Luciano Moggi (2 Viewers)

[JCK]

Ohh, so you live in a different dimension?

what do you mean exactly?

I have excellent replies for both questions

Why did you delete it?

Because I want to be more civilized than gsol.

 

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[Mark]

Was there a suspicious game(vs Samp?) where they said we won but in fact the result was a tie?

 

[jukazem]

Ohh, so you live in a different dimension?


DA!

What? Your so confusing; I thought you didn't believe in Belgium.

 

[JCK]

What? Your so confusing; I thought you didn't believe in Belgium.

All Belgian cops believe that too.

 

[gsol]

Was there a suspicious game(vs Samp?) where they said we won but in fact the result was a tie?

no we lost 1-0 after Diana scored from an offside position but yes that was an investigated game.

 

[Alen]

They were actually saying that one of the Samp players got a yellow in order to be suspended for the match vs Juve. And then they said that we won that match against Sampdoria.

It turned out that the Samp player wasn't suspended and he played against us, and it also turned out that we lost that match at home and after that match Milan caught us in the standings.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

What? Your so confusing; I thought you didn't believe in Belgium.

I don't, but I don't believe in cops either.

 

[gsol]

Alen I think you got the signals crossed with the Udinese-Bologna match where they stated Pinzi (and another player that I can't remember) were given yellows and suspended for our match.

Both were booked but not suspended and faced Juve.

The original Samp accusation was that we won 1-0 (according to the informative initially presented). When it was pointed out that Juve lost 1-0 the game changed to Juventus-Samp where Juve won 3-1. In any case the dates no longer coincided, the referee names no longer coincided, etc.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Dude, you make no sense.

You are saying some players should have been suspended but weren't?

Come on man....like the league would allow that. That has nothing to do with the refs.

 

[Mark]

I think he meant that in the sentence they stated that these players missed the Juve game because of accumulated yellows and because of the "Moggi system" but in fact they never reached the yellow card limit and did play the game vs Juve.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

So what's the fuckin' problem.

 

[Mark]

The problem is if what gsol is saying is true about that game (I'll check later) then they accused Moggi for doing something that didn't happen.

Not sure if that's what he meant though. Sounds too far fetched and amateurish.

 

[gsol]

Farfetched but correct. I remember one player being Pinzi. There were two however. The accusation claimed that they were suspended for the Juve match but they actually played. The accusation was eventually dropped.

Amateur pretty much sums up the entire legal proceeding.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Come on, you can't change anything, let it go....

 

[Vinman]

Most Juve fans I am in contact with, by that I mean in Italy still support and admire him. Accepting the reality of italy social and political history.

The only ones who seem not to are their transatlantic and distant cousins found on this web site. You'd think of was a Milan site if you casualy dropped in.

agreed....most Juve fans still believe in Moggi, as do I

But it should happen. He should also pay the club lots of money as compensation for his filthy actions. As for the image of the club there is nothing he can do to clear it unfortunately but I'll be satisfied seeing him behind bars after paying compensations.

please explain to me exactly what he did to warrant such a response

Those who established it are Vinman, Cronios, Andy, gsol, Badass_Devil and Turk.

I dont recall saying you werent a true fan (I could be mistaken), but I think you talk alot of rubbish to get under peoples skin

I'm not gonna try to change peoples views on that matter because I don't hold the truth. I respect everybody's opinion on this subject. The thing that really bothered me was they way that short process was made and the result.

Was Moggi a saint? Hell no.
Do I think he bought refs? No.
Is anything happening now any different than what happened in the past concerning ref "mistakes"? Nope.

What leads me to believe that something was fishy is that we had a packed club and every team crapped their pants when they met us. Juve had the most players in the 2006 WC final. We had a coach that was made for winning championships. Now about inter. Finding out they weren't involved in this made my suspicions even greater when I found out about the ties between Rossi, Moratti, Telecom and cie.

Yes, it's all speculation and conspiracies theories but why should I believe in the sporting system in Italy when you see that shit every day in politics and business?

perfectly put, Marco !!

In the end guys these are all old arguments and I hardly have the motivation to repeat them all over again in another forum.

In the end Illecito Strutturato/Articolo Strutturato/Illecito Ambientale were terms coined during the trial that had never existed before. They summarized a series of petty crimes in order to convict for a capital crime.
The end result is that Juventus were relegated for attempting to alter the standings and that no attempt was made to alter an individual match. It is a gross contradiction.

We got fucked.

yes we certainly did, by a half-fast kangaroo court

the entire process was more fake than a WWE wrestling event...it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure this all out

Jack, or anyone else against Moggi, please tell me exactly what Juve matches you believe we didnt actually win, but were assisted to the three points ? Our team was the best in Serie A for those years , hands down....ask the players if what they did on the field wasnt real, but controlled by Moggi, and I guarantee any and all past and present Juve players will tell you that everything was earned through blood, sweat, tears, and extremely hard work !!

dont discredit our champions

 

[Bjerknes]

I'd like to see where I said Jack wasn't a true fan.

If he finds a post, I'll apologize. If he doesn't, I won't.

 

[Enron]

This is still going on?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Drew, I think I remember that.

 

[Bjerknes]

What I recall saying is that supporters should have the right to criticize their team.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You probably did, I was just messing with you.