LA COPPA: Perugia - Juventus (12 Viewers)

JuveCampione

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Sep 21, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by -Z- ] ++

Pessotto - 5
Did absolutley nothing, was completely invisible, in offence and defence both. He did nothing worth mentioning in defence, while he hardly crossed the half way line. If Zambrotta's shoes are size 12, Pessotto would barelly fill up size 6. There are a lot of numbers in between, as is the difference in class.
You shouldn't attack Pessotto! I see you underrate his qualities.
Zambrotta still have a lot to learn from Pessotto.
Besides, I don't think being invisible in defense is a bad thing.
 

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Wings

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Jul 15, 2002
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Good that finally we have beaten Perugia in the Coppa & at their ground. I'll take this one, however ugly it comes.
Kudos to the team.
With match fitness we should see our defence back.
 
Sep 14, 2003
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Very poor game in terms of entertainment and quality of play. I lost count of the amount of times Appiah gave the ball to the opposition with a poor pass. The whole game for me was a low key non-event. Oh well it's 'only' the Coppa Italia.
 
Aug 1, 2003
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Juventus wins at the Curi stadium
15 01 2004

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The Juventus beats Perugia at the the Curi stadium with one goal at the end of each half. After the goal of Zalayeta due to Legrottaglie, equalization of the ex Manfredini at the 21st minute of the second half . Headed goal of Di Vaio at 44th minute served by a perfect cross of Camoranesi. Lippi’s team is near the semifinal agains Inter or Udinese. On Wednesday 21st jannuary the rematch at the Delle Alpi stadium. Sunday Juventus will play the Serie A match against Siena: last match of the first round.

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I hope we'll get Udinese :p
anyway can someone sum up the match to me shortly as I did not see it nor did read many reviews as I'm very busy?
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by JuveCampione ] ++


You shouldn't attack Pessotto! I see you underrate his qualities.
Zambrotta still have a lot to learn from Pessotto.
Besides, I don't think being invisible in defense is a bad thing.
What exactly can Pessotto teach Zambrotta now? IMO Pessotto was never an extraordinary player, he was a good player that played very consistently, never played bad, very rarely made any misstakes, but never did anything special either.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++

anyway can someone sum up the match to me shortly as I did not see it nor did read many reviews as I'm very busy?
Here Sally:

++ [ originally posted by -Z- ] ++
I wasnt at all pleased with our performance. Lippi started off with a flat 4-4-2 formation, with Zalayeta as right midfielder an Maresca as left midfielder, altho he did drift into centre from time to time to try to support the strikers. This left Appiah and Tacchinardi alone in the centre of midfield which of course ment we were all but harmless down both flanks. Neither Maresca nor Zalayeta are wingers, altho IMO the latter did a better job. The flanks also lacked support from defence as Pessotto hardly even crossed the halfway line, and Thuram didnt have one good cross (he actually had only one or two crosses total). Miccoli seemed like our most agile player, he often went back into midfield to pick up balls and organize an attack, but could not do anything without the proper support. Di Vaio was mostly up in the attack waiting.

Now the defence is a special story by itself. As a whole it seemed full of holes. The only player that had a good game was Legrotagglie. Iuliano was HORRID, Thuram bad, while Pessoto was invisible. Iuliano musnt not be played again unless there is a freak injury crisis or all of our defenders, including Fresi, are kidnapped by druged up aliens!!! He missed tackle after tackle, screwed up the offside trap on many occasions and almost gave away a penalty (IMO it was a clear penalty but luckily the ref didnt see it that way). Thuram also did poorly on stopping attacks on hs flank and left Manfredini unmarked on Perugia's goal. Things looked up a bit when Zambrotta entered play and gave us more presence on the left, while Pessotto took Thuram's place on the right. Thuram was replaced by Camoranesi late in the second half, while Zambrotta entered the pitch instead of Appiah in the 65th minute. After that Zambrotta played left back, Camoranesi right wing, while Zalayeta switched to the left. Maresca and tacchinardi played in centre midfield.


Chimenti - 6
Didnt really have much to do, mostly collecting crosses and a few long range shots. He could have done better on Manfredini's goal but it was by no means his fault. All in all an OK performance, nothing special, but OK.

Pessotto - 5
Did absolutley nothing, was completely invisible, in offence and defence both. He did nothing worth mentioning in defence, while he hardly crossed the half way line. If Zambrotta's shoes are size 12, Pessotto would barelly fill up size 6. There are a lot of numbers in between, as is the difference in class.

Thuram - 5
Pretty bad. I've already much about him. He did not help in offense very much, and was very very slow on getting back from attack. He left Manfredini unmarked on Perugia's goal, and had in general a hard time stopping Perugia's attack, bad as it is.

Legrottaglie - 7
The only somewhat solid player in defence. He started the game a bit shakey, but improved as the game progressed. He had a few good headers and interceptions in defence. He also did well in offence, setting up and assisting for Zalayeta's goal after a Miccoli free kick.

Iuliano - 2
Horrid, nothing less than horrid. My previous lowest mark was a 3 for Camoranesi, but Iuliano completely deserves this one. If we had been playing any other team, anybody with at least an average attack he would have been destroyed, and attack like Milan's would have raped him to death. He missed tackle after tackle, gave away a free kick just outside the area, almost gave away a penalty, and fvcked up offside trap after offside trap. Simply horrid IMO.

Zambrotta - 6
Wasnt in the game very long (25 minutes) so he didnt have time to do anything special, but he was a great improvement from Pessotto. He showed will and energy and made a few of his trademark runs down the left altho without effect. I would have loved to have seen him from the start.

Maresca - 6
Didnt do very much. He's not a replacement for Nedved and can never be, and therefore should not be seen as one. IMO he would best function paired up with Tacchi behind Nedved. His passing was sharp and precise, he didnt lose many balls, but all that was mostly in the centre of the pitch, he just couldnt get the final pass on. He tried, maybe too much, to play through balls to Miccoli, Di Vaio and Zalayeta... all were intercepted. Maybe he should have played a bit more simple. An OK performance, but I expected more.

Tacchinardi - 6
Was OK, altho he clearly did pull out of certain challanges, probably to protect himself from injury. I cant really blame him, he didnt want to get injured in his comeback. He was pretty solid in midfield, altho I feel he and Appiah didnt protect the defence enough. He had a bloody fantastic 35-yard through pass that went through the entire defence, but unfortunately Di Vaio couldnt get to it before the Perugia keeper. Had he scored it would most definately be the best assist of the season.

Appiah - 5.5
He just loses the balls more than a player in his position should. His passing was OK as always, I personaly like it very much, but sometimes he seems careless when he's with the ball and looses it. He helped out in attack, ahd a great cross and a solid long shot on goal, but I'm not happy, he needs to bring his A game onto the pitch if hea wants to replace Davids in the lineup. I am not happy.

Zalayeta - 7.5
Yes, thats right, a 7.5 for Zalayeta. He tried very hard from the start, running and pressing the opposition on his flank. he out in a good performance, altho he was being played compelety out of position, first on the right wing and then on the left. We all know he lacks technique, and isnt a very good dribbler nor passer, nor crosser, but tonight he tried it all. He tried dribbling, he tried crossing (had a great cross for Di Vaio I think), and he tried to pass the ball around. he even had three very, very good through balls, so he showed us some cretivity, not to mention that he scored and setup Camo's assist. It wasnt pretty to watch, in fact it was a pain to the eyes to watch him dribble, but he got the job done. Well done Zala, IMO our best player tonight.

Camoranesi - 6.5
Only played for the last 15 minutes, but showed that he should have played from start. He pressed the opponent, ran a lot, and showed us one or two of his tricks. He had an excellent assisnt, his cross landed exactly on Di Vaio's head.

Di Vaio - 7
Altho he wasnt all that bad, he isnt in the form he had at the start of the season. He had two clear cut chances, on one Perugia's GK (sorry, forgot his name) made an excellent save, while he didnt do enough to get the ball in time on the other chance, and thereby enabeling the GK to get to it. He did score one goal, and had a fantastic back heel reception of the ball on a Chimenti kick up the field. He moved very well and IMO deserves to be ahead of DP in the picking order.

Miccoli - 6.5
He was very agile during the whole match, altho he didnt actually manage to do much. He had to come back to midfield to pick up the ball on a number of occasions and start up attacks. He had a few shots that went off target, but all in all seemed like our most dangerous player.

Anyways, that's just my opinion...
 

JuveCampione

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Sep 21, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by -Z- ] ++


What exactly can Pessotto teach Zambrotta now? IMO Pessotto was never an extraordinary player, he was a good player that played very consistently, never played bad, very rarely made any misstakes, but never did anything special either.
that's a great thing. consistently is a very needed quality for a defender.
what special things are you looking for?? an acrobatic save from the line????
As you said he rarely make mistakes, and that's the important thing. give him more respect.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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I do respect him actually, but the truth is he hasnt been the same player after his injury in 2002. Right now Zambrotta is ahead by miles, and has already surpassed Pessottos class.
 

Zlatan

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Zambrotta now. He is the best leftback in the world at this moment, and Pessotto wasnt even the best in Europe, even in his prime.
 

Roman

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Apr 19, 2003
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Well i'm only happy for the result!
we are on the way to the semi's!
And we all know that Juve(Lippi) always don't care about the Coppa,so...good result!;)

Someone has the Coppa goals guys?
 

denco

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GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6.5, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 6, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 6, Maresca 5.5, Appiah 5.5, Zambrotta sv, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 6.

CORRIERE DELLO SPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 6.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 5.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 7, Di Vaio 6.5, Miccoli 5.5.

TUTTOSPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6.5, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.

LA STAMPA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 6.

CORRIERE DELLA SERA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 5.5, Pessotto 5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6.5, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.

LA REPUBBLICA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 6, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.5.
 

Roman

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Apr 19, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6.5, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 6, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 6, Maresca 5.5, Appiah 5.5, Zambrotta sv, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 6.

CORRIERE DELLO SPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 6.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 5.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 7, Di Vaio 6.5, Miccoli 5.5.

TUTTOSPORT: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6.5, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.

LA STAMPA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6.5, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 6.

CORRIERE DELLA SERA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6.5, Legrottaglie 5.5, Iuliano 5.5, Pessotto 5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6.5, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.

LA REPUBBLICA: Chimenti 6, Thuram 6, Camoranesi 6, Legrottaglie 6, Iuliano 6, Pessotto 5.5, Maresca 6, Appiah 6, Zambrotta 6, Tacchinardi 6, Zalayeta 6.5, Di Vaio 6, Miccoli 5.5.
Yeah...not much....:groan:
 

MCPIERO

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Coppa: Di Vaio sinks Perugia Thursday 15 January, 2004

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Juventus have beaten Perugia in the Coppa Italia for the first time ever thanks to a late Marco Di Vaio goal.

The Italian netted in the 89th minute at the Stadio Curi to ensure a 2-1 first leg victory. Juventus are now in pole position to qualify for the semi-finals with the return leg in Turin still to come next week.

Both Coaches decided to rest various first choice players with another crucial round of Serie A games coming up at the weekend.

Yet Juventus did field the likes of Thuram, Legrottaglie and Tacchinardi to test their fitness after various injury problems. As well as the striking duo of Di Vaio and Fabrizio Miccoli.

The latter in particular looked in good shape as he caused numerous problems for his former club in the first period. He tested Perugia ‘keeper Pardini on three occasions in the first 20 minutes but with no success.

Perugia’s offensive threat was limited. Do Prado tried his luck from way out much to the anger of boss Serse Cosmi. The home side’s only other effort of note in the first period was a free-kick from Grosso which was comfortably dealt with by Chimenti.

Juventus should have taken the lead in the 35th minute. Thuram’s inch perfect cross was met by the head of Di Vaio, yet his close range effort was expertly tipped over. Miccoli then warmed Pardini’s hands with a fierce 30-yard free-kick.

The away side did take the lead on the stroke of half-time. Legrottaglie’s header towards goal was saved by Pardini, only for the defender to pick up the rebound and cross for Zalayeta to throw out a leg and put Juve one up. That was his club’s 600th goal in the Coppa Italia.

Perugia brought on Giandomenico after the break and he started to cause Juve some problems. His 51st minute cross was headed onto the bar by Zerbini before he played a crucial part in the equaliser.

The substitute found Fusani and the latter’s cross was volleyed home at the far post by Christian Manfredini – who was making his debut.

Fusani then had a chance himself in the 65th minute until a last ditch tackle by Iuliano saved the day. Maresca tried to put Juve back in front with a speculative long range effort before Di Vaio stole the headlines.

Camoranesi crossed from the right for Di Vaio to head the ball past Pardini with the help of the ‘keeper’s right hand post.

Giandomenico had a great chance to make it 2-2 in the closing seconds but he missed when it looked easier to score. With only Chimenti to beat, he looped the ball over the bar. Juve hung on for a crucial win.

Perugia 1-2 Juventus
Scorers: Zalayeta (J) 45, Manfredini (P) 65, Di Vaio (J) 89

Perugia: Pardini; Nastos, Di Loreto, Ignoffo; Do Prado, Fusani, Gatti, Manfredini (Maschio 71), Grosso; Scandurra (Giandomenico 46), Zerbini (Baciocchi 63)

Juventus: Chimenti; Thuram (Camoranesi 71), Legrottaglie, Iuliano, Pessotto; Zalayeta, Tacchinardi, Appiah (Zambrotta 65), Maresca; Di Vaio, Miccoli

Ref: Bertini
 

MCPIERO

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Trio form delights Lippi Friday 16 January, 2004

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Juventus boss Marcello Lippi says last night’s 2-1 win at Perugia was a good test for three of his men in particular.

The tactician did leave out a host of his first team stars but did field Lilian Thuram, Nicola Legrottaglie and Alessio Tacchinardi after their recent fitness problems.

"It was a good result for us but also a good opportunity to see how those three players are doing," he said.

"It was also a chance for me to play some of my other players who don’t feature very often."

The Bianconeri beat Perugia, for the first time ever in the Coppa Italia, thanks to goals from Marcelo Zalayeta and Marco Di Vaio.

They look good for a place in the last four but the tactician maintains there is still some work to do.

"We are in a favourable position to qualify but let us not forget that there is still 90 minutes left," he noted.

The Italian champions are back in action on Sunday when they take on Siena at the Delle Alpi.

"The side is in good shape," he added. "We are most definitely still in the Scudetto race."
 

Ferrari^M

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Sep 3, 2002
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Juve was ok, Legrotaglie was surely the MOM for me. Great solid performance, and the first goal was his.

I disagree with you -Z- iuliano was not bad, not good either, but he played ok. So did thuram. Pessoto ok he didn't touch the ball at many instances but he helped when he was called.

Maresca and Miccoli had some good effords, but at some pooints they tried to do the something extra, they still need to grow up, they are our future though.
 

Zizou

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I was drunk in a bar when I watched the match and all I remember is Zalayeta and Di Vaio's goal At the end of the game I thought we had won 2-0, didn't remember Perugia scoring :D
 

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