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Lol... Recall Pep's first season at City. Superior squad going against Conte's Chelsea and coming nowhere close. Serie A is an even more unique league. A repeat is a possibility even if more unlikely.
Sarri already knows the league and did what he did with Napoli.
That comment really shouldn't be that surprising.
Sarri already knows the league and did what he did with Napoli.
That comment really shouldn't be that surprising.
Exactly
Yes but still it happened. A coach that won nothing turned out to be a great choice.
That's because it's possible he was always a good coach and his teams were obviously shit. Success of the coach is always heavily dependent on the players he has. I don't want Sarri here but if coached us last year, he would have won the Scudetto. Then does he become a great coach? Not necessarily.
The argument of, "What did he win?" is like the simplest, most un-analytical argument possible. Should we hire Di Matteo since won UCL? Or bring back Ranieri since he won EPL?
Are they better than Pochettino who won nothing? It's so dumb, these arguments.
That's because it's possible he was always a good coach and his teams were obviously shit. Success of the coach is always heavily dependent on the players he has. I don't want Sarri here but if coached us last year, he would have won the Scudetto. Then does he become a great coach? Not necessarily.
The argument of, "What did he win?" is like the simplest, most un-analytical argument possible. Should we hire Di Matteo since won UCL? Or bring back Ranieri since he won EPL?
Are they better than Pochettino who won nothing? It's so dumb, these arguments.
You know what I know? Pep Guardiola has 8 league titles in 11 years coaching career, and Sarri has zero, and the latter is dozen years older.
And Pep didnt win in highly competitive EPL in first season (his style clearly takes more adapting then Conte, who is more high motivation then ccomplex football ideas), how is that the same risk of not winning in a team that won 8 league titles in a row? For that to happen he needs to have a disastrous coaching season.
And who is more at risk at failing like that in a big club (losing with odds stacked in your favour? )A coach who has 1 title won in 30 years, or the one who won 27 titles in 11?
So yes I ask again, are you truly ok?
And Pep didnt win in highly competitive EPL in first season (his style clearly takes more adapting then Conte, who is more high motivation then ccomplex football ideas), how is that the same risk of not winning in a team that won 8 league titles in a row? For that to happen he needs to have a disastrous coaching season.
And who is more at risk at failing like that in a big club (losing with odds stacked in your favour? )A coach who has 1 title won in 30 years, or the one who won 27 titles in 11?
So yes I ask again, are you truly ok?
It's always so upsetting to see how sort memory ppl have and how easy it is for someone to fool them by saying what they want to hear...
When Max was coming here, he was not considered not even a proven coach less alone a WC one or not even a winner.
Max has managed to win us by delivering more than our expectations, not by Juve overperforming in results. We did our jobs in Italy without overperforming and that was enough to win titles, we overperfromed in Europe but never really enough to win the CL, we could never go past CR7 and once we got him, we were taken out by Ajax.
The ones who followed Juve these years have always seen how who were always underperforming and even if that is enough for the joke that Serie A is now, it wasn't enough for Juve and that's why Max was given the boot!
To have any type of assurances we ought to get a Mourinho, Klopp or Simeone class of coaches, they deliver great results and they can win less than ideal teams.
Just getting a coach who can win us the tittle by beating the smaller teams is not anything special, just a normal day at the office.
Not winning the league with a team like Juve is a total disgrace and should totally ruin a coaches career!
Just because we had some utter jokes before, we shouldn't overvalued mediocrity.
Conte indeed delivered a miracle, he made the difference, but Max just kept the boat afloat and made a decent appearance in Europe at the early days.
We don't have the best players in Europe, our coach ought to be a top one so we could compensate.
Pep is not enough, as he has failed to win it with Bayern when they were top.
Sarri is a wild card, he was never really given the card before, truly we can't know what he will do, at his first real chance he won a European title, that's smth, but he is not a proven coach at this level, you are right to be upset for asking better, but stop being in denial.
Momblano is evil and he just like to torture ppl, it's obvious at this point, but you should never allow it either, it's not bad to hope for the best, but don't be delusional.
When Max was coming here, he was not considered not even a proven coach less alone a WC one or not even a winner.
Max has managed to win us by delivering more than our expectations, not by Juve overperforming in results. We did our jobs in Italy without overperforming and that was enough to win titles, we overperfromed in Europe but never really enough to win the CL, we could never go past CR7 and once we got him, we were taken out by Ajax.
The ones who followed Juve these years have always seen how who were always underperforming and even if that is enough for the joke that Serie A is now, it wasn't enough for Juve and that's why Max was given the boot!
To have any type of assurances we ought to get a Mourinho, Klopp or Simeone class of coaches, they deliver great results and they can win less than ideal teams.
Just getting a coach who can win us the tittle by beating the smaller teams is not anything special, just a normal day at the office.
Not winning the league with a team like Juve is a total disgrace and should totally ruin a coaches career!
Just because we had some utter jokes before, we shouldn't overvalued mediocrity.
Conte indeed delivered a miracle, he made the difference, but Max just kept the boat afloat and made a decent appearance in Europe at the early days.
We don't have the best players in Europe, our coach ought to be a top one so we could compensate.
Pep is not enough, as he has failed to win it with Bayern when they were top.
Sarri is a wild card, he was never really given the card before, truly we can't know what he will do, at his first real chance he won a European title, that's smth, but he is not a proven coach at this level, you are right to be upset for asking better, but stop being in denial.
Momblano is evil and he just like to torture ppl, it's obvious at this point, but you should never allow it either, it's not bad to hope for the best, but don't be delusional.
And what’s far more retarded is the argument that any half-decent coach could replicate what Allegri did over the past 5 years.
Or the argument that Sarri is somehow a better manager than Allegri that almost entirely relies on saying: “91 points.” Great. He focussed 100% on a single competition, getting embarrassed in the others by terrible teams, and still came up significantly short.
It’s fine to rate Sarri and to think he will succeed at a big club. But discrediting and diminishing the accomplishments of a Juventus legend who won as much as Max here is disingenuous and just plain dumb. And it goes on constantly.
It’s also perfectly fine to question and not rate Sarri as capable of being Juventus coach, with his 60 years of age and very little success at any level until his “aesthetic” football achievements of the last couple years. And to want Juventus to have ambition to sign a proven top manager.
Anyways, if he comes, I’ll cheer for him to be successful. And that’s what relevant.
Or the argument that Sarri is somehow a better manager than Allegri that almost entirely relies on saying: “91 points.” Great. He focussed 100% on a single competition, getting embarrassed in the others by terrible teams, and still came up significantly short.
It’s fine to rate Sarri and to think he will succeed at a big club. But discrediting and diminishing the accomplishments of a Juventus legend who won as much as Max here is disingenuous and just plain dumb. And it goes on constantly.
It’s also perfectly fine to question and not rate Sarri as capable of being Juventus coach, with his 60 years of age and very little success at any level until his “aesthetic” football achievements of the last couple years. And to want Juventus to have ambition to sign a proven top manager.
Anyways, if he comes, I’ll cheer for him to be successful. And that’s what relevant.
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No one says what did he win to a young coach like Conte, it's a risk but you dont hold it against him for not winning when he just started his career.
But when that coach has coached in 30 years and only involved in top level for the last 3 only? Yes it gives you pause and reason to question his credentials for the highest level, what Juve absolute aspire for, the CL.
But when that coach has coached in 30 years and only involved in top level for the last 3 only? Yes it gives you pause and reason to question his credentials for the highest level, what Juve absolute aspire for, the CL.
Clearly the ones who made more mistakes is bound to repeat them, Pep has lost titles and CLs when having so much better teams, than even fish could have win them, esp at his first years with mighty Bayern.
Poor Sarri always took the best of his teams.
We don't really know how good Sarri can be, but we know how bad Pep can be.
We know that Pep can't win the CL with a team like Bayern and Man City, we can't tell this about Sarri though...
Poor Sarri always took the best of his teams.
We don't really know how good Sarri can be, but we know how bad Pep can be.
We know that Pep can't win the CL with a team like Bayern and Man City, we can't tell this about Sarri though...
Ok but what you're saying is that he should have won something with fucking Empoli.
Because at Napoli he was way above expectations and did way better than a proven winner like Ancelotti. And at Chelsea it was on the same level as Conte (Edit: the final year of Conte). So at the very least, it's safe to assume he is competent. There should be some sort of spectrum or continuum where you can rate a coach. He's obviously not retarded.
Because at Napoli he was way above expectations and did way better than a proven winner like Ancelotti. And at Chelsea it was on the same level as Conte (Edit: the final year of Conte). So at the very least, it's safe to assume he is competent. There should be some sort of spectrum or continuum where you can rate a coach. He's obviously not retarded.
It depends on the the answer to that question.
If the manager won 1 or 2 titles in his life, like Sarri or Di Matteo, it says little about them indeed, because they failed to repeat it (at least, yet). That's the basic scientific methodology: if your experiment doesn't give you the same result each time, then you don't know what you really do yet.
But if the manager won a lot of trophies, like Max or Pep, and did it with different teams, then it matters, because it means consistency and high class. They, so to speak, "scientifically proved" to be top level managers.
That's why those who say that Sarri's EL trophy doesn't matter at the same time say that Allergi's trophies are what defines him. There's really no inner contradiction here.
If the manager won 1 or 2 titles in his life, like Sarri or Di Matteo, it says little about them indeed, because they failed to repeat it (at least, yet). That's the basic scientific methodology: if your experiment doesn't give you the same result each time, then you don't know what you really do yet.
But if the manager won a lot of trophies, like Max or Pep, and did it with different teams, then it matters, because it means consistency and high class. They, so to speak, "scientifically proved" to be top level managers.
That's why those who say that Sarri's EL trophy doesn't matter at the same time say that Allergi's trophies are what defines him. There's really no inner contradiction here.
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