Kingsley Coman (16 Viewers)
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All this talk doesn't change one simple thing.
The 24th player out of 25 on this and last year's Juventus squad has already played the equivalent of 2 full CL matches. On top of that, he has played just 20 less minute so far in the Bundesliga than he did in Serie A all of last season.
For arguably the third best team in the world. How does one justify this from a Juventus perspective?
"28 Million". No. It's 5 million right now. What did that 5 million get us? Anything? And think about this for a second. If he does fulfill his potential, and Bayern Munich does pay the 28 million, then in all likelihood, his value would be far greater than that. If it were Barcelona or Real Madrid that made this move, I wouldn't be as pissed off as I am, for the simple fact that those two clubs wipe their asses with 100 Euro notes. 28 million is a proverbial drop in the bucket for them.
But when a club that is as financially astute, and has such a good track record with young players comes along, and makes this proposal, shouldn't someone, anyone at Juventus take a step back and say to themselves "Wait. They want to pay us a total of 28 million for Coman? COMAN??" "Why? What do they know about this kid that we don't". How many huge signings do Bayern Munich make? Not nearly as many as a lot of the other well-to-do clubs out there. So if they come along to offer this, then that should have spoken volumes about how they feel about his talent.
And please, spare me the "he wanted to leave" crap. He's 19. Life is full of disappointments. Since when does a club, ANY CLUB, succumb to the wishes of a 19 year old kid?
And I also understand that he made the French NT. I assume that both Guardiola and Deschamps are idiots? He made it at 19. Paul Pogba didn't make it until he was 20, for the sake of comparison
The 24th player out of 25 on this and last year's Juventus squad has already played the equivalent of 2 full CL matches. On top of that, he has played just 20 less minute so far in the Bundesliga than he did in Serie A all of last season.
For arguably the third best team in the world. How does one justify this from a Juventus perspective?
"28 Million". No. It's 5 million right now. What did that 5 million get us? Anything? And think about this for a second. If he does fulfill his potential, and Bayern Munich does pay the 28 million, then in all likelihood, his value would be far greater than that. If it were Barcelona or Real Madrid that made this move, I wouldn't be as pissed off as I am, for the simple fact that those two clubs wipe their asses with 100 Euro notes. 28 million is a proverbial drop in the bucket for them.
But when a club that is as financially astute, and has such a good track record with young players comes along, and makes this proposal, shouldn't someone, anyone at Juventus take a step back and say to themselves "Wait. They want to pay us a total of 28 million for Coman? COMAN??" "Why? What do they know about this kid that we don't". How many huge signings do Bayern Munich make? Not nearly as many as a lot of the other well-to-do clubs out there. So if they come along to offer this, then that should have spoken volumes about how they feel about his talent.
And please, spare me the "he wanted to leave" crap. He's 19. Life is full of disappointments. Since when does a club, ANY CLUB, succumb to the wishes of a 19 year old kid?
And I also understand that he made the French NT. I assume that both Guardiola and Deschamps are idiots? He made it at 19. Paul Pogba didn't make it until he was 20, for the sake of comparison
Perhaps we can buy a time machine from the money we get for coman to use your hindsight logic before we loan somebody out in the future.
Even with a magical crystal ball it would not change a thing. He did not deliver when we needed him to deliver and putting on another inexperienced player to a squad which already has young people that can not lead by their own like Moraga would not help. He can score 100 goals for Bayern and it would not change the fact that he is and probably still would be crap for us.
With your peasant logic we could also argue that we were wrong to get rid of Giovinco because he flourishes in better circumstances. So he would do just as well for us, right?
Worst homer Simpson logic ever. You would probably refrain from selling your ice-cream on the north pole when someone came up to you and offered you money because this cone of ice-cream must have magical attributes you did not know of, why else would somebody offer money for it then?
The staff saw coman day in and day out for more than a year and the very few appearances he was offered showed that he was crap in training too, otherwise he would have gotten more chances on the pitch. The fact that Bayern offers money for that guy we thoroughly assessed was at the time and still is good enough business. What kind of retard would change his mind about a player one could evaluate for more than a year just because somebody who had way less information about the player would be willing to loan him out?
This really takes the cake right here. You really have no clue. Bayern does many huge signings. They basically buy all good players of the Bundesliga. You just think that these are no big signings because Bayern gets all the players from German clubs for below 50 million because every German club is Bayerns bitch and acknowledges that every players dream is to player for Bayern, but Bayern buy every good player of the league. It is a very good situation for them because they get players cheaper than if they bought from other leagues and there is less risks because the players are already accustomed to the league.
So let's move on to how much this offer means in terms of talent. Pretty much nothing. It would have meant something if they bought him straight but they did not. The only reason he got loaned by them was to bolster the left wing position because Ribeiry is always injured and they would have only Götze to fill in there. It is really the perfect short term fix. In crucial games they can play Götze and can rest him when a rat face is enough to score against minnows whose whole team is worth less than half of Comans fee.
They now have the time to search for a proper Ribeiry replacement and if they are lucky Coman turns from rat wigg to human player and they are already good die for the future. If not they buy a different star winger and can get rid of Conan on the cheap having had a very inexpensive stop gap solution . If Ribeiry is healthy again Coman will not see a minute of football anymore.
Let me point out again, bayern would not have loaned out coman if Ribeiry and Götze would be fit, because they could just search for a proper Ribeiry replacement for the future without needing stop gap solutions.
Even with a magical crystal ball it would not change a thing. He did not deliver when we needed him to deliver and putting on another inexperienced player to a squad which already has young people that can not lead by their own like Moraga would not help. He can score 100 goals for Bayern and it would not change the fact that he is and probably still would be crap for us.
With your peasant logic we could also argue that we were wrong to get rid of Giovinco because he flourishes in better circumstances. So he would do just as well for us, right?
Worst homer Simpson logic ever. You would probably refrain from selling your ice-cream on the north pole when someone came up to you and offered you money because this cone of ice-cream must have magical attributes you did not know of, why else would somebody offer money for it then?
The staff saw coman day in and day out for more than a year and the very few appearances he was offered showed that he was crap in training too, otherwise he would have gotten more chances on the pitch. The fact that Bayern offers money for that guy we thoroughly assessed was at the time and still is good enough business. What kind of retard would change his mind about a player one could evaluate for more than a year just because somebody who had way less information about the player would be willing to loan him out?
This really takes the cake right here. You really have no clue. Bayern does many huge signings. They basically buy all good players of the Bundesliga. You just think that these are no big signings because Bayern gets all the players from German clubs for below 50 million because every German club is Bayerns bitch and acknowledges that every players dream is to player for Bayern, but Bayern buy every good player of the league. It is a very good situation for them because they get players cheaper than if they bought from other leagues and there is less risks because the players are already accustomed to the league.
So let's move on to how much this offer means in terms of talent. Pretty much nothing. It would have meant something if they bought him straight but they did not. The only reason he got loaned by them was to bolster the left wing position because Ribeiry is always injured and they would have only Götze to fill in there. It is really the perfect short term fix. In crucial games they can play Götze and can rest him when a rat face is enough to score against minnows whose whole team is worth less than half of Comans fee.
They now have the time to search for a proper Ribeiry replacement and if they are lucky Coman turns from rat wigg to human player and they are already good die for the future. If not they buy a different star winger and can get rid of Conan on the cheap having had a very inexpensive stop gap solution . If Ribeiry is healthy again Coman will not see a minute of football anymore.
Let me point out again, bayern would not have loaned out coman if Ribeiry and Götze would be fit, because they could just search for a proper Ribeiry replacement for the future without needing stop gap solutions.
Good post, whoever think Coman deal was a good business is just irrational, remember there are people which could argue about ISIS point of view. It doesn't make sense to try to be rational with them.i know football knowledge was never your stronk point, but just to enlighten you.
these are the transfers of players that bayern got from other german teams (basically buying the best players of the competition)
2014/15 Lewandowski
2013/14 Götze
2012/13 Mandzukic, Dante, Pizzaro
2011/12 Neuer
2010/11 Gustavo,(Alaba), Kroos, Breno
2009/10 Gomez, Baumjohann, Olic, Hummels
now i got to admit, considering your lack of knowledge you might not even consider these purchases big, because you simply dont have a clue about what the german teams best players were.
these are the transfers of players that bayern got from other german teams (basically buying the best players of the competition)
2014/15 Lewandowski
2013/14 Götze
2012/13 Mandzukic, Dante, Pizzaro
2011/12 Neuer
2010/11 Gustavo,(Alaba), Kroos, Breno
2009/10 Gomez, Baumjohann, Olic, Hummels
now i got to admit, considering your lack of knowledge you might not even consider these purchases big, because you simply dont have a clue about what the german teams best players were.
