Leonardo Bonucci (508 Viewers)
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Ogbonna grouped with Bonucci for the rest of his career. 
Ogbonna is about twice the speed, twice as physical, wins twice as many headers and commits 1 error for every 4 or 5 that Bonucci commits.
Bonucci is a better sweeper, that's about it.
Ogbonna is about twice the speed, twice as physical, wins twice as many headers and commits 1 error for every 4 or 5 that Bonucci commits.
Bonucci is a better sweeper, that's about it.
He is a error prone and one of the worst positioning defenders in a game.
Definitely not worth what we payed for him.
13 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses with Ogbonna starting. 7 goals against. Not only has he not cost us a match personally but we haven't lost with him at all in Serie A.
So I don't know how you can say he could cost us a match when he's literally never done it unlike Bonucci. I just don't like players getting shit on unnecessarily. Ogbonna could turn out to be total shit but so far he's done nothing to warrant all this criticism in my eyes.
So I don't know how you can say he could cost us a match when he's literally never done it unlike Bonucci. I just don't like players getting shit on unnecessarily. Ogbonna could turn out to be total shit but so far he's done nothing to warrant all this criticism in my eyes.
The other way to look at it is we don't trust him to play important games because he's a liability.
Also half of 'costing us a match' is up to the other team to punish the mistakes
Fortunately we're often playing against some crap, slow lone striker who's being completely shut down by our entire defence, so any mistakes can be rectified before it's too late.
Also half of 'costing us a match' is up to the other team to punish the mistakes
Fortunately we're often playing against some crap, slow lone striker who's being completely shut down by our entire defence, so any mistakes can be rectified before it's too late.
Or maybe not. But until he actually fucks up in a game I think we need to relax and give him a chance.
We played Fiorentina, Napoli and 3 EL games with him starting. We gave up 1 goal. I don't know if you call those difficult.
He played LB vs. Real Madrid. That was our only loss with him starting. He was actually quite good in that game if I remember.
I don't know. I just see this constant bitching about this guy and talking about him like he's Bonucci when Bonucci literally has passed the ball to the other team's striker and the striker then scored on us. And it cost us the game.
Whereas Ogbonna hasn't come close to doing something like that. I really like his physical attributes so I want to give him a chance.
We played Fiorentina, Napoli and 3 EL games with him starting. We gave up 1 goal. I don't know if you call those difficult.
He played LB vs. Real Madrid. That was our only loss with him starting. He was actually quite good in that game if I remember.
I don't know. I just see this constant bitching about this guy and talking about him like he's Bonucci when Bonucci literally has passed the ball to the other team's striker and the striker then scored on us. And it cost us the game.
Whereas Ogbonna hasn't come close to doing something like that. I really like his physical attributes so I want to give him a chance.
You only need to watch him to see he loses concentration easily, which is a shame because he has everything else to be a top central defender, but it's a crucial part.
I'm all for giving players more time, but that sort of thing comes naturally.
If we are playing a back four then as I said before, Bonucci would be last choice for me, but I expect Ogbonna will make mistakes. At sweeper Bonucci is easily our best option. He will make mistakes, but anyone there will, and you will see that if Ogbonna ever gets a run there. The position is about responsibility and risk.
I'm all for giving players more time, but that sort of thing comes naturally.
If we are playing a back four then as I said before, Bonucci would be last choice for me, but I expect Ogbonna will make mistakes. At sweeper Bonucci is easily our best option. He will make mistakes, but anyone there will, and you will see that if Ogbonna ever gets a run there. The position is about responsibility and risk.
Well Ogbonna played 9 of his 14 Serie A matches at sweeper that's why I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt for his time here because as you said it's a position prone to errors. And he never played the position before in his career. He didn't play a single match in a back 4 as a CB for us so I don't know how we can properly judge him negatively just yet, especially since our team did not suffer at all with him at sweeper despite it being uncomfortable for him.
Of course he has his faults. I agree his concentration is not always there. It could be because at times he didn't know what the fuck was going on in a 3 man defence.
But it's not like he was getting skinned and putting in ridiculous challenges with his back to the attacker (Bonucci) or sending a striker straight in on goal (Bonucci) or failing to jump on multiple set pieces (Bonucci).
Of course he has his faults. I agree his concentration is not always there. It could be because at times he didn't know what the fuck was going on in a 3 man defence.
But it's not like he was getting skinned and putting in ridiculous challenges with his back to the attacker (Bonucci) or sending a striker straight in on goal (Bonucci) or failing to jump on multiple set pieces (Bonucci).
This guy will win the most scudettis in Serie A history (which is pretty sad). You heard it here first.
The record is 8 and Bonucci is at 4 now, he's 27 so getting 5 more is pretty doable looking at the state of Serie A. We won't sell him, so he will probably play until he's ~33 here.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciatori_plurivincitori_del_campionato_italiano
The record is 8 and Bonucci is at 4 now, he's 27 so getting 5 more is pretty doable looking at the state of Serie A. We won't sell him, so he will probably play until he's ~33 here.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciatori_plurivincitori_del_campionato_italiano