Libya 2011 Demonstrations (9 Viewers)
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Lol just watched a minute of it and it was all bullshit. First of all oil was barely discovered in the start of the 60's, and we only started being a major producer and exporter of oil by the mid 60's, Gedaffi took control at 1969, before the mid 60's we were one of the poorest countries in the world man, also another thing, Gedaffi wasn't bad at first, he was actually very popular among people, it was when he started hangings, executions, mass killings and all that in the 70's when people started to hate him.
We're a socialist country, so both education and healthcare are free. But both education and healthcare are absolutely terrible in Libya. Especially the latter, mate, most Libyans go to Tunisia and Egypt whenever they have a semi serious disease or sickness, even the most basic of surgical operations people have to go to those countries, also salaries in Libya are very low, especially when compared to other oil rich countries in the Arab world. Also, one thing you should know is that unlike Egypt and Tunisia, the spark that started the Libyan revolution was not economic. In 15th February the families of the victims of Abu Slim prison massacre went out to the streets to protest and ask for their son's bodies(1200 people were gunned down in that tragedy) and were violently suppressed, which made more people come out the second day, which Gedaffi's regime responded to by sending mercenaries to shoot people with live ammunition in the streets.
We're a socialist country, so both education and healthcare are free. But both education and healthcare are absolutely terrible in Libya. Especially the latter, mate, most Libyans go to Tunisia and Egypt whenever they have a semi serious disease or sickness, even the most basic of surgical operations people have to go to those countries, also salaries in Libya are very low, especially when compared to other oil rich countries in the Arab world. Also, one thing you should know is that unlike Egypt and Tunisia, the spark that started the Libyan revolution was not economic. In 15th February the families of the victims of Abu Slim prison massacre went out to the streets to protest and ask for their son's bodies(1200 people were gunned down in that tragedy) and were violently suppressed, which made more people come out the second day, which Gedaffi's regime responded to by sending mercenaries to shoot people with live ammunition in the streets.
Gaddafi's will:
In his testament, Gaddafi urges supporters to go on resisting. He alludes to choosing to fight and die inside Libya rather than picking the easier but, in his view, dishonourable route of exile abroad – from where, he implies, he would receive "many offers" of support.
The document, in English translation, says: "This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bin Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as a Muslim.
"Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.
"I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honourable image of its ancestors and heroes (...)
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/Wor...e_Chose_Confrontation_As_A_Badge_Of-5401.html
In his testament, Gaddafi urges supporters to go on resisting. He alludes to choosing to fight and die inside Libya rather than picking the easier but, in his view, dishonourable route of exile abroad – from where, he implies, he would receive "many offers" of support.
The document, in English translation, says: "This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bin Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as a Muslim.
"Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.
"I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honourable image of its ancestors and heroes (...)
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/Wor...e_Chose_Confrontation_As_A_Badge_Of-5401.html
Yeah, that was unpleasant. I feel sorry for Mustafa Abduljalil, he's a great man let down by some rebel fighters.
Though, I always try to watch videos of the children and elderly Gaddaffi mercenaries killed during this revolution after I watch the videos of his capture. I cannot imagine my reaction if one of my family members was killed and tortured by those mercenaries, I'd definitely won't treat Gaddaffi well if I capture him.
Though, I always try to watch videos of the children and elderly Gaddaffi mercenaries killed during this revolution after I watch the videos of his capture. I cannot imagine my reaction if one of my family members was killed and tortured by those mercenaries, I'd definitely won't treat Gaddaffi well if I capture him.
You cannot eliminate those who participated in the Libyan social life for more than 40 years. I bet thousands and thousands of the rebels were working closely with Gaddaffi over the years.
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
You cannot eliminate those who participated in the Libyan social life for more than 40 years. I bet thousands and thousands of the rebels were working closely with Gaddaffi over the years.
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
And from all of what i read, hear and saw the rebels who've been fighting in this are in the mojority Islamists, the same islamists who've been against Khadafi since 93, those are the true revolutionists.
And Abduljalil wasn't betrayed by the a few rebels, the guy put a 2Mil reward for whoever brings Khadafi dead, and first mentionning that he maybe dead, afer while that captured him alive and in the official story that he may be killed by freindly fires from his troops. We aren't that naive, the guy and the US wanted him dead, they can't risk him to stay alive because he knew too much.
In the end you said the guy will not take part of the first elected governement, he's been selling Oil markets to France, Belguim, USA, who is he and who gave him the right to do so ?.
12th October, 90 french corporate chef lead by French Minister of Commerce met with leaders of the NTC in Tripoli to conclude some deals that goes from Oil to Transport to every other field. Who gave them the right to conclude these deals ?
Do you think France, UK and the rest of the Nato were helping the rebels for the sake of human rights? Of course they looked at it from a financial point of view specially in this fucked up financial crisis. NTC? They took advantage of this to help protect the Libyan people from Gaddaffi. Without Nato forces, and French air strikes on Gaddaffi fighters, Gaddaffi would've been controlling Libya from east to west, torturing rebels and killing families. I don't see any wrong in that.
I know this, Nato intervention was necessary, but this NTC are the one who fighted they were with Khadafi and when the revolution occured they jumped the boat and claimed themselves leaders of the people revolution and started selling Lybia to the west just like Iraq, who game them the right to do so, they are not representative of the people, they didn't fight as the majority of the rebels were Islamists and yet they are concluding deals with the west, it's hypocrasy at it's finest.
Same thing happened in Iraq and you could see what's the Iraq situation now, hope Lybia's faith is better.
Same thing happened in Iraq and you could see what's the Iraq situation now, hope Lybia's faith is better.
I'm talking about the post Saddam period, They came, they took what they wanted and they are out, and Iraq is still in Chaos. The fear is the same will happen in Lybia, They concluded the deals they wanted.
If you think that this post Khadafi era will go through peacefully and smoothlu in Lybia, i have my reservations, the majority of the people is still armed, will they return their arms to the governement
, they are still a huge rift between the Islamists and the Liberals. So many aspects to take into consideration. We hope that Lybia will come through this period better but first they should eliminate those NTC hypocrite wich who are selling their country to West companies with no right to do so.
If you think that this post Khadafi era will go through peacefully and smoothlu in Lybia, i have my reservations, the majority of the people is still armed, will they return their arms to the governement
, they are still a huge rift between the Islamists and the Liberals. So many aspects to take into consideration. We hope that Lybia will come through this period better but first they should eliminate those NTC hypocrite wich who are selling their country to West companies with no right to do so.
You cannot eliminate those who participated in the Libyan social life for more than 40 years. I bet thousands and thousands of the rebels were working closely with Gaddaffi over the years.
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
According to my Libyan friends (Fred can confirm or deny this), Mustafa Abduljalil is a very respected man in Libya even during the Gaddaffi regime, he's the first member of government who opposed the Gaddaffi regime during this revolution (When Gaddaffi was still controlling the entire nation).
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Abduljalil will not take part of the first elected government simply because the man has been trying from the begining of the revolution to introduce a new system in Libya that doesn't depend on a single individual or party. He wants everybody in.
For more accurate info, I'll leave the discussion to Fred
All due respect but your post is full of incorrect info and misinterpretations. I explained how and why Abdel Jalil was appointed, the guy was hugely respected in Benghazi way before the revolution. That is why the rebels in Benghazi insisted in the first few days that they don't want anyone else other than Abdel Jalil to be the head of the new transitional council. Jebril was brought by Saif as part of his reform program too. As for A.Younes, you're right about him and theres no doubt that he was part of the Gedaffi regime not only on paper ala the other two. Though he resigned and defected from the regime before Benghazi was liberated, putting himself in great danger(there was absolutely no guarantee that Benghazi would be liberated to fast), which is why Libyans forgave Younis(Though some never forgot, as evidenced by his assassination).
Also did you not see Abdel Jalil on Al Jazeera when Mohd Gedaffi was put under house arrest and when there were strong rumors that he was killed by the rebels, he came out on Jazeera and said that if it turned out to be true he will resign and that it does not honor him to be part of a rebel movement that took revenge. Abdel Jalil is a man of law, he'd have loved to see Gedaffi on trial. The reason there are so many fake stories and covering up by the NTC and Misrata rebel leaders is because they do not want to admit that they lost control of their fighters. If you watch the videos you'd see some of the military commanders shouting to the others we have to keep him alive, but the majority not listening and not being able to control themselves from beating the living shit out of the dog.
Abdel Jalil did not put a reward on Gedaffi, the reward was put by an individual businessman in Benghazi. The reward was for bringing Gedaffi dead or alive, not only dead.
Lol at the majority of rebels being islamists, i don't blame you for thinking so, i'd have expected the same, but did you not see the popular reaction all over Libya when Ali Sallaby(most prominent Libyan Islamist) said on al Jazeera that the Libyans do not want M.Jebril and the executive board? Everyone rallied against him and for the TNC and executive board, i never expected the overwhelming majority of Libyans to side with liberals ala Jebril and Tarhouni over Sallaby.
As for the oil contracts, it was the price for the intervention, we always knew NATO wasn't intervening for humanitarian reasons, the alternative was that Benghazi was going to be wiped off the map(Saif il Islam's words). Its not as if we were benefiting from the oil before.
It is the majority of the Libyan's take on events. K.O has obviously either been closely following the Libyan issue or has been talking alot to Libyans about the subject. I agree with him on every point.