Quoted to show you that you can also attack people personally, when you lose it. And we have lost it. It's great to talk football, and whether you know it or not, I have always respected you even though I have barely involved in discussing things with you. Never called you a troll, never approved of people grouping up to mock you, never enjoyed tldr comments and gifs because go away if you don't want to read. I am totally aware that you love Juve and what you say is what you see, but as a friend, even if you see me a hater, an enemy, I don't like your way of seeing things. It's not about Bonucci or his looks, it's about you. You are never happy, you can't celebrate. This is reason enough for me to point it out. Perhaps you hadn't noticed but I had told you this before too, that it's worrying that nothing can make you happy.
As for people, even if I strongly disagree with the way they troll you, it's not a coincidence that the majority react similarly to your posts. It's partly a herd behavior, everyone is mocking him so am I, but instead of pointing your finger at them for not properly countering your arguments, have you ever asked yourself why they treat you this way? Whenever we are pissed about a bad result, you are there (at the wrong time) to remind us that you had seen it coming all along, that you knew, that time has now proven you right. Then, despite the glorious season the team had, even though you never expected them to do this well and achieve this much, even though you were wrong when dissing the board for most of their decisions at the beginning of the season, people expect you to be humble enough to admit it, you, who have always been there for us when the things hadn't worked well for the team, to remind us that "I had told you".
Everyone had the same suspicions about Bonucci, myself included. I thought he improved his game after the horrible game he had against Milan. For a young player like him who had been always subject to the fans' criticism, it was surprising to see how he reacted. He had some very good performances in our final run to win the Scudetto and he showed huge potential. Was one of the best players of the Azzurri in the Euros.
We were all worried about the defense before the season started. We ended up with the least conceded goals. The difference between you and the rest is that we were excited and happy to be proven wrong, you not much so. Even worse, you still claimed that you were right with your predictions.
Quoted to show you that you can also attack people personally, when you lose it.
I doubt anyone sees him as a reliable defender, not yet. No player was criticized as much he was (perhaps except for Borriello), but others can give credit where credit is due. You can't.
I can't see the video.
So did EVERYONE else. They can see the improvements too and it's sad that you can't.
Weren't you critical of a defense of Barzagli - Chiellini - Bonucci before the season started? Did you ever admit that you were wrong with your previous evaluations?
Do you not think that Conte can see these things at least as good as you? Why should he try to cover the defense with his tactics and not with the players he can ask the board to buy him?
Why should I focus on the first 6-7 games when everything was only about to click in a team with a new coach, new look, new players? We won the title and we had a very good defense. Of ocurse we'd all love to see our defense being strengthened even more but I personally try to fix the team's painfully obvious problems in attack, looking for someone who can finish the numerous chances we can create. The priority, imo, lies in where that functioned least: Juve need a goalscorer. It's probably a coincidence but the board and the coach seem to have similar concerns.
Chiellini's presence? I'm crazy about him but he was responsible for most of the blunders in the Azzurri defense. Bonucci had an overall better tournament. If Chiellini's presence can make Bonucci perform better than Chiellini himself, I'd think perhaps we've established the argument on a false premise.
Nothing is wrong with it. I personally can walk away when I don't agree with someone's opinion about something but there are two things I have problems with: First people who take pride in predicting the team's failures while refusing to give credit where it is due. Second people who are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.
Oh dear, is this even possible? How can you avoid an unfortunate scenario with predicting it?
Never meant to insult you. I find it extremely sad that after a great tournament Bonucci had you come here to say you were right that he was a weak defender.
Quoted to show you that you can also attack people personally, when you lose it.
[Not that I disagree with what you say.]
Only because I haven't discussed things directly with you doesn't mean I don't know your stance. I've been a member here for many years and I sure have read more than I write. I like you as a member and I consider you a friend, I never even intended my post to be about Bonucci. It was about you and what people find annoying about you. You can't change how people treat you but you can change your way of seeing things. Not to please people, but because it sucks to be pessimistic about everything and everyone.
That too, 100% true. I find it as bad.
Agreed with everything you said there except that I haven't seen you giving credit where it's due. If you had, believe me, you wouldn't have drawn this much of negative reactions to your posts.
As for people, even if I strongly disagree with the way they troll you, it's not a coincidence that the majority react similarly to your posts. It's partly a herd behavior, everyone is mocking him so am I, but instead of pointing your finger at them for not properly countering your arguments, have you ever asked yourself why they treat you this way? Whenever we are pissed about a bad result, you are there (at the wrong time) to remind us that you had seen it coming all along, that you knew, that time has now proven you right. Then, despite the glorious season the team had, even though you never expected them to do this well and achieve this much, even though you were wrong when dissing the board for most of their decisions at the beginning of the season, people expect you to be humble enough to admit it, you, who have always been there for us when the things hadn't worked well for the team, to remind us that "I had told you".
Everyone had the same suspicions about Bonucci, myself included. I thought he improved his game after the horrible game he had against Milan. For a young player like him who had been always subject to the fans' criticism, it was surprising to see how he reacted. He had some very good performances in our final run to win the Scudetto and he showed huge potential. Was one of the best players of the Azzurri in the Euros.
We were all worried about the defense before the season started. We ended up with the least conceded goals. The difference between you and the rest is that we were excited and happy to be proven wrong, you not much so. Even worse, you still claimed that you were right with your predictions.
Quoted to show you that you can also attack people personally, when you lose it.
I doubt anyone sees him as a reliable defender, not yet. No player was criticized as much he was (perhaps except for Borriello), but others can give credit where credit is due. You can't.
I can't see the video.
So did EVERYONE else. They can see the improvements too and it's sad that you can't.
Weren't you critical of a defense of Barzagli - Chiellini - Bonucci before the season started? Did you ever admit that you were wrong with your previous evaluations?
Do you not think that Conte can see these things at least as good as you? Why should he try to cover the defense with his tactics and not with the players he can ask the board to buy him?
Why should I focus on the first 6-7 games when everything was only about to click in a team with a new coach, new look, new players? We won the title and we had a very good defense. Of ocurse we'd all love to see our defense being strengthened even more but I personally try to fix the team's painfully obvious problems in attack, looking for someone who can finish the numerous chances we can create. The priority, imo, lies in where that functioned least: Juve need a goalscorer. It's probably a coincidence but the board and the coach seem to have similar concerns.
Chiellini's presence? I'm crazy about him but he was responsible for most of the blunders in the Azzurri defense. Bonucci had an overall better tournament. If Chiellini's presence can make Bonucci perform better than Chiellini himself, I'd think perhaps we've established the argument on a false premise.
Nothing is wrong with it. I personally can walk away when I don't agree with someone's opinion about something but there are two things I have problems with: First people who take pride in predicting the team's failures while refusing to give credit where it is due. Second people who are too arrogant to admit they were wrong.
Oh dear, is this even possible? How can you avoid an unfortunate scenario with predicting it?
Never meant to insult you. I find it extremely sad that after a great tournament Bonucci had you come here to say you were right that he was a weak defender.
Quoted to show you that you can also attack people personally, when you lose it.
[Not that I disagree with what you say.]
Only because I haven't discussed things directly with you doesn't mean I don't know your stance. I've been a member here for many years and I sure have read more than I write. I like you as a member and I consider you a friend, I never even intended my post to be about Bonucci. It was about you and what people find annoying about you. You can't change how people treat you but you can change your way of seeing things. Not to please people, but because it sucks to be pessimistic about everything and everyone.
That too, 100% true. I find it as bad.
Agreed with everything you said there except that I haven't seen you giving credit where it's due. If you had, believe me, you wouldn't have drawn this much of negative reactions to your posts.
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