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adelove

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Sep 29, 2003
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With our acquisitions seemingly complete, including Caceres, all we have left to discuss in Mercato terms is Who will be shown the door, or loaned.

Looking at the squad:
GK
Buffon, Manninger, Chimenti, Kirev

LB
Sali, Molinaro, De Ceglie

RB
Zebina, Grygera

CB

Chiellini, Legro, Cannavaro, Caceres, Ariuado

CM+DM

Melo, Momo, Zanetti, Tiago, Marchisio, Almiron, Poulsen

AM
Diego, Camo, Giovinco

Strikers
Del Piero, Trez, Iaquinta, Amauri

I am happy to see Sali take the left back spot and have De Ceglie challenge him for the role. Zebina can possibly claim the right back spot, again, Sali could challenge him there if he loses his left back spot to De Ceglie. Molinaro and Grygera are the clear weak links in defence, and I wouldn't mind either of them leaving. It would raise the average level of our squad.

In midfield, We have plenty of muscle, too much really. Almiron is the last in the pecking order, and must be sold. Poulsen, it seems will also be sold, and it makes sense if he is not part of Ciro's plans. Selling those two would leave us with zanetti, melo, momo, tiago, camo, marchisio, competing for three positions. two players for each position...Perfect.

Daud has gone on loan somewhere, and I read now that Ariuado is on his way to livorno...And what of Iago? will he remain at the club to train with the first team and perhaps get the odd minute here and there???

Certain to leave:
poulsen
almiron

I would like to see leave:
Grygera
Molinaro

Potential loans out:
Ariuado
Iago
Looks like we're well-covered at LB and CB...makes me curious as to what exactly Caceres' role will be
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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#43
Almiron and Poulsen are goners, for sure.


But all I want is us selling Grygera and signing a good capable RB.
 

adelove

The Very Special One
Sep 29, 2003
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#47
Rumours say they did if it really happened I guess we never know
i know they were rumoured 2 want him last season but i don't remember anything about them throwing in eto as part of the deal...well, like u said i guess we'll never know....(except maybe when secco/beguirstan write their memoirs)
 

Adrian

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Jan 31, 2003
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#48
almiron and poulsen only.

as for the full backs, if we are going to rely on sali and zebina all season to start, we are screwed. grygera is good enough back up and molinaro we have no choice, i think the club loves this guy.

For me, I would like to see caceres tried at right back and De Ceglie at left back.

Would love to develop Marchisio, Giovinco, Caceres and De Ceglie this season.
 
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    Hey, at least you're towing the line of how the United States continues to wage war on the 1st Amendment.




    Go sell some coke, junky.

    And screw your thread.
    Oh my dear, Teeth! Do we really have to go through this again, and again, and again? OK, one last time, if it makes you happy...and only because its a full moon here tonight and I am feeling even more bestial than normal, and so I can relate to you more easily, and warmly. hohoho!

    Now, again, I am persuaded that despite your mighty word play, your age is below 14, and you live in a weird world, far removed from the world shared by the Majority of homosapiens. SOmeone ought to explain to you, that Weed and Coke, and Junk, are very different poisons. I would never touch junk. Not through the injection method anyhow...though I have always quite liked the idea of smoking some opium, high in the himalayas, with a group of enlightened gurus, who resonate tranquility and fine humour...but...I doubt that will ever happen. As for the Coke, yes I have used it several times in my life...but at 30 years old...'several times' in no way qualifies me as a CokeFiend, nor a Dealer...These differences are important. Because in this world, there are some lovely drug people...Whether they are drinkers, cokefiends, mushroom addicts, whatever...I generally draw a line AGAINST PillHeads, as Feelings are important to me, more important than anything else. And I hate, with burning passion, meeting a person one night, and feeling like for some reason they instantly adore me, then seeing them in the street a week later, and receiving only a curt, tepid, Hello, and swift goodbye, when I greet them. Pillheads...ANyway...As i was saying. There are some amazingly talented, and simply lovely, drug people, drunks or whatever. As well as a horrible number of nasty drug people. The same goes for the non drug people...

    If you go through your life, assuming all drug people are in some way worthy of your anger, and insults, you are cutting yourself off from a portion of SOciety, a massive portion of society, which is responsible for a massive portion of the Fine Artistic achievements of humanity, whether they be writers, musicians, poets, actors, etc etcetc...

    Of the group of humans I most revere, most of whom are now dead, several were drug people. Hunter S Thompson, without doubt one of the finest wordsmiths every to dip a quill. Charles Bukowksi, a man who embraced The Now like no other I have come across, in myth or history...King Fyodor was a gambler, and perhaps also a drinker. Anyway, enough of this. I was trying to respond to you, with sense, and usefulness.

    But lets finish this attempt to ease the weight on your shoulders, to soothe your soul, and offer my hand of friendship and forgiveness.... As you say 'screw your thread', then follow on, true to your own words, and continue to add your views to the thread.

    Though I am tempted to ask if you are Martin Bormann's son?
     
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    Lo-Pan

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    But back to the thread...I was reading about Almiron earlier this evening. An old post written on a Lazio forum, by an Inter fan, who predicted his future, perfectly. This chap was suggesting that Inter or Juve were too big a team for him to sign for, because the pressure would likely be too great for him to be able to show the definite quality he has. He went on to say that he will last a few games, then be loaned out. And lastly, the main reason he performed so admirably at Empoli, was that the the only real pressure came from the Ultras. He was the Main Main, the Maestro and MischiefMaker in Chief...and played in a 3 man midfield..

    I didn't see much of him when he was at Empoli. Hardly anything in fact, as that year I was going through a prolonged, wretched irrepairable fracture with a nuble gallic bitchprincess. My mind, was otherwise engaged.

    How good was he at Empoli? And did he play in a 3 man midfield? If this is so, perhaps he could do a Tiago? And suddenly, in a new formation, with a new coach, breathing encouragement into his fragile soul, he could show us all why it was Juve came knocking at his door in the first place?

    I know he didn't do great things in FLorence last season, but he didnt get much of a chance there, or did he?
     

    Juventino[RUS]

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    But back to the thread...I was reading about Almiron earlier this evening. An old post written on a Lazio forum, by an Inter fan, who predicted his future, perfectly. This chap was suggesting that Inter or Juve were too big a team for him to sign for, because the pressure would likely be too great for him to be able to show the definite quality he has. He went on to say that he will last a few games, then be loaned out. And lastly, the reasons he perform so admirably at Empoli, are the only real pressure he has is from the Ultras. He is the Main Main...and plays in a 3 man midfield..

    I didn't see much of him when he was at Empoli. Hardly anything in fact, as that year I was going through a prolonged, wretched irrepairable fracture with a nuble gallic bitchprincess. My mind, was otherwise engaged.

    How could was he at Empoli? And did he play in a 3 man midfield? If this is so, perhaps he could do a Tiago? And suddenly, in a new formation, with a new coach, breathing encouragement into his fragile soul, he could show us all why it was Juve came knocking at his door in the first place?

    I know he didn't do great things in FLorence last season, but he didnt get much of a chance there, or did he?
    Almiron is really good player, with good first pass, long pass etc., he wasn't bad or worst player @ Juve, stupid Ranieri ruined his career in our team, that's it!He played 10 games in juve and score 1 goal vs. Parma @ coppa italia, when we won 3-1 away, he made some good assists, but Ranieri prefer to play Nocerino - Zanetti, damn he played whole season long with Nocerino as main squad player(he scored 0 goals and made 0 assists!!!) to switch him in summer on Amauri!!In Monaco Sergio have good stat's too, 11 games 2 goals, i though last season he'll be great in FIO, but Prandelli didn't use him, and again 11 games 3 goals for FIO too.....he still 29 years old, and he is not over, he just need right team to play in and he will prove his skills again i bet'cha!!
     
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    Lo-Pan

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    Juventino, would you rather see him sold outright, and given the chance to enjoy himself and carve a career out at another club, or loaned, given the chance to refind his flow, and prove to Ciro, that in fact, he can still be a useful player for us, in the future.

    After the very sudden change, in both Tiago, AND Zebina, though the latter was injured for much of Ranieri's tenure, with the arrival of Ciro, it would be interesting to see just what Almiron could do for us, and also, Poulsen. Though, it seems the decisions have already been taken to force them out of the club.
     

    Juventino[RUS]

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    Juventino, would you rather see him sold outright, and given the chance to enjoy himself and carve a career out at another club, or loaned, given the chance to refind his flow, and prove to Ciro, that in fact, he can still be a useful player for us, in the future.

    After the very sudden change, in both Tiago, AND Zebina, though the latter was injured for much of Ranieri's tenure, with the arrival of Ciro, it would be interesting to see just what Almiron could do for us, and also, Poulsen. Though, it seems the decisions have already been taken to force them out of the club.
    He was good in small teams, so loan to Bari will be good for both sides, he can prove that he is still good for Juve....:tup:
     

    Adrian

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    Almiron was just another player who suffered under Ranieri. The team and tactics didnt suit his game.

    Can he be of some use to the team? Possibly he can, but where do you stop? Even if Pouslen is sold, we still have melo, sissoko, marchisio, tiago and zanetti. Even with injuries we still have a lot.
     

    Juventino[RUS]

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    Almiron was just another player who suffered under Ranieri. The team and tactics didnt suit his game.

    Can he be of some use to the team? Possibly he can, but where do you stop? Even if Pouslen is sold, we still have melo, sissoko, marchisio, tiago and zanetti. Even with injuries we still have a lot.
    I think everyone can't understand, why Tiago and Almiron was signed and didn't player together full match in 07/08 season!!!CR prefer Nocerino - Zanetti then Tiago - Almiron , and main reason was that Tiago out of fit, and unplayable in full Serie A season(but on 2nd season,when tiago became first XI player because of injuries Tiago of cuz, but he showed that he is really goood), and Almiron didn't play good in defence like Nocerino did in that season o_O I think Nocerino and Almiron hate Ruinieri more than anyone in this world!Oh, don't forget about Palladino!He was really magic in Serie B, yes Serie A absolutely another level, but Ranieri 'killed' him with substitution role on left wing,just to replace Neddy, same shit was last season with Giovinco, who said 122394234 time that he don't wanna to play on left wing but CR didn't listen him......oh let's forget about Ruineiri, anyway he gift us good moments 2-1 vs. inter, 2 time smashed real m, 4-2 3-2 ownage vs. milan, 4-1 vs. roma etc. , but he was so stupid with unchanged tactic 442........and sometimes i think that we won that notable games just because of our really world class players and their mentality of the winners........ nothin else......so let's see how Almiron will play in Bari , i'll support him !
     
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    Lo-Pan

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    Almiron was just another player who suffered under Ranieri. The team and tactics didnt suit his game.

    Can he be of some use to the team? Possibly he can, but where do you stop? Even if Pouslen is sold, we still have melo, sissoko, marchisio, tiago and zanetti. Even with injuries we still have a lot.
    I am with you on this one, Adrian. I guess I am just feeling sorry for Poulsen and Almiron. As they are not failures in the way that Molinaro, Grygera and MArchionni are failures. In a way, Juve have failed the dutch man of war and argentine playmaker, more than they have failed Juve. Which is a shame, for both the club and players. As you say though, we cannot keep everyone. The squad needs two players for every position of our main formation, and we have far more than that amount of adequate cover, for our midfield, hence the likely, almost certain departures of the two in question.

    Still..at least we are keeping ONE of the previous failures under Ranieri, Tiago, and he still has the chance to prove his worth.

    So far, is our only major loan OUT, Ekdal?
     

    Adrian

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    Two players must be able to cover one position for sure, some cover more than just one position.

    The other side to it all is making sure the squad has players that can play in different tactics/formations. I think we have this covered also.
     

    Antonio1

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    Oct 3, 2004
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    Lets not forget Almiron was loaned out to Fiorentina and played a largely uneventful and ineffectual season. He has had his chance and is a dud in my opinion and we will be lucky to get any money for him.

    Poulsen is a decent player but he is just surplus to requirements here and he is the only player we are selling who we can command a fee for. We have spent serious money this year and any cash we can get in is a bonus. If we could sell him for 6mill euros plus i would be happy as its some income for the club.
     
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