Lorenzo Ariaudo (4 Viewers)
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well i am off to work. Andy, I trust you will hold down this thread in my absence?
Really, what was the point of that? Why go through all of the trouble to put someone down and for what reason? Not sure what I did to you besides disagree on the loan thing. All well, no use getting into an argument, I will let you be the one to stoop that low.
Yeah, I am curious as to what was the point of it myself. Not sure he has a point, pretty much the same as the rest of his posts.
You seem to be my only "friend" Andy.....
I guess the fact you live less than 2 hours away probably doesn't mean anything to Esteban.
Yeah, I am curious as to what was the point of it myself. Not sure he has a point, pretty much the same as the rest of his posts.
You seem to be my only "friend" Andy.....
I guess the fact you live less than 2 hours away probably doesn't mean anything to Esteban.
Reserve leagues are not the ultimate solution. In Belgium, there is a bogus reserve championship but the level of those matches are quite low and players don't put much effort into it. The teams are made of a couple of youngsters, first team rejects and long term injured players getting back to fitness.
I like the German system better, where reserve teams are put in the lower leagues and are banned from promoting. This gives your youngsters playing time against real senior players, with hard tackles and all instead of some pussy sunday league reserve game.
Of course, the solution only goes so far, you'd still have to make the players jump from Serie C to Serie A.
I like the German system better, where reserve teams are put in the lower leagues and are banned from promoting. This gives your youngsters playing time against real senior players, with hard tackles and all instead of some pussy sunday league reserve game.
Of course, the solution only goes so far, you'd still have to make the players jump from Serie C to Serie A.
First of all I am against loaning him, but I definitely not against the loan system overall. Consider the smaller clubs that loan fringe( fringe not young) to survive a relegation fight or increase their depth.
I understand that your point is playing time at juventus. But for me the biggest point for dismissing the loan idea for players like Ariaudo is because the mental factors, training regimes than actual playing time.
About the faith in the youth players and loaning. I've seen it mentioned that had gio and Marchisio stayed with us then maybe we wouldn't need imports like Diego and Melo. Well, Palladino was supposed to be the next big thing and he played wonderfully in Serie B just like those two did. We placed a lot of faith in him and he let us down. Maybe because he was loaned out as youngster or whatever, he had two full years in the team and failed to assert himself.
We couldn't and cannot afford to sit around and build a team from scratch. We need to win because this team needed to get back to its stature asap or then we wouldn't be talking the scudetto but about reaching the CL. As good as both gio and marchisio were they still needed a lot of developing last year. Since they are great talents we cannot take that chance of putting too much pressure on them. Look at Criscito, he just crumbled and lost all confidence because that douche threw him in the deep end.
It all depends on the player and how much confidence he has as well. Gio, Marchi and De Ceglie all had the confidence in their own abilities to know they would get called back. Memmo didn't and thats why he prefers Genoa where its a safer environment with less pressure.
Anyway, i hope he stays because I liked what I saw last year and hopefully he would improve even more. Who would've thought he would get games last year, so you never know this year (even though the chances are remote).
I understand that your point is playing time at juventus. But for me the biggest point for dismissing the loan idea for players like Ariaudo is because the mental factors, training regimes than actual playing time.
About the faith in the youth players and loaning. I've seen it mentioned that had gio and Marchisio stayed with us then maybe we wouldn't need imports like Diego and Melo. Well, Palladino was supposed to be the next big thing and he played wonderfully in Serie B just like those two did. We placed a lot of faith in him and he let us down. Maybe because he was loaned out as youngster or whatever, he had two full years in the team and failed to assert himself.
We couldn't and cannot afford to sit around and build a team from scratch. We need to win because this team needed to get back to its stature asap or then we wouldn't be talking the scudetto but about reaching the CL. As good as both gio and marchisio were they still needed a lot of developing last year. Since they are great talents we cannot take that chance of putting too much pressure on them. Look at Criscito, he just crumbled and lost all confidence because that douche threw him in the deep end.
It all depends on the player and how much confidence he has as well. Gio, Marchi and De Ceglie all had the confidence in their own abilities to know they would get called back. Memmo didn't and thats why he prefers Genoa where its a safer environment with less pressure.
Anyway, i hope he stays because I liked what I saw last year and hopefully he would improve even more. Who would've thought he would get games last year, so you never know this year (even though the chances are remote).
My point is, integrating our players into our first team...whether subbing in or getting some starts in coppa or against smaller teams. You can't blame anyone but Ranieri for Criscito failing, and everytime one of our youngsters makes a mistake its not fair to just loan them. What do you think that does to their confidence? They are already intimidated, but dying to play well as they love the club, its a kick in the teeth knowing if you have a bad game or two that you will get loaned out. He played extraordinarily well at Genoa, and had he been given the proper support and development here, he would have played that well for us too.
