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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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:lol:

man who is good enought to find the first post when he mentioned the tactical flow?.

I remember he did it twice in a evry short period that day... and the tactical flow was born
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Red told me to stop bothering explaining, but i'll give it another try.

Tactical flow, how you guys call it is many things.

Basically, its about how your team keeps its shape and controlls the field and play in offence and defence.


How often do you see teams chasing a ball like dogs, only to get humilliated in 4 passes ?. Well, if you have a midfielder that covers behind the chasing players, and keeps the passing and running lines shut down, then they cant just pass trough it, and the pressing becomes 5x better

All the great italian teams, and there are many, allways had at least one of these players.

its why italy has allways been the team that performed the best against spain. (apart from that injury ravaged final). Spanish players just pass it and look for trough balls. But italy allways has at least one of those players, effectively shutting down spain.


Then is the offensive. Now, making forward runs and making all the flair and fancy cumshot over the field, its all nice. But what extra nice, if to have players linking up the play, without to much risk, and slotting behind players making forward runs, effectively making counters pretty hard to do.

All this is what you call, tactical flow. its the means to disrupt the gameplan of the opponent (no one does that like italians), and imposing your own gameplan.



Rapist peasant race is just a small region.
Basically you're talking about holding midfielder and his responsibilities; providing cover for the others to get into more advanced positions, closing down the passing lanes and making interceptions, tackling, etc... But closing down the passing lanes, as you often like to mention that Marchisio is doing, is not enough for one to be the 2nd best in the world. Now, you talked about Martinez and his contribution against Barcelona, but that guy put in numerous tackles and interceptions that night, also started many of Bayern's counter attacks, opened up Barcelona's defense with crucial passes in the final 3rd. He was dominating force and at the risk of being called peasant again I can't see Marchisio doing any of that (tackling, interceptions, crucial passes) or not in the quantity to deserve that amount of praise. Just tell me who were the players that had similar role to Marchisio in Juventus, Milan or Inter from 1994 onwards?
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
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Basically you're talking about holding midfielder and his responsibilities; providing cover for the others to get into more advanced positions, closing down the passing lanes and making interceptions, tackling, etc... But closing down the passing lanes, as you often like to mention that Marchisio is doing, is not enough for one to be the 2nd best in the world. Now, you talked about Martinez and his contribution against Barcelona, but that guy put in numerous tackles and interceptions that night, also started many of Bayern's counter attacks, opened up Barcelona's defense with crucial passes in the final 3rd. He was dominating force and at the risk of being called peasant again I can't see Marchisio doing any of that (tackling, interceptions, crucial passes) or not in the quantity to deserve that amount of praise. Just tell me who was the player that had similar role to Marchisio in Juventus, Milan or Inter from 1994 onwards?
Martinez is better then marchisio. He is god among covering midfielders, and the true hero of football. This is why the antichrist guardiola will murder him. He knows the white knight against tiki taki is in his team.

That quite the question there.

Inter, during its glory period, had Thiago motta. Does that task, but with more tackeling involved. He was a massive factor and inter lost points nearly every time he wasent playing. And the same is happening at PSG now. He's incredibly smart, but like Martinez, also very tackle happy.
The rest of inter is failure and not worthy talking about

Milan had Albertini for the biggest period of time. Who was an absolute monster cause he combined his defensive covering work, with prilo'esk long range and a shot like ronaldo.
After Albertini, its a diffrent matter. Milan played with a trio of players, Pirlo, Seedorf and Gattuso, to support an attacking player and a forward.
Whilst gattuso was the rabid tackeling dog, pirlo covered, and seedorf filled in according to the situation, but usually covering aswel.
Later on, Ambrosini kinda took that role aswel. He still tackles alot, but knows when to tackle, and is excellent when milan is defending deep, to keep shape. offcourse, thats nothing close to what the trio used to do.

Juventus has had deschamps and later tacchinardi in that role. Tho the latter was a pretty harsh tackeling player. after tacchniardi capello insisted on emerson and vieira, a high profile midfield, without a working player. Good for the league, bad for cup competitions. City has been doing the same basically
after that, we had troublesome years and didnt really had one. Christiano zanetti did it somewhat, but not to that extend
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Yup, Tiago was indeed very important from Inter and once he left it all went downhill for them. I agree with the rest and I was waiting to see how will you get around with Milan, who didn't have one after Albertini left and before Ambrosini, but that's about it.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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it would have been better if you remembered what it meant
I think i do!

It had something to do with Pogba vs Marchisio and how Marchisio make our formation more compact and Pogba was not good like him in that sense or soemthing like that.

In short.. that we needed cheesio more than Pogba for our formation to be more compact.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
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i think the main reason conte doesent use asamoah as a cm is because of his offensive qualities. our midfield is made of 1 creative DM (regista) and two btb CM who are good at defending, making forward runs and are really good passers. while asamoah does have the first two qualities (defense, forward runs) he is not a good passer to be the midfielder that conte wants. i may be wrong but this seems to be one of the reasons...
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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i think the main reason conte doesent use asamoah as a cm is because of his offensive qualities. our midfield is made of 1 creative DM (regista) and two btb CM who are good at defending, making forward runs and are really good passers. while asamoah does have the first two qualities (defense, forward runs) he is not a good passer to be the midfielder that conte wants. i may be wrong but this seems to be one of the reasons...
Or because we'd have to play with Peluso or De Ceglie as LWBs instead.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Then why the $#@! are we looking to buy another CM (Nainggolan) instead of a LB?
That is a different question altogether. Mostly because we really need a good back-up CM, because of depth issues and Pirlos remaining time is a factor of uncertainty.

Now, Conte is obviously pleased with how Asamoah fares as a LWB, and I tend to agree. Don't get me wrong, I think Asamoah could play better as a CM, and I'd really love for him to fulfill his full potential, he's probably among my favourite five Juve players right now. But as long as we play 3-5-2 (and changing that is another topic again, but for now it seems Conte will stick to this formation), there is not really a better choice than Asamoah. Shout Coentrao all you want, he's not really an upgrade.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Then why the fuck are we looking to buy another CM (Nainggolan) instead of a LB?
Dont worry, it has nothing to do with 4 cm formations, its just the newspapers

Marotta will be looking at wingers and leftbacks, considering how much better asamoah is in the center, and that we need wingers for the 433 that conte deserves
 
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Killing hyena matriarchs, as Ntchwaidumela did, disrupts the clan’s social structure. It can take months for a new matriarch to emerge from within the group. Without a matriarch to help coordinate the exploitation of chaos, the swarming style of the hyena hunt is nowhere near as effective.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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Killing hyena matriarchs, as Ntchwaidumela did, disrupts the clan’s social structure. It can take months for a new matriarch to emerge from within the group. Without a matriarch to help coordinate the exploitation of chaos, the swarming style of the hyena hunt is nowhere near as effective.
We need to make of compilation of these. :D
 

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