moeller) – and was far superior to Gigi Del Neri’s current roster – Moggi faced many familiar challenges. He was up against arguably the greatest ever Milan generation – who had dominated Europe for five years, won three Scudetti on the bounce, and just humiliated Johan Cruyff’s Barcelona ‘Dream Team’ 4-0 in the Champions League final in Athens. Yet some of the Rossoneri’s stalwarts, such as Franco Baresi and Mauro Tassotti, were starting to age – a similar setting to Italy’s current four-time winners on the pitch Inter.

Juventus were shaken up. The four aforementioned star players were no longer stars. Dino Baggio left for Parma, Moeller for Dortmund, while Roberto Baggio and Kohler soon lost their places in the team and were also out of the door by the end of the season. Through signings Didier Deschamps and Ciro Ferrara, as well as a youngster by the name of Alessandro Del Piero, Moggi tore up what he succeeded and built a new dynasty.

Fast forward 17 years, and a new dynasty is exactly what Juventus supporters are crying out for again. And Moggi appears the only man capable of rebuilding a crumbled empire.

Juventus’ 2-1 defeat at Palermo last night was just further evidence of the utter incompetence that has engulfed the Corso Galileo Ferraris headquarters since Moggi left them in 2006. Such is the crisis - which has seen Del Neri’s men lose four of their last six league games, and win two in 10 in all competitions, leaving them potentially seven points outside the top four in eighth place – it will now be a surprise if a Champions League slot is salvaged in the final 15 games of the season.


Juve In 2011


Palermo 2-1 Juve - Serie A - 02/02/11
Juve 1-2 Udinese - Serie A - 30/01/11
Samp 0-0 Juve - Serie A - 23/01/11
Juve 2-1 Bari - Serie A - 16/01/11
Napoli 3-0 Juve - Serie A - 09/01/11
Juve 1-4 Parma - Serie A - 06/01/11

Much was made of the disastrous four years ‘work’ by former transfer chief Alessio Secco, but his heir Giuseppe Marotta has proven every bit as inept, if not worse. Despite forking out a whopping €57 million last summer on 11 new players, Marotta has loaded the squad with loan signings. To the extent that Juve will have to part with €49.5m in June just to make the deals of Fabio Quagliarella, Alessandro Matri, Alberto Aquilani and Simone Pepe permanent. That is almost €50m just to ensure Juve are as uncompetitive in 2011-12 as they have been in 2010-11. Needless to say there will be limited transfer funds available on top of this – especially in the event of finishing outside the top four.

Now imagine what Moggi would have done with €107m at his disposal. The market magician who masterminded the swap of Inter’s Italy captain Fabio Cannavaro for reserve goalkeeper Fabian Carini (pictured, right), signed Edgar Davids for €3.5m, Adrian Mutu for free, and used the money received from Real Madrid for Zinedine Zidane to purchase three world class stars in Gianluigi Buffon, Lilian Thuram and Pavel Nedved. Luciano would have made Juventus champions in two years.

Despite this outlay, Juventus limp on without an adequate full-back and devoid of a left midfielder altogether. This brings us onto the ineptitude of Marotta’s former Sampdoria buddy Luigi Del Neri, who not for the first time in his career has proven to be out of his depth coaching a top club.

For a while the 60-year-old seemed to have rediscovered the traditional fighting spirit of the Bianconeri, as they embarked on a long unbeaten run before Christmas, but as the going got tough with Quagliarella’s injury in the new year Del Neri has displayed all his limitations.

A good coach doesn’t enforce an unsuitable formation on his team, but that is exactly what the Peter Sellers-lookalike has insisted with his beloved 4-4-2 - a system that requires width on both flanks. Juventus have been fielding just one winger for the entire campaign, and it is no surprise that an exhausted Milos Krasic is now being doubled up on by opponents who realise there is no threat from the other side. When Jose Mourinho marched in at Inter in 2008, he conceded after a few games that his favoured 4-3-3 couldn’t work.

Just one example of why Del Neri is not in the same bracket as The Special One. Another is substitutions. You can always spot a good coach by his ability to read how a match is developing and the in-game changes he decides as a result. Going for the win against Udinese on Sunday night, Del Neri’s first switch with six minutes to go was to replace the creative Alberto Aquilani with Momo ‘can’t pass six yards’ Sissoko. A minute later Alexis Sanchez scored the winner for the visitors.

Last night, 2-1 down at the Renzo Barbera, it was a similar story as Aquilani was again swapped with Sissoko after 66 minutes. Juve were utterly dominant at the time and an equaliser seemed inevitable, but they lost their fluency after the introduction of the pass-master and barring a Salvatore Sirigu save on Jorge Martinez created nothing thereafter.

Unfortunately for Juve fans, a Moggi return seems unlikely. Although his ban from football ends this year, the Italian Football Federation will likely do everything in their power to stop him from returning. Anyone who has researched the 2006 Calciopoli scandal will tell you that it was the biggest farce in the history of Italian sport – an injustice that Juventus are paying for dearly. The FIGC know this themselves, but any admission of this swindle (and the decisions/punishment/compensation as a result) to the world would make Serie A even more of a laughing stock than it already supposedly was back in 2006. Calciopoli badly damaged Calcio’s image, and it is only now – five years later – that it is starting to really recover financially and sportingly. Imagine the view of the football community, sponsors, advertisers, players, clubs, leagues, if it was disclosed what really happened? For this reason, Moggi will most probably remain the scapegoat.

And if he doesn’t, he will face opposition from the hidden hand who really controls Juventus. Although Moggi is close to president Andrea Agnelli, it is Fiat and Exor chairman John Elkann who calls all the shots in Turin. Anyone who has studied post-Calciopoli boardroom politics at Vinovo will attest that Moggi and Elkann are not exactly the best of friends!

So the odds are against a Moggi return, but then of course there is the wish of the fans who dearly love the Siena-native and have the power to demand change.
 

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JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Anyone willing to dig up Garganese articles from 2006? And see what his stand was on Moggi? Everyone knows he's a joke, he knows it himself actually.
 

Nomuken

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Dec 14, 2009
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"EVERYONE TO BLAME"

"Everyone to blame," yelped the front-page of Tuttosport in the wake of Juventus's defeat to Udinese at the weekend, but this time around they were happy for one man to take the rap all on his own. "Arbitropoli" (Referee-gate) boomed the banner headline on the same newspaper's website following last night's loss to Palermo. The paper itself went with "Taken for a ride".
Less than two weeks earlier Emidio Morganti had been named referee of the year at the Oscar del Calcio, the annual awards ceremony organised by the Italian Footballers' Association. How quickly times change. "If referees can't see they should not be doing this job," railed the Juventus manager Gigi Del Neri at full-time. "Morganti is in no state to referee."
Del Neri went on to say that his team wanted "respect" and remind officials that the Calciopoli match-fixing scandal, "if it ever existed, is now finished". Juventus's players were immediately put into a press silence, but a Facebook post appeared later in the evening from what appeared to be Felipe Melo's account describing the official as a "bandit".
Their anger related first and foremost to a missed penalty decision by Morganti during the first half. After the ball was headed on by Andrea Barzagli inside the area it clearly struck the outstretched arm of Cesare Bovo. Even the Palermo manager Delio Rossi acknowledged the mistake, though he also asserted that the free-kick which led to the incident should never have been given and pointed out that Juventus's goal had come from the corner that followed.
It would have been naïve to expect too much sympathy from Rossi given some of the decisions that have gone against his own team in recent weeks. "We didn't go into a press silence over the penalty we weren't given for Thiago Motta's handball at Inter," he noted. "We need to stop this; if Juve complain it resonates but if Palermo do it nobody pays any attention."
But whilst there may be some truth to his words, the Palermo manager failed to note that his team are also far less likely to attract front-page headlines every time they lose. If Juventus had a grievance then it is also true that Del Neri needed a scapegoat after a third straight loss in all competitions. The quality of their opponents – Roma, Udinese and Palermo – in those fixtures must be noted but then so must the worrying fact that they have not beaten anyone away from home since a trip to Catania on 5 December.
For the first time since he took over as manager of the club in the summer, there is a sense that the tide may be beginning to turn against Del Neri. Twenty-three games in, his team is eighth – on precisely the same number of points (35) they had at the corresponding point last season. Already out of the Coppa Italia and Europa League, the only realistic target left this season is a top four finish and after falling to eighth that too is beginning to look like a tough ask.
The manager can point to the injury sustained by Fabio Quagliarella as a turning point. When the striker ruptured his cruciate ligament in the defeat to Parma last month Juventus lost their most effective forward – with nine goals he was the only member of the squad even close to double figures – and their lack of depth was exposed. Suddenly the Bianconeri were relying on Amauri, a striker who has scored less times over the last 24 months than Giorgio Chiellini, and 36-year-old Alessandro Del Piero.
Luca Toni arrived from Genoa and promptly injured himself, and it was not until the last day of the transfer window that a further reinforcement arrived up front. Alessandro Matri will eventually cost the club €18m but opened his account by wasting a pair of good chances before exiting shortly after an hour with cramp.
It would be unreasonable to judge the player too harshly on a single performance, and Matri's performances over the last two years at Cagliari have suggested that he is ready for this stage, but level-headed assessment has long been hard to find in Turin. Claudio Ranieri was hounded out in 2009 with the club third in the table with two games left in the season. Two seasons on the club can scarcely dream of finding itself in such a comfortable position.
There has been naivety on the part of both fans and directors about the ease with which a return to the top of Italian football could be achieved. After storming back up from Serie B in the wake of their Calciopoli punishment the club made it into the Champions League places at the first attempt. But that success was the product of both momentum and the fact that they had retained a core group of players from their glory years. In that first season back in Serie A, Del Piero finished as the league's top scorer, with his team-mate David Trezeguet in second place.
Two years on, Trezeguet is gone and Del Piero, whilst remaining an important player, is no longer able to play at such a level every week. Others, such as Pavel Nedved and Mauro Camoranesi, have retired or moved on. In goal Gigi Buffon is only just back from a lengthy injury. These are not simple players to replace, even with the club boasting – as Gazzetta dello Sport highlighted a few weeks ago – the highest net spend in the league over the past four years (€129.8m, before the signing of Matri).
Del Neri, along with the director of sport Beppe Marotta, who arrived along with the manager from Sampdoria in the summer, have been responsible for significant outgoings too on players such as Quagliarella, Jorge Martinez and Milos Krasic. They have sought to stress throughout the process that theirs is a long-term project, but that is about as likely to fly in Turin as a pig in a volcanic ash cloud. After so many years in the wilderness, patience is in short supply.
Indeed, for all that Del Neri railed at the referee last night he may have been quietly grateful for the scapegoat. After all, better that one person takes the blame than everybody does. Especially when that somebody isn't you.
Talking points
• Palermo, despite getting lucky with the penalty decision, deserve plenty of credit for their efforts against Juve and the wonderful pass from Javier Pastore to Fabrizio Miccoli for the opener is worth revisiting. Afterwards the president Maurizio Zamparini said he would sell the player for no less than €80 mil.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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I love moggi and want him back, I couldnt care if he cheated he knows how to handle the transfer market and thats all that matters.

"€57 million last summer on 11 new players, "

this was my point exactly, the fact is we do have money we just spend it on crap. Seeing as Saurez cost 23 million we sure could have bought him. We aren't going anywhere until we get a decent transfer guy and manager
 

Kasaki

Moggi's Assistant
Jun 1, 2010
13,739
Good luck with that when we have Giandonato in midfield, De Paola in defence and Boniperti LW.
If we spent well

------------Pazzini-------------
Giovinco-----Diego-----Krasic(20m?)
--------Melo----Marchisio---
De Ceglie--Bonnuci(15m?)--Chiellini--(VdW)12m?

Subs :
Iaquinta
Del Piero
Sissoko
Sorenson (600-900k?)
Grygera
Salhamdixjshdd
Legrotagglie
Barzagli (1m?)
 

JuveJay

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Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
72,502
That's three new players for the same figure we bought 11 for. So we play with no bench at all? And what'll happen when we get the inevitable injuries?

Those sort of signings are the ones you make on top of what we have, and then you make even better quality ones on top of them, we have to construct a squad!
 

Kasaki

Moggi's Assistant
Jun 1, 2010
13,739
That's three new players for the same figure we bought 11 for. So we play with no bench at all? And what'll happen when we get the inevitable injuries?

Those sort of signings are the ones you make on top of what we have, and then you make even better quality ones on top of them, we have to construct a squad!
A squad with quanity = mid table
A squad with quality - top four

Vdw could be a loan with option to buy. Actually if you think about it we've already spent a shit load with quaq and aquilani....
And that subs bench looks pretty decent to me, only thing would be getting a cheap CM . Cigarini? Rakitic?
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
72,502
Just the options on the bench, only one CM, who is awful, and only one really good player on it, who is 36. The first team is good, potentially. I'm sure we could destroy their confidence in no time though!
 

juventino899

Senior Member
Dec 29, 2009
1,335
We need to bring Moggi back asap! no more firing our current staff to replace them with equal/slightly better managers

Moggi is an expert when it comes to the market, we don't need someone who managed Sampdoria to run our club. As Carlo said on goal we're going to need another 50 mil to keep the players we loaned, for what to finish mid table again?
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Carlo Garganese's Calcio Debate: Only Luciano Moggi Can Save Juventus From Years Of Pain & Misery
A top four place this term is looking unlikely, next season may already be written off due to bad management, Goal.com's Carlo Garganese believes that only Luciano Moggi - if he is able to return - can prevent many more years of hurt for Bianconeri fans...
By Carlo Garganese
Feb 3, 2011 11:00:00 AM


When Luciano Moggi was appointed as Juventus sporting director in 1994, the club had not won the Scudetto for eight long, painful years. Despite two UEFA Cup successes in 1990 and 1993, the Bianconeri were suffering one of the worst periods in their history. Not since the 1940s during the glory days of Valentino Mazzola’s Grande Torino had Juve gone so long without capturing the championship.

It is testament to the brilliance of Moggi’s Triade containing Antonio Giraudo and Roberto Bettega, as well as coaching arrival Marcello Lippi, that Juventus immediately broke this negative trend to roar home to the 1994-95 Scudetto. During the next 12 years, Moggi’s Juventus dominated Italian football by winning a total of seven Scudetti – also taking home a Champions League, Intercontinental Cup and European Supercup among other honours.

The situation in 1994 for Juventus was not too dissimilar to that now. Although the squad Moggi inherited from departing trainer Giovanni Trapattoni boasted many stars such as the two Baggios (Roberto and Dino) and the two Germans (Juergen Kohler and Andreas Moeller) – and was far superior to Gigi Del Neri’s current roster – Moggi faced many familiar challenges. He was up against arguably the greatest ever Milan generation – who had dominated Europe for five years, won three Scudetti on the bounce, and just humiliated Johan Cruyff’s Barcelona ‘Dream Team’ 4-0 in the Champions League final in Athens. Yet some of the Rossoneri’s stalwarts, such as Franco Baresi and Mauro Tassotti, were starting to age – a similar setting to Italy’s current four-time winners on the pitch Inter.

Juventus were shaken up. The four aforementioned star players were no longer stars. Dino Baggio left for Parma, Moeller for Dortmund, while Roberto Baggio and Kohler soon lost their places in the team and were also out of the door by the end of the season. Through signings Didier Deschamps and Ciro Ferrara, as well as a youngster by the name of Alessandro Del Piero, Moggi tore up what he succeeded and built a new dynasty.

Fast forward 17 years, and a new dynasty is exactly what Juventus supporters are crying out for again. And Moggi appears the only man capable of rebuilding a crumbled empire.

Juventus’ 2-1 defeat at Palermo last night was just further evidence of the utter incompetence that has engulfed the Corso Galileo Ferraris headquarters since Moggi left them in 2006. Such is the crisis - which has seen Del Neri’s men lose four of their last six league games, and win two in 10 in all competitions, leaving them potentially seven points outside the top four in eighth place – it will now be a surprise if a Champions League slot is salvaged in the final 15 games of the season.


Juve In 2011



Palermo 2-1 Juve - Serie A - 02/02/11
Juve 1-2 Udinese - Serie A - 30/01/11
Samp 0-0 Juve - Serie A - 23/01/11
Juve 2-1 Bari - Serie A - 16/01/11
Napoli 3-0 Juve - Serie A - 09/01/11
Juve 1-4 Parma - Serie A - 06/01/11

Much was made of the disastrous four years ‘work’ by former transfer chief Alessio Secco, but his heir Giuseppe Marotta has proven every bit as inept, if not worse. Despite forking out a whopping €57 million last summer on 11 new players, Marotta has loaded the squad with loan signings. To the extent that Juve will have to part with €49.5m in June just to make the deals of Fabio Quagliarella, Alessandro Matri, Alberto Aquilani and Simone Pepe permanent. That is almost €50m just to ensure Juve are as uncompetitive in 2011-12 as they have been in 2010-11. Needless to say there will be limited transfer funds available on top of this – especially in the event of finishing outside the top four.

Now imagine what Moggi would have done with €107m at his disposal. The market magician who masterminded the swap of Inter’s Italy captain Fabio Cannavaro for reserve goalkeeper Fabian Carini (pictured, right), signed Edgar Davids for €3.5m, Adrian Mutu for free, and used the money received from Real Madrid for Zinedine Zidane to purchase three world class stars in Gianluigi Buffon, Lilian Thuram and Pavel Nedved. Luciano would have made Juventus champions in two years.

Despite this outlay, Juventus limp on without an adequate full-back and devoid of a left midfielder altogether. This brings us onto the ineptitude of Marotta’s former Sampdoria buddy Luigi Del Neri, who not for the first time in his career has proven to be out of his depth coaching a top club.

For a while the 60-year-old seemed to have rediscovered the traditional fighting spirit of the Bianconeri, as they embarked on a long unbeaten run before Christmas, but as the going got tough with Quagliarella’s injury in the new year Del Neri has displayed all his limitations.

A good coach doesn’t enforce an unsuitable formation on his team, but that is exactly what the Peter Sellers-lookalike has insisted with his beloved 4-4-2 - a system that requires width on both flanks. Juventus have been fielding just one winger for the entire campaign, and it is no surprise that an exhausted Milos Krasic is now being doubled up on by opponents who realise there is no threat from the other side. When Jose Mourinho marched in at Inter in 2008, he conceded after a few games that his favoured 4-3-3 couldn’t work.

Just one example of why Del Neri is not in the same bracket as The Special One. Another is substitutions. You can always spot a good coach by his ability to read how a match is developing and the in-game changes he decides as a result. Going for the win against Udinese on Sunday night, Del Neri’s first switch with six minutes to go was to replace the creative Alberto Aquilani with Momo ‘can’t pass six yards’ Sissoko. A minute later Alexis Sanchez scored the winner for the visitors.

Last night, 2-1 down at the Renzo Barbera, it was a similar story as Aquilani was again swapped with Sissoko after 66 minutes. Juve were utterly dominant at the time and an equaliser seemed inevitable, but they lost their fluency after the introduction of the pass-master and barring a Salvatore Sirigu save on Jorge Martinez created nothing thereafter.

Unfortunately for Juve fans, a Moggi return seems unlikely. Although his ban from football ends this year, the Italian Football Federation will likely do everything in their power to stop him from returning. Anyone who has researched the 2006 Calciopoli scandal will tell you that it was the biggest farce in the history of Italian sport – an injustice that Juventus are paying for dearly. The FIGC know this themselves, but any admission of this swindle (and the decisions/punishment/compensation as a result) to the world would make Serie A even more of a laughing stock than it already supposedly was back in 2006. Calciopoli badly damaged Calcio’s image, and it is only now – five years later – that it is starting to really recover financially and sportingly. Imagine the view of the football community, sponsors, advertisers, players, clubs, leagues, if it was disclosed what really happened? For this reason, Moggi will most probably remain the scapegoat.

And if he doesn’t, he will face opposition from the hidden hand who really controls Juventus. Although Moggi is close to president Andrea Agnelli, it is Fiat and Exor chairman John Elkann who calls all the shots in Turin. Anyone who has studied post-Calciopoli boardroom politics at Vinovo will attest that Moggi and Elkann are not exactly the best of friends!

So the odds are against a Moggi return, but then of course there is the wish of the fans who dearly love the Siena-native and have the power to demand change.
whether you like Carlo or not, the fucking article is SPOT ON !!!!!

We need Moggi, because only he can bring this team back from its coma
 

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