Lacking Skill? (1 Viewer)

[Dharurat]

i always liked tacchinardi... may not be the best there is, but he does give his all...

as for juve lacking creativity... so what else is new? there was a time when "creativity" for juventus meant---- GET THE BALL TO ZIZOU... HE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT!!! That hasn't stopped us winning trophies.. it's the bianconeri's "never say die" attitude that won me over as a fan, and THAT is what has been lacking last season... IMO we never really had much grace, but we had grit..

That's why Nedved is the "real" captain of the current side, not DP...

 

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[Len]

Because DP played like shit last season....the season before...he showed the way for the team.....as a great captain...only to fall short of the CL trophy...:down:

 

[Stu]

I'd love to see Juve play a classy passing game but unfortunately we don't have the players with which to apply such a system. Tacchinardi and Appiah are poor passers of the ball to say the least, and though we now have Emerson who can control and alter play a bit better he's not a natural born playmaker and we badly need one of those. Nedved gives his all and is amazing at what he does, but let's face it, he'll never be as creative as say Zidane, Ronaldinho, or Aimar. Only God knows how he runs so hard for 90 minutes but he can't open up a defence with a through ball like others can. We either need to get someone like Rosicky for the trequartista role or a holding midfielder who can dictate from his anchor role such as Vieira, Pirlo or Maniche. Emerson is good for that position, but we would have to flank him with two wide players rather than putting Tacchinardi next to him for the scheme to really excel imo. Actually, Maresca could've been influential in a role such as that in a formation with wide players and a good defensive midfielder like Emerson next to him.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

after getting emmerson there is no way we gonna pay for another world-class midfielder. we will have to play like roma and hope that camo plays as good as mancini.

 

[Stu]

If we can play like Roma did last season I'd be satisfied, but we can't because Mancini is way better than Camoranesi and we don't have a Totti.

 

[Dominic]

Good post Stuart, but I don't think Tacchinardi's is THAT bad actually. He often gives a neat throughball or a long ball, ofcourse he is no Pirlo and not even near Pirlo. Tacchinardi would not be a weak point in a passing game though.
Also about Nedved, he does not have the imagination of some like Zidane and Totti, but there is nothing wrong with his passing.. at all.

 

[Stu]

Thanks, Dom, and I myself used to be quite the Tacchi fan. Along with Davids he was great for us in 02-03, but as of late he seems to have lost the plot somewhat. Not that he didn't use to before, but nowadays he commits far too many unnecessary fouls as was displayed as recently as tonight against Djurgarden.

About Nedved, I agree, his passing is good, but I was just highlighting the fact that he doesn't make alot of chances with his passing, but with his amazing athleticism and intricate dribbling. That's IMO why DP and Trez can be as anonymous as they are at times. If an opponent decides that they're going to shut down one of our forwards by double or triple teaming them it's very hard for them to get into the game because playing breathtaking passes isn't Pavel's specialty. The opposition can also decide to shut down Nedved which could then result in the shutting down of DP and Trez because we don't have a Pirlo or Vieira to start plays from a deep midfield position.

 

[Hydde]

IMO tach is not bad but is very very average,....and he doesnt have the tech that others do.


he is not necessary IMO in the first team...

we could have easily used maresca instead.


and of course we need DEFENDERSS!!!

 

[Stu]

Arturo! Hey man, wassup? Haven't seen you in a while

 

[Hydde]

Hey wassup man... yeah i have been very busy with some works... but i come to the forums everyday and read a lot... is just that i dont post now.

Anyways... im trying to return to the old habits

 

[Stu]

LOL Ok, cool. I'm looking forward to having you back

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
Thanks, Dom, and I myself used to be quite the Tacchi fan. Along with Davids he was great for us in 02-03, but as of late he seems to have lost the plot somewhat. Not that he didn't use to before, but nowadays he commits far too many unnecessary fouls as was displayed as recently as tonight against Djurgarden.

About Nedved, I agree, his passing is good, but I was just highlighting the fact that he doesn't make alot of chances with his passing, but with his amazing athleticism and intricate dribbling. That's IMO why DP and Trez can be as anonymous as they are at times. If an opponent decides that they're going to shut down one of our forwards by double or triple teaming them it's very hard for them to get into the game because playing breathtaking passes isn't Pavel's specialty. The opposition can also decide to shut down Nedved which could then result in the shutting down of DP and Trez because we don't have a Pirlo or Vieira to start plays from a deep midfield position.

our attack would improve so much more (so much more) if only Camo did half of what neddy did.



i also hope that with the arrival of emmerson nedved will cover more from the left where he is at his best

 

[taquin]

my turn to bash tacchi lol... something about him i like... but a LOT of things i don't... i didn't see the game against the swedish team but from last season's performaces he has definitely lost his first team place... i hope capello makes the necessary adjustments when camo and nedved gets back... that trident attack i think is a waste of time... if tacchi is goin to be in the starting 11 we NEED another midfielder there...
3-4-3? nah, go back to the flat 4-4-2 or the 4-3-1-2.
i'm not futbol expert but when zebina also gets back from his suspension and after playin the second leg (that hopefully we'll win..) juve need to examine if they need another defender or not.
um yea that's all i have to say about that.

 

[Adrian]

++ [ originally posted by Dharurat ] ++
i always liked tacchinardi... may not be the best there is, but he does give his all...

as for juve lacking creativity... so what else is new? there was a time when "creativity" for juventus meant---- GET THE BALL TO ZIZOU... HE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT!!! That hasn't stopped us winning trophies.. it's the bianconeri's "never say die" attitude that won me over as a fan, and THAT is what has been lacking last season... IMO we never really had much grace, but we had grit..

That's why Nedved is the "real" captain of the current side, not DP...

And this is the reason why did badly last season and lossed the CL final against Milan. We rely on Nedved's qualities as a player way too much. he is powerful and hard working but he doesnt open up defences like Zidane and many others which others have posted already.

Once again, this season, Nedved is the key and him being the key means less creativity and more hard work. it puts more pressure on the likes of del piero who becomes the player in the team who can thread balls through and if he doesnt perform well, he gets criticised because no one else is able to create.

i think nedved is a champion player but Lippi has made this current team become way too reliant on him. Back when Zidane was at the club, we relied on his creativity, but the likes of davids, del piero, di livio and even pessotto got a lot more involved because zidanes creativity brought them all into the game and there wasnt one way of moving forward. hence, being less predictable back then unlike now! now, the whole team relies on nedveds work ethics and we play boring football and the opposition knows how to break us down easily.


this is why another player needs to come in. emerson is there for the midfield, he'll keep it tight like it once was, but we nedved as well as another player. Rosicky would be good also as he adds that spark, but now Olivera has stepped up a notch, why not give him a go? even having jankulovski on the left of midfield could help out as well.

 

[Dominic]

Well I beleive the Tacchinardi situation has ironed itself out. I'm pretty sure he ruined his season with his last game and 'll have to prove himself from the bench from now on....

 

[Len]

Very good discussions going on here....some very good points too.... I agree with all you guys that we need a playmaker.....but who would fit in our bill?

 

[Maher]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
Does anyone agree that our team compared to our serie A and CL rivals lacks skillful, creative players. In the past our team has pulled through because of our organisation and discipline. But now we don't even have those qualities- just look at our defence.

Signing Kapo was a good start but what we need is a technically superior team. I haven't seen Juve play a good passing game in years, simply because we can't with our current players. Sure this means were hard to beat but as weve seen so far its hard for us to win.

Our current team lacks a player who in offense can take on more than his marker- ie. a Henry, or a Zidane etc

we lack everything in a team : skills , playing like a team , i saw Basel in inter game playing better than us

 

[Juve_Kosova]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
A good post by alex, and it is true some of your points. But i dont agree that it is because of the players, DP, Mutu , Nedved, Camoranesi are all creative and technical players.

The problem is the style/philosopy. Juve has recently been well organized and with dicipline, and hard physical style. But that aint anymore. I think Capello will get things to work after a while, develop a new "style".
A more offensive style, he is a much more offensive minded coach than Lippi. Then our technical players like DP,Mutu,Miccoli,Camoranesi could use their skills better.

WHEN did we sign Mutu ???

 

[Nofuture]

someone is dreaming....

 

[Alex]

++ [ originally posted by Len ] ++
Very good discussions going on here....some very good points too.... I agree with all you guys that we need a playmaker.....but who would fit in our bill?

Rui Costa- proven to be the best assists midfielder in Serie A for last 4yrs.

in a 3-5-2 formation our midfield could be:

----------Thuram----CB?-----Ferrara

-------------------Emerson---------------
Kapo------------------Nedved------Zambrotta
--------------Rui Costa
-------------------------Del Piero
-----------------Trez.