Lockerbie bomber released (10 Viewers)

Red

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I don't think America are picking on BP because they are British, though it may be because they aren't American.

I'm defending BP, because I think they are being overly criticised.

And I will defend the right of the Scottish and British Governments to make decisions without having to justify themselves to America.
 

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Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
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I don't think America are picking on BP because they are British, though it may be because they aren't American.

I'm defending BP, because I think they are being overly criticised.

And I will defend the right of the Scottish and British Governments to make decisions without having to justify themselves to America.
That i definitely agree with.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I think this point escapes the average American, but then it is easier to put the blame all on the huge British oil company rather than the smaller American companies and staff that were directly operating at the time. I can understand that from the average citizen, but it's also the stand from the US president and senators, I guess politicians like to deflect shit with elections up this year.
What do you know about the subcontractors who helped build the rig? Can you actually name these companies? Do you have any idea what you're talking about at all?

Some reading material for you:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-bp-oil-plumes,0,2578252.story

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ped_unusual_chemicals_into_well_b.php?ref=fpi

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0720/bp-contaminate-gulf-scientists-trial/

http://www.examiner.com/x-55379-Tam...xit-coverup-will-we-ever-know-the-truth-video

It's BP's rig. It's BP's problem. It was not the local Americans who decided to run and build the rig, but rather the head engineers and management of BP. The corporation is still headquartered in St. James Square and is primarily a British company. So therefore, while it isn't the fault of the British people per se, BP is primarily their company.

I know it must hurt to see your shareholders and pensioners take a hit because of this, and you might feel like you have some stupid duty to defend their dumbasses, but the fact of the matter is they are shareholders and therefore take the risk of investing in said company. They do not deserve a bailout because they share the firm's risk, and they certainly don't deserve to be defended in any sort of way if you have felt financial loss because of this disaster. Millions of business along the Gulf Coast have taken a hit because of BP's negligence, so those who hold the stock should suffer. That's the purpose of a free market.

It's always the "Average Americans" fault for every single little thing that happens in this world. Well not this time, no sir.

And in reality, you, along with your stupid British pensioners, are just as average and imbecilic as your average American. So as Paul used to say, sell that shit to the tourists.


Thats bullshit, it has nothing to do with the fact that BP's a British company
Don't tell JJ. He's an average Brit. He doesn't understand this stuff.

Who is saying anything about bowing down?
They should and probably will face litigation for the Gulf of Mexico problems.

We are talking about their connection to the Lockerbie bomber being released, and it seems that the accusations of them playing a part in that are only being made because of everything that has gone on with the oil leak.
HORSE SHIT.

You can check back in this very same thread and notice these allegations have been around long before the BP retardation spill in the gulf. I've commented on them, exposed American TV pundits for the hypocrites they are, and acknowledged that this was probably a BP operation... all in 2009.

So no, you're wrong. Read up on this situation.

Why are you guys being so defensive about it? Is it because its British?
That's the only reason.

What JJ and Red fail to understand is that the same outrage regarding the BP retardation leak was seen in the Exxon-Valdez oil spill, which decimated the Alaskan coastline. They were a very hated company at the time despite being American.

What it boils down to is that Red and JuveJay don't know anything about history.


Wouldn't exactly be the first or last people here to give a domestic view on events, all I am really doing is adding another side to the argument. Andy's view is that of an American, and that also has bias, but it doesn't mean that either side can incorrectly interpret facts. Those are that yes, BP has a huge responsibility, needs to take the bad with the good, but I find the attitude of several senators and American companies involved as extremely shabby, like not meeting their moral and financial responsibilities. When this is over I hope BP remember that.
I don't think this post makes any sense.

The "moral and financial responsibility" Congress have is in actually trying to press charges against BP, or upholding laws that penalize BP for gallons of crude spilled into open US waters. They also have a duty in protecting the US economy from disasters, which includes a major GDP hit to the Gulf Coast.

This is simply BP propaganda. And the funny thing is, some Senators supposedly have ties with BP interests as it is, so your post is funny.

And the other funny thing is that I don't even really care about the Gulf coast or Southern states, but you lot make me defend them. Why? because you're full of BS.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Moral obligation? Really? :lol: Red says the US shouldn't question the release of a terrorist who killed several American people. Is that really the moral thing to do... release a murderer who killed 179 US citizens?

You folks are ass-backwards.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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Moral obligation? Really? :lol: Red says the US shouldn't question the release of a terrorist who killed several American people. Is that really the moral thing to do... release a murderer who killed 179 US citizens?

You folks are ass-backwards.
You have a lot of faith in the Scottish justice system, on appearance he would have won an appeal and therefore been Innocent. Of course be convicted/acquitted doesn't mean you did it in fact, it's just what a court has proven or failed to prove.

Does Ireland have a right to question the actions of the United States? If we do, then we demand whoever took part in rendition flight through our country be prosecuted and sent to the hague to stand trial for war crimes and breaches of state sovereignty.





Just in

Obama approved of the release :lol:

Ah America, ye aren't even trying anymore!
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I'm going to stop here, because I don't think you have understood anything I have said in this thread, Andy.

As usual, you are going with the belief that everyone must be 100% for or against someone, and that is almost never the case.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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What it boils down to is that Red and JuveJay don't know anything about history.
Hahaha, if only you knew how fucking stupid that sentence is.

I think I'll read more LA Times articles, maybe the New Orleans Post, then I'll have a more balanced view of what is happening, like Andy. BP used 'unusual' chemicals? BP is hiring scientists as consultants?! What a ridiculous idea. It would be nice if you posted the official BP line on that story too. I've read these stories before, you know, even us imbecilic Brits have news networks, the difference is they look at the broader spectrum rather than just finding out what they can blame BP for.

It's BP's rig. It's BP's problem. It was not the local Americans who decided to run and build the rig, but rather the head engineers and management of BP. The corporation is still headquartered in St. James Square and is primarily a British company. So therefore, while it isn't the fault of the British people per se, BP is primarily their company.
Ever heard of a company called Transocean, the company actually operating the rig? You might not have done because they have been awfully quiet in these last few months, almost as if the focus was elsewhere. I suppose if I mow 10 people down in my car it's Audi's fault. But credit to them, they are a small company in comparison but at least they have started to responded to their financial and technical obligations. The Japanese and American partners were quite happy to let BP take it on the chin.

It's always the "Average Americans" fault for every single little thing that happens in this world. Well not this time, no sir.
Slightly revisionist, as you would say, from me saying the average American doesn't understand, to you saying average Americans are blamed for every ill in the world. Very defensive. But just keep slinging the insults, because you are certainly making the average American look better for it.

You don't need to defend the Southern states, because no one is attacking them. They are the helpless victims in all of this - a minority of companies aside - I don't have a problem with people or states or countries, I have a problem with media bias bullshit.

As for Abdelbaset al-Megrahi himself, do you think that when the decision was taken to release him that those involved didn't take into account the potentially poor international (US) response? If doctors believed he would be dead soon then that is their diagnosis, but as we well know, sometimes people live longer, sometime a lot longer. Usually that is a blessing for families, but not here because of the crimes. In this case it has given more ammo to attack BP. Really that is moving away from the point; the severity of Lockerbie itself and the Deepwater Horizon disaster, it's sad that they are even mentioned together.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I'm going to stop here, because I don't think you have understood anything I have said in this thread, Andy.

As usual, you are going with the belief that everyone must be 100% for or against someone, and that is almost never the case.
:tdown:

Don't be a pussy with those middle grounds of yours. Make a choice, NOW!!!

BP...Good or bad?
 

Red

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:tdown:

Don't be a pussy with those middle grounds of yours. Make a choice, NOW!!!

BP...Good or bad?
They have acted poorly in relation to the oil spill.

They don't appear to have done anything wrong in relation to the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

That, apparently, is a completely stupid and incomprehensible point of view.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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They have acted poorly in relation to the oil spill.

They don't appear to have done anything wrong in relation to the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

That, apparently, is a completely stupid and incomprehensible point of view.
I asked for a 1 word answer :disagree:

Stop trying to bring colors in a black&white world.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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So whats new here? Libyan newspapers(yeah we have newspapers now, yipee) are saying that it turns out Megrahi was actually innocent. Didn't really read up on the subject, whats new Scots?
 

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