Lars Vilks attacked by radicals in Uppsala (7 Viewers)

[Ventus]

You know what i meant dont be a fucking pedant



How do you know that? And so what, its his right to do it.

1. because of the style of the drawing maybe?

2. it's his right to offend ppl? Fine it's my right to be racist , why are racist comments banned? It's my right to deny the holocaust, but we have historians locked for that dont we

 

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[Ventus]

For the record I believe in 1 of these scenario's


1. We allow no censorship at all, this means racist comments, denying the holocuast, saying "I hate stupid muslims" etc should all be allowed" etc

2. Or we remove intentional harmful media

having half and half isnt working, as u see

 

[Enron]

LOL

art my arse, it was done to offend ppl, that was the whole purpose

Sometimes that's what art is made to do. It's mean to make a point. Sometimes it's a reflection of society or injustice, etc.

If you think art is merely pretty pictures you're very mistaken.

Actually they're fairly poor sketches. Hardly up to the standard of Westergard.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

why i ll be darned, for once i agree with both jasp and hist

 

[Ford Prefect]

1. because of the style of the drawing maybe?

2. it's his right to offend ppl? Fine it's my right to be racist , why are racist comments banned? It's my right to deny the holocaust, but we have historians locked for that dont we

1. Well from monets style of painting i would say he had a lake and flower fetish and he was painting porn and made it blurry so he didnt get arrested. Doesnt mean i am right, does it?

2. Where are racist comments banned? People can say whatever they want so far as i am concerned, if they say something i disagree with then they can expect an earful from me, because its my right to do it. I don't think we should lock up racists or holocaust deniers, i think they should be given a history/ethics lesson.

Both of your points are looking pretty mute from my where i'm looking, try again.

 

[Enron]

2. it's his right to offend ppl? Fine it's my right to be racist , why are racist comments banned? It's my right to deny the holocaust, but we have historians locked for that dont we

Racist comments aren't banned from society, they're frowned upon.

If a certain small group of people people didn't get violent every time their religion was question or parodied then the rest of the world might care when Muhammad was drawn with the body of a dog holding a sign.

 

[Bjerknes]

because the intention was to offend 1.5 billion ppl

this wasnt an atheist disproving islam. Had it been Charles D disproving islam, with logical arguments then fair enough. But he drew the pictures looking to intentionally insult muslims. Thats the point, he was looking to offend ppl, and use those pictures to do so

Thats like me walking with a shirt written "I hate (insert race)" and then after getting jumped. Claiming: "well it wasnt my fault"


freedom of speech to disprove islam = fine and it should occur

deliberate insults to offend ppl = no no

What if he believes that Muhammed was a homosexual?

It is his right to believe that, just like you have a right to say the Holocaust didn't occur.

But the real fact of the matter is people of religion cannot take a joke. Just be honest with yourselves about that, then come back to us.

For the record I believe in 1 of these scenario's


1. We allow no censorship at all, this means racist comments, denying the holocuast, saying "I hate stupid muslims" etc should all be allowed" etc

2. Or we remove intentional harmful media

having half and half isnt working, as u see

If you want to go around denying the Holocaust, go right ahead. It's only illegal in Germany as far as I know.

You'll just look like an idiot in doing so because the facts are there was indeed a holocaust, while there is no proof at all an Allah exists.

 

[Ford Prefect]

For the record I believe in 1 of these scenario's


1. We allow no censorship at all, this means racist comments, denying the holocuast, saying "I hate stupid muslims" etc should all be allowed" etc

2. Or we remove intentional harmful media

having half and half isnt working, as u see

That is what we should have, and its more or less what we do have.

 

[Ford Prefect]

What if he believes that Muhammed was a homosexual?

It is his right to believe that, just like you have a right to say the Holocaust didn't occur.

But the real fact of the matter is people of religion cannot take a joke. Just be honest with yourselves about that, then come back to us.



If you want to go around denying the Holocaust, go right ahead. It's only illegal in Germany as far as I know.

You'll just look like an idiot in doing so because the facts are there was indeed a holocaust, while there is no proof at all an Allah exists.

Austria have also made it illegal

 

[Bjerknes]

If some folks got their way, the entire world would have to live under a one-world Islamic Fascist government.

Lets just say that would not be very fun.

 

[Ventus]

point 1

first of all freedom of speech doesn't exsist

I already mentioned about the holocaust denier who went to jail because of it.

but even here in the uk:

1. talk about homosexuality is wrong, is illegal
2. talk about about caliphate is illegal

and the list goes on

my point is, that if we make one freedom of speech claim, then everything else should be considered freedom of speech with no exception.

Point 2

In my opinion, anyone who sets out to annoy some purposely is asking for it.

Look at the matterazzi and zidane incident

did zidane act in the right way to headbutt him? no
however did matterazzi deserve to get head butted for insulting his ill sister? of course he did

You'll just look like an idiot in doing so because the facts are there was indeed a holocaust, while there is no proof at all an Allah exists.

thats what im getting at, your getting offended because you strongly believe that the holocuast existed, even if muslims are wrong. If they strongly belive in it, why try and offend 1.5 billion muslims?

we should look at the intention

That is what we should have, and its more or less what we do have.

fine i agee with this, seeing as it's one of my purposed methods, but we dont have it.

 

[Enron]

The Christian thing to do would have been to turn the other cheek.

 

[Ventus]

The Christian thing to do would have been to turn the other cheek.

im not saying that was the ideal solution, look at the matterazzi example I gave

 

[Enron]

im not saying that was the ideal solution, look at the matterazzi example I gave

That's to what I was referring. Zidane's actions were horrible. Why head butt the guy letting your team and country down over some stupid comment?

Why not up your game and send the cunt bastard home without a trophy?

 

[Raz]

Just one question, was this some kind of extremist attack? If not it certainly taints the thought that only extremists are violent.

 

[Ventus]

If some folks got their way, the entire world would have to live under a one-world Islamic Fascist government.

Lets just say that would not be very fun.

the thing is dude, ppl always enjoy the culture their familiar with. It's ignorant to force one persons culture over the others. I'm not saying you are btw

yes saudi arabia is restrictive and has plenty of wrongs, just like other countries.

but it has plenty of advantages too...

STATS for you

2nd lowest murders per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


lowest rape per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita


my 3rd point is, instead of moaning and whining about other ppls cultures, why dont we fix our own first? high crime rates, rise of anti social behaviour , binge driniking etc

 

[Ventus]

That's to what I was referring. Zidane's actions were horrible. Why head butt the guy letting your team and country down over some stupid comment?

Why not up your game and send the cunt bastard home without a trophy?

exactly thats why zidane's action werent ideal and stupid

but did matterazzi deserve it? yes he did coz he was looking to annoy him

im not beign biased tomuslims here. Like i said someone like Darkings coming out and promoting atheisim I have nothing against.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

point 1

first of all freedom of speech doesn't exsist

true that

 

[Lion]

plenty of wrongs, just like other countries.

but it has plenty of advantages too...

STATS for you

2nd lowest murders per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


lowest rape per capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

poor examples. how many crimes there go un reported because the police are corrupted by being friends with the royal family or other members of the high class society.

and be quite about it already. muslims say it's the religion of peace, they say mohammed forgave those who attacked him with rocks and shit, yet these current muslims have no problems commiting crimes, and being violent and angry. the irony is strong.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

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