La Liga 2017/18 (6 Viewers)
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Bayern would run over them
Zidane is a star team coach. Bring a bunch of stars, you need a guy who's good with tactics, but also has the respect and knows how to motivate and drive them. He's exactly that.
Let him coach a smaller team and you'll see Allegri beeing a better tactician. But no coach in the world will bring out more of spoiled cunt star players as he does. Mourinho can go cry in a corner
Zidane is a star team coach. Bring a bunch of stars, you need a guy who's good with tactics, but also has the respect and knows how to motivate and drive them. He's exactly that.
Let him coach a smaller team and you'll see Allegri beeing a better tactician. But no coach in the world will bring out more of spoiled cunt star players as he does. Mourinho can go cry in a corner
Its quite funny really because I remember back around 2011 people would say Messi only wins these games because of his team (I was one of those) while he was taking the ball from the halfway line and scoring vs the likes of Madrid in the CL semis. Now Ronaldo has by far the best teams in football history who could have won the CL without him and he plays as a poacher yet his fans completely forget about there argument from before.
Well way I see it Messi is the best player while Ronaldo is the best goalscorer/poacher. I truly believe that with the decline of Barca and the emergence of the likes of Asensio at Madrid this year Messi and Ronaldo's era will come to a close.
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You know I remember hearing this when Zidane was first hired. He is such a respected Madrid figure that he can control the egos of Ronaldo, Bale, Ramos etc. A man who has no respect in football media such as Rafa Benitez whether he is or isnt a fantastic tactician will never receive their respect. Mourinho saw this also (I remember Ramos calling him a shit defender).
I think Zidane and Madrid are a match made in heaven.
Well way I see it Messi is the best player while Ronaldo is the best goalscorer/poacher. I truly believe that with the decline of Barca and the emergence of the likes of Asensio at Madrid this year Messi and Ronaldo's era will come to a close.
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You know I remember hearing this when Zidane was first hired. He is such a respected Madrid figure that he can control the egos of Ronaldo, Bale, Ramos etc. A man who has no respect in football media such as Rafa Benitez whether he is or isnt a fantastic tactician will never receive their respect. Mourinho saw this also (I remember Ramos calling him a shit defender).
I think Zidane and Madrid are a match made in heaven.
Okay I do agree that we definitely would have had half chance if Pjanic and Mandzukic were fully fit. However most pundits, fans, Perez etc are considering this Madrid fans as one of the best teams in history.
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Yeah have been waiting for this for a long time. I wont miss them either.
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Yeah have been waiting for this for a long time. I wont miss them either.
The guy is a dunce.
Ronaldo just a poacher.
Ronaldo holds the all-time record for both goals and assists in CL history. Ronaldo has 31 assists to Messi's 24.
16 assists in just the last 4 seasons to Messi's 8. And Messi's been playing with Suarez and Neymar, far more prolific goalscorers than Benzema and Bale.
Just a poacher.
Ronaldo just a poacher.
Ronaldo holds the all-time record for both goals and assists in CL history. Ronaldo has 31 assists to Messi's 24.
16 assists in just the last 4 seasons to Messi's 8. And Messi's been playing with Suarez and Neymar, far more prolific goalscorers than Benzema and Bale.
Just a poacher.
The guy is a complete dunce.
Ronaldo just a poacher.
Ronaldo holds the all-time record for both goals and assists in CL history. Ronaldo has 31 assists to Messi's 24.
16 assists in just the last 4 seasons to Messi's 8. And Messi's been playing with Suarez and Neymar, far more prolific goalscorer than Benzema and Bale.
Just a poacher.
Ronaldo just a poacher.
Ronaldo holds the all-time record for both goals and assists in CL history. Ronaldo has 31 assists to Messi's 24.
16 assists in just the last 4 seasons to Messi's 8. And Messi's been playing with Suarez and Neymar, far more prolific goalscorer than Benzema and Bale.
Just a poacher.
Also since all you know about football is stats here are videos for you. This guy Gaebba collects every goal, assist, key pass, dribble, tackle, interception, aerial duel won etc of the season. Though Ronaldo's 2017 isnt available yet just compare the two videos.
It really is just incredible that idiots can actually compare the two players
Lastly I will leave you all with this quote from Cruyff (RIP)
"I've always liked smaller, more technically gifted players because I was one. Cristiano is a great player but he's a goalscorer. He'll never be that creative player you build a team around, the one in charge of how a team plays. His job is the end product, the goal. On the other hand, Messi is much more of a team player: he passes the ball, notches up no end of assists... In my opinion, there is a huge difference between a great player and a goalscorer".
Read more: "Messi vs Ronaldo? You can't build a team around Cristiano Ronaldo" - MARCA.com (English version)
Both played in an era where for the biggest part Serie a was done, germany was shitty except one season and the EPL was sniffing its ass, in the worst area of defending since football became professional.
If they were 16 today, they wouldnt repeat it themselves cause the competition is significantly growing back
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Madrid build a team exactly around ronaldo
If they were 16 today, they wouldnt repeat it themselves cause the competition is significantly growing back
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No point in arguing with an idiot like yourself so this will be my last response. You obviously do not watch these players live if your going to consider Ronaldo of the last 3 season anything more than poacher and actually give weight to the fact that he has more assists than Messi who plays far more deep than Ronaldo.
Also since all you know about football is stats here are videos for you. This guy Gaebba collects every goal, assist, key pass, dribble, tackle, interception, aerial duel won etc of the season. Though Ronaldo's 2017 isnt available yet just compare the two videos.
It really is just incredible that idiots can actually compare the two players
Lastly I will leave you all with this quote from Cruyff (RIP)
"I've always liked smaller, more technically gifted players because I was one. Cristiano is a great player but he's a goalscorer. He'll never be that creative player you build a team around, the one in charge of how a team plays. His job is the end product, the goal. On the other hand, Messi is much more of a team player: he passes the ball, notches up no end of assists... In my opinion, there is a huge difference between a great player and a goalscorer".
Read more: "Messi vs Ronaldo? You can't build a team around Cristiano Ronaldo" - MARCA.com (English version)
Also since all you know about football is stats here are videos for you. This guy Gaebba collects every goal, assist, key pass, dribble, tackle, interception, aerial duel won etc of the season. Though Ronaldo's 2017 isnt available yet just compare the two videos.
It really is just incredible that idiots can actually compare the two players
Lastly I will leave you all with this quote from Cruyff (RIP)
"I've always liked smaller, more technically gifted players because I was one. Cristiano is a great player but he's a goalscorer. He'll never be that creative player you build a team around, the one in charge of how a team plays. His job is the end product, the goal. On the other hand, Messi is much more of a team player: he passes the ball, notches up no end of assists... In my opinion, there is a huge difference between a great player and a goalscorer".
Read more: "Messi vs Ronaldo? You can't build a team around Cristiano Ronaldo" - MARCA.com (English version)
Well it seems like your being sarcastic. Im guessing you dont consider Juve a fantastic team? That was one of the most disciplined teams of this era definitely a fantastic team. With more depth we would have won that game imo but Mandzukic was sadly worn out. That is why I can definitely see us pulling off a CL win this season however I hope the defense is strengthened a lil bit.
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Well they built around him in the sense that he is the main finisher on the team and the playmakers are usually looking to set him up. However not in that sense that everything in attack goes through him.
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Well Suarez did a season ago
But we are approaching a more balanced era so im not going to expect these numbers 3 years from now. We are just exiting the era of super teams (Real, Barca, and Bayern) with the EPL and Serie A restrengthening along with the emergence of Ligue 1 it will no longer be 3 teams dominating football.
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Well they built around him in the sense that he is the main finisher on the team and the playmakers are usually looking to set him up. However not in that sense that everything in attack goes through him.
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Well Suarez did a season ago
But we are approaching a more balanced era so im not going to expect these numbers 3 years from now. We are just exiting the era of super teams (Real, Barca, and Bayern) with the EPL and Serie A restrengthening along with the emergence of Ligue 1 it will no longer be 3 teams dominating football.
But but but... he's only a poacher. Messi is better at everything else.
Oh, and just that one caveat that he's the most prolific assister of goals in CL history.
Cruyff is a moron, don't know why you are quoting him as support for your argument. He literally said that there is no end to assists with Messi, but Ronaldo is just a goalscorer. He's completely oblivious to the fact that Ronaldo assists even more goals than Messi on the biggest stage.
And Afghan, myself and most others rate Messi above C. Ronaldo. But acting like there is some vast gulf between them makes you look like a dunce with a complete lack of understanding about the skill, talent, and intelligence required to play the game the way Ronaldo does. Off-ball movement and positioning (which is the reason Ronaldo is the most prolific CL player in football history) is easily as important as Messi's ability to dribble through a half-dozen players, as they create the same result in the end.
Oh, and just that one caveat that he's the most prolific assister of goals in CL history.
Cruyff is a moron, don't know why you are quoting him as support for your argument. He literally said that there is no end to assists with Messi, but Ronaldo is just a goalscorer. He's completely oblivious to the fact that Ronaldo assists even more goals than Messi on the biggest stage.
And Afghan, myself and most others rate Messi above C. Ronaldo. But acting like there is some vast gulf between them makes you look like a dunce with a complete lack of understanding about the skill, talent, and intelligence required to play the game the way Ronaldo does. Off-ball movement and positioning (which is the reason Ronaldo is the most prolific CL player in football history) is easily as important as Messi's ability to dribble through a half-dozen players, as they create the same result in the end.
But but but... he's only a poacher. Messi is better at everything else.
Oh, and just that one caveat that he's the most prolific assister of goals in CL history.
Cruyff is a moron, don't know why you are quoting him as support for your argument. He literally said that there is no end to assists with Messi, but Ronaldo is just a goalscorer. He's completely oblivious to the fact that Ronaldo assists even more goals than Messi on the biggest stage.
But Messi is like miles above
And Afghan, myself and most others rate Messi above C. Ronaldo. But acting like there is some vast gulf between them makes you a complete dunce with a complete lack of understanding about the skill, talent, and intelligence required to play the game the way Ronaldo does. Off-ball movement and positioning (which is the reason Ronaldo is the most prolific CL player in football history) is easily as important as Messi's ability to dribble through a half-dozen players, as they create the same result in the end.
Also though I think there is a gap. I respect Ronaldo's ability as a poacher and more so respect his longevity and the huge transformation he undertook as a football in his 30's. For that imo he deserves a place in the top 25 footballers of all time.
This is perfectly fine. The problem is when people ridicule those who rate Ronaldo. I think he's far closer to Messi than you do. I think the gap between them is minimal, I see that in the end results of their play and the success they've had. And while I do believe Messi is greater, and will go down as a top 5 player of all time, unfortunately for those who constantly bash Ronaldo or say he's just a poacher, the consensus will almost certainly end up placing him as a top 10 player of all time, when all is said and done. The last 5 years for him were truly quite extraordinary, in terms of trophies won, goals scored, assists...
I don't really like rating players outside of era myself. It's impossible to know how they would perform in another era, especially considering the way super teams have formed and competitive balance has gone so far askew during this era. Or how the greats of past eras would perform today. Messi and Ronaldo are number 1 and 2, for me, respectively of the last decade. Before them you had fat Ronaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho, etc. Before them Baggio, Romario, etc. Before them, Maradona, Platini... and so on and so forth. All else is really unknowable.
This is perfectly fine. The problem is when people ridicule those who rate Ronaldo. I think he's far closer to Messi than you do. I think the gap between them is minimal, I see that in the end results of their play and the success they've had. And while I do believe Messi is greater, and will go down as a top 5 player of all time, unfortunately for those who constantly bash Ronaldo or say he's just a poacher, the consensus will almost certainly end up placing him as a top 10 player of all time, when all is said and done. The last 5 years for him were truly quite extraordinary, in terms of trophies won, goals scored, assists...
I don't really like rating players outside of era myself. It's impossible to know how they would perform in another era, especially considering the way super teams have formed and competitive balance has gone so far askew during this era. Or how the greats of past eras would perform today. Messi and Ronaldo are number 1 and 2, for me, respectively of the last decade. Before them you had fat Ronaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho, etc. Before them Baggio, Romario, etc. Before them, Maradona, Platini... and so on and so forth. All else is really unknowable.
fair enough bro.Agree on the whole rating players from different eras thing aswell.
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You wouldnt see Chiellini do something like that to an Inter player. Don't see the point of doing that in a super coppa.
I will keep arguing that in better defensive era's, basically everyone before this shit, Messi would have been considerably less effective, where as Ronaldo's ridiculous ability to score would have been a great danger.
He's not gonna make those chances himself. But get the ball there and he'll deliver
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I will keep arguing that in better defensive era's, basically everyone before this shit, Messi would have been considerably less effective, where as Ronaldo's ridiculous ability to score would have been a great danger.
He's not gonna make those chances himself. But get the ball there and he'll deliver
He's not gonna make those chances himself. But get the ball there and he'll deliver
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I will keep arguing that in better defensive era's, basically everyone before this shit, Messi would have been considerably less effective, where as Ronaldo's ridiculous ability to score would have been a great danger.
He's not gonna make those chances himself. But get the ball there and he'll deliver
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