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Juliano13

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Because you repeatedly post the same nonsense of how the guy who scored MANY goals for us, been a consistent match winner, and scored more goals then a striker done for us in decades, has been a bad signing. You REPEATEDLY post this, and I will continue to mock this dumbass notion whenever I feel like. As it would be with anyone else who massively underrate his performances for us.



There is one thing to demand more (and the price was crazy), defenitely want more, but another to call him a bad or even worse, irrelevant signing is just dumb, it really is beyond dumb. State whatever reasons you like, it will remain so because his contribution speaks for itself.





NOTHING of this is what an irrelevant player would do.


If anything this guy has LEGIT reasons to demand more from Juve, because we play so conservative so often that he doesnt get enough chances created for him. We are often in save energy mode (Sacchi said it best, Juve will be a much better team if we dont only play for 15-20 mins a game and rest be playing with caution/foot off the pedal) or play with predictable approach that barely opens up lanes for him. He can score more, and we can do ALOT more to help him do that, alot more, many games where he scored with the only half chances he gotten. But question is does he care aslong as we win? Clearly why he came here.
Once again you prove that you have nothing to say about any of the arguments I gave. The discussion is pointless because it's not that you disagree, you just don't get what I tried to say. You're most likely never going to get it.

Instead of arguing about the past, why don't we make some predictions about the future of Higuain and see who ends up being closer to the truth?

Here is my prediction:

1. He will always be a choker and underperform in important games.
2. He has maximum 2 season of 20+ league goals left in him.
3. He will never have a season as good as 2015/16 with Napoli.
4. After 2 seasons he will either become a sub on a huge salary that we can't get rid of, or we will manage to sell him for 15-20m.
 

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MrMonkey

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Jul 15, 2017
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my prediction:

1. He will always be a choker and underperform in important games.
2. He has maximum 2 season of 20+ league goals left in him.
3. He will never have a season as good as 2015/16 with Napoli.
4. After 2 seasons he will either become a sub on a huge salary that we can't get rid of, or we will manage to sell him for 15-20m.
I don't agree with 1, but in my post I more or less stated I'm OK with 2, 3, and 4 if we get a CL title. Plus maybe that salary won't be that big in couple years and he can play big brother to #10 Dybala and have role in guy staying with Juve?
 

pitbull

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I don't agree with 1, but in my post I more or less stated I'm OK with 2, 3, and 4 if we get a CL title. Plus maybe that salary won't be that big in couple years and he can play big brother to #10 Dybala and have role in guy staying with Juve?
Well he has been choking in the past, what makes you think he'll turn it around? His non-stop crying since de Laurentiis called him fat don't exactly speak volumes about his mental strength or self-confidence.
 

Juliano13

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I don't agree with 1, but in my post I more or less stated I'm OK with 2, 3, and 4 if we get a CL title. Plus maybe that salary won't be that big in couple years and he can play big brother to #10 Dybala and have role in guy staying with Juve?
I'd be OK with it if we get a CL, too but that doesn't change much. We almost won the title last season with him choking along the way. We could have realistically won the CL last year with him scoring 0 goals in the KO stages.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
Once again you prove that you have nothing to say about any of the arguments I gave. The discussion is pointless because it's not that you disagree, you just don't get what I tried to say. You're most likely never going to get it.

Instead of arguing about the past, why don't we make some predictions about the future of Higuain and see who ends up being closer to the truth?

Here is my prediction:

1. He will always be a choker and underperform in important games.
2. He has maximum 2 season of 20+ league goals left in him.
3. He will never have a season as good as 2015/16 with Napoli.
4. After 2 seasons he will either become a sub on a huge salary that we can't get rid of, or we will manage to sell him for 15-20m.
You are full of shit in majority of what you said about him so far, just sneak in ways to call him bad nonstop, our top friggin scorer and match winner by some margin, hence why there isnt even anything to discuss. No wonder you decide to focus on future since you cant legitly call his 1st season bad in any shape whatsoever...


Here's my response to your predictions.

1. Very subjective but yeah defenitely seems like someone who doesnt thrive under biggiest pressure at all, some players just have different drives/ways to get into games (he is a streaky type who takes a while to get into his groove, and in memorable finals you judged too definitely on, you dont have much time). Tho important games arent only finals. He gave us match winners in several big league games, as he did for Napoli.

2. I very much doubt that, even if he is slower then before since he decided to become robust and all around complete CF (used to be quick as heck counter player for Real, but better and more skilled now), he is all about instinctive very well ranged array of finishing. He doesnt rely heavily on physique but instinct and, positioning and technique. He is only 29 too, a 36 year old Zlatan still scoring 20+ goals, so I doubt very much on 2 more seasons only. I give him around 4 more seasons if he stays healthy.

3. His Napoli SEASON WAS A HISTORIC SEASON THAT BROKE A record from 1928–29...So yeah, no one will be touching that. How is that even a critique, he wont touch his own wtf level of insane scoring?


4. Very much doubt he will become a sub, and not only just 2 seasons for sure. You underestimate what a naturally fit and instinctive box striker he is and selling short his longevity. But if he slows down, which wont be just 2 seasons, we will sell him IMMEDIATELY, dont think he is the type of profile who will be on bench, he is too much of a competetive egoistic psycho to stay motivated on a bench.




Main difference between you and me is I dont pin my CL hopes on him. Its a team game, and only question I need answering to is, are we better with him on the team then not? And its a defenite yes for me. A top striker who is a very natural finisher. And its defenitely a team game, so I wouldnt scapegoat one player for a teams failure in any shape or form. He has shown throughout the season what a fantastic and consistent top contributor he is to the team (he really bailed us out so many times we take it for granted, flatout disrespectful), takes so much damn pressure off the rest with his effortless finishing. Tho Allegri needs to figure out a way to space his performances/goals better. Because he defenitely was out of sorts and very off form come spring time, while he was scoring like crazy the months before. Defenitely need to keep momentum to hit his high streaks in spring instead.


And lastly, I do NOT judge him at all on the 90m fee, I did in initial months, but afterwards realized it really has nothing to do with him, but just club doing whatever possible to improve the team.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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You are full of shit in majority of what you said about him so far, just sneak in ways to call him bad nonstop, our top friggin scorer and match winner by some margin, hence why there isnt even anything to discuss. No wonder you decide to focus on future since you cant legitly call his 1st season bad in any shape whatsoever...


Here's my response to your predictions.

1. Very subjective but yeah defenitely seems like someone who doesnt thrive under biggiest pressure at all, some players just have different drives/ways to get into games (he is a streaky type who takes a while to get into his groove, and in memorable finals you judged too definitely on, you dont have much time). Tho important games arent only finals. He gave us match winners in several big league games, as he did for Napoli.
So do you agree that he will keep choking in the key games? And if he does then doesn't that make him a bad purchase even if he scores against the weak opponents?
2. I very much doubt that, even if he is slower then before since he decided to become robust and all around complete CF (used to be quick as heck counter player for Real, but better and more skilled now), he is all about instinctive very well ranged array of finishing. He doesnt rely heavily on physique but instinct and, positioning and technique. He is only 29 too, a 36 year old Zlatan still scoring 20+ goals, so I doubt very much on 2 more seasons only. I give him around 4 more seasons if he stays healthy.
I guess we'll see who's right.
3. His Napoli SEASON WAS A HISTORIC SEASON THAT BROKE A record from 1928–29...So yeah, no one will be touching that. How is that even a critique, he wont touch his own wtf level of insane scoring?
Turn your brain on man! The way you make good business is by buying good players who can develop and reach their maximum potential. That's the only way Juve can compete with teams that have double their revenue. Buying a player after he has just had his best season and is only going downhill from there on for a crazy fee is not good business.

4. Very much doubt he will become a sub, and not only just 2 seasons for sure. You underestimate what a naturally fit and instinctive box striker he is and selling short his longevity. But if he slows down, which wont be just 2 seasons, we will sell him IMMEDIATELY, dont think he is the type of profile who will be on bench, he is too much of a competetive egoistic psycho to stay motivated on a bench.
:lol: that fatass
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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He looks fat, but if you stop being a superficial bitch for a second you will realize he's very fit as hell player, he rarely ever gets injured, he brushes off players like they arent there with dynamic power. Has exceptional body control and scores goals in crazy varied ways and with deceptive athleticism. Only downside to adding the robust power to his game past few years is he has lost his explosive speed, so he is kinda frustrating in counters at times.



And no Higauin is very far from bad signing. I couldnt care less about good bussiness. He is a clear significant upgrade to our team. And just because your best season was HISTORIC season doesnt mean you are bad signing just because you arent likely beat your own record again, ffs he was our top scorer, how can that be a bad signing.

And btw he CAN get such figures again if we build our entire attack solely through him and play hyper attacking fluid football, but we dont, and we wont. A because its not necessary to win, but B because we arent simply that type of team (if he played in PSG, Dortmund etc type of super attacking teams that solely provide for CF to score all goals, then yeah its doable to repeat it). Btw its something we need to become more of to have better chance to win CL, to be a much more imposing attacking team that can take the extra gear to opponents on consistent way over whole game. And not just punish them in spurts and then go on control mode and hope for the best. Having the devastating attacking game become second nature to you will take you far in CL.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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He looks fat, but if you stop being a superficial bitch for a second you will realize he's very fit as hell player, he rarely ever gets injured, he brushes off players like they arent there with dynamic power. Has exceptional body control and scores goals in crazy varied ways and with deceptive athleticism. Only downside to adding the robust power to his game past few years is he has lost his explosive speed, so he is kinda frustrating in counters at times.



And no Higauin is very far from bad signing. I couldnt care less about good bussiness. He is a clear significant upgrade to our team. And just because your best season was HISTORIC season doesnt mean you are bad signing just because you arent likely beat your own record again, ffs he was our top scorer, how can that be a bad signing.

And btw he CAN get such figures again if we build our entire attack solely through him and play hyper attacking fluid football, but we dont, and we wont. A because its not necessary to win, but B because we arent simply that type of team (if he played in PSG, Dortmund etc type of super attacking teams that solely provide for CF to score all goals, then yeah its doable to repeat it). Btw its something we need to become more of to have better chance to win CL, to be a much more imposing attacking team that can take the extra gear to opponents on consistent way over whole game. And not just punish them in spurts and then go on control mode and hope for the best. Having the devastating attacking game become second nature to you will take you far in CL.
Unfortunately we can't afford not to care about that because we don't have the funds that top EPL clubs, PSG, Barca and Real have.

Football is a team sport, that's the important part you don't get. And it doesn't matter how many goals we score or who scores them, only the end results matter. In the last 6 years in Serie A the top goalscorer was never a Juve player. We are still favourites to win Serie A, but we need players that will make the difference in the important games in the CL. The CL titles is decided in 3-4 key KO games. Higuain was a bad signing because we blew more than double or average transfer budget on a player who had scored 2 goals in 20 KO games. And now we expect that he will turn around a lifetime of failure and make the difference when it matters :lol:
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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And if higuain gets injuried? Then only Mandzukic is a real striker.

And with all due respect to him, thats not good enough.
Kean.

The injury records of both Gonzalo and Mario is amazing. We also have Dybala that can play central if we were to switch to say a 433. We could use another striker sure, but its not something we will crumble if we don't. We are more than OK.
 

Juvellino

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Mar 19, 2015
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You are full of shit in majority of what you said about him so far, just sneak in ways to call him bad nonstop, our top friggin scorer and match winner by some margin, hence why there isnt even anything to discuss. No wonder you decide to focus on future since you cant legitly call his 1st season bad in any shape whatsoever...


Here's my response to your predictions.

1. Very subjective but yeah defenitely seems like someone who doesnt thrive under biggiest pressure at all, some players just have different drives/ways to get into games (he is a streaky type who takes a while to get into his groove, and in memorable finals you judged too definitely on, you dont have much time). Tho important games arent only finals. He gave us match winners in several big league games, as he did for Napoli.

2. I very much doubt that, even if he is slower then before since he decided to become robust and all around complete CF (used to be quick as heck counter player for Real, but better and more skilled now), he is all about instinctive very well ranged array of finishing. He doesnt rely heavily on physique but instinct and, positioning and technique. He is only 29 too, a 36 year old Zlatan still scoring 20+ goals, so I doubt very much on 2 more seasons only. I give him around 4 more seasons if he stays healthy.

3. His Napoli SEASON WAS A HISTORIC SEASON THAT BROKE A record from 1928–29...So yeah, no one will be touching that. How is that even a critique, he wont touch his own wtf level of insane scoring?


4. Very much doubt he will become a sub, and not only just 2 seasons for sure. You underestimate what a naturally fit and instinctive box striker he is and selling short his longevity. But if he slows down, which wont be just 2 seasons, we will sell him IMMEDIATELY, dont think he is the type of profile who will be on bench, he is too much of a competetive egoistic psycho to stay motivated on a bench.




Main difference between you and me is I dont pin my CL hopes on him. Its a team game, and only question I need answering to is, are we better with him on the team then not? And its a defenite yes for me. A top striker who is a very natural finisher. And its defenitely a team game, so I wouldnt scapegoat one player for a teams failure in any shape or form. He has shown throughout the season what a fantastic and consistent top contributor he is to the team (he really bailed us out so many times we take it for granted, flatout disrespectful), takes so much damn pressure off the rest with his effortless finishing. Tho Allegri needs to figure out a way to space his performances/goals better. Because he defenitely was out of sorts and very off form come spring time, while he was scoring like crazy the months before. Defenitely need to keep momentum to hit his high streaks in spring instead.


And lastly, I do NOT judge him at all on the 90m fee, I did in initial months, but afterwards realized it really has nothing to do with him, but just club doing whatever possible to improve the team.
:agree:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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We should have never signed him. Dybala+Manzo for the spear head in 4-2-3-1 and use the Pogba money an actual attacking mids or CMs
There are 32 reasons for you stfu :klin:


Mandzukic became terrible as CF for us. Why should we have weakened our attack with Mandzu as our spearhead for sake of signing CMs or AM we should sign regardless of getting Higuain anyways? And who are the available top AMs or CMs we should signed last summer? Besides the Pjanic we got, which shockingly, like a top team, we were able to do while signing Higuain too, instead of neglecting our attack.


If simpleton like you say someone who scored 32 goals should never been signed, whatta heck would you say of Mandzu who barely gets to double digits each season? We signed him easier from Atletico because he lost his scoring touch with them. As he did for Croatia. There is a reason this new top utility role of being tactical team player out wide was created for him. Because he is not fit to lead an attack line anymore at all (why we wanted to keep Morata and signed Higuain, because he was deemed not enough for good reason). He was everywhere but be in box and even miss chances, let alone score. There were times Chiellini was deadlier scorer then him.


Talk about weakening ourselves big time, for what? Because your ego doesn't allow you to like Higuain? Get over it.

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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they are always like that and i am tired of fighting it, just trying to scan the pages when off-topic stuff ends
I apologize for my part in it, but the disrespect to our best attacker is insane imo.


When it comes to Keita, we will defenitely sign him imo, so you shouldn't worry.

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KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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I apologize for my part in it, but the disrespect to our best attacker is insane imo.


When it comes to Keita, we will defenitely sign him imo, so you shouldn't worry.

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Once again, brother, you are on point.


Anyway, if we were to get Balde and keep Kean this year, our backup quartet would be


Kean
Balde-----Bernardeschi------Cuadrado


And that's not even counting Pjaca.


Oh my god :lol:
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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There are 32 reasons for you stfu :klin:


Mandzukic became terrible as CF for us. Why should we have weakened our attack with Mandzu as our spearhead for sake of signing CMs or AM we should sign regardless of getting Higuain anyways? And who are the available top AMs or CMs we should signed last summer? Besides the Pjanic we got, which shockingly, like a top team, we were able to do while signing Higuain too, instead of neglecting our attack.


If simpleton like you say someone who scored 32 goals should never been signed, whatta heck would you say of Mandzu who barely gets to double digits each season? We signed him easier from Atletico because he lost his scoring touch with them. As he did for Croatia. There is a reason this new top utility role of being tactical team player out wide was created for him. Because he is not fit to lead an attack line anymore at all (why we wanted to keep Morata and signed Higuain, because he was deemed not enough for good reason). He was everywhere but be in box and even miss chances, let alone score. There were times Chiellini was deadlier scorer then him.


Talk about weakening ourselves big time, for what? Because your ego doesn't allow you to like Higuain? Get over it.

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:tup:

We spent 94m on a striker. That should say a lot about what the club thought/expected of Mario as a CF. Our club never spends like that and for a specific reason they felt a need to.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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That is crazy depth indeed. But one of Kean or Cuadrado won't be there if we sign Keita.


Hopefully if will be Kean loaned out because our squad is stronger for having Cuadrado as backup.

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Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Once again, brother, you are on point.


Anyway, if we were to get Balde and keep Kean this year, our backup quartet would be


Kean
Balde-----Bernardeschi------Cuadrado


And that's not even counting Pjaca.


Oh my god :lol:
Winter is coming...we will need all the men we can get :D

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That is crazy depth indeed. But one of Kean or Cuadrado won't be there if we sign Keita.


Hopefully if will be Kean loaned out because our squad is stronger for having Cuadrado as backup.

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lol snuck my post in between you and the old man
 
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