Keeping Juventus Italian (2 Viewers)

[Maresca]

this is a dumb thread. i dont think juve should worry about how many italians they have. they should focus on good footballers. building a strong nucleas of good footballers is probably a better idea than building one of italian football players. and hey if you have a good italian footballer its a bonus. ex. Buffon, Del Piero, etc. But saying juve needs more italians is a kind of nationalist facism and not to mention disrespectful to good non italian footballers.

PS I wanted to use the word hitleresque instead of facist but I remembered I am not a member of the US congress.

I can tell you why it is important to have many italian footballers in juventus. most of italians grow up loving and living juventus. they know what juventus is, and they know what it means to play for this great team. this brings the right mentality and spirit in the team. If you have such players in your team, the forign players can take them as an example. what do you think what the problem of Inter is? for most of Inter players, Inter is only a team where they play, and they get their money. but at juve, players like DP, Buffon, Tachinardi, Ferrara (In Milan Maldini, Costacurta) are the players who show the others, what they have to do and think about the team.

so it is not about nationalist facism, surly not.

 

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[Shoryuken]

I can tell you why it is important to have many italian footballers in juventus. most of italians grow up loving and living juventus. they know what juventus is, and they know what it means to play for this great team. this brings the right mentality and spirit in the team. If you have such players in your team, the forign players can take them as an example. what do you think what the problem of Inter is? for most of Inter players, Inter is only a team where they play, and they get their money. but at juve, players like DP, Buffon, Tachinardi, Ferrara (In Milan Maldini, Costacurta) are the players who show the others, what they have to do and think about the team.

so it is not about nationalist facism, surly not.

Good post Maresca, ill give you rep for it.

 

[Maresca]

Good post Maresca, ill give you rep for it.

what do you mean with rep?

 

[Shoryuken]

what do you mean with rep?

Its a new site feature, go to Chxtra blog and read the last two pages. Search for a Mikhail post.

 

[giovanotti]

I can tell you why it is important to have many italian footballers in juventus. most of italians grow up loving and living juventus. they know what juventus is, and they know what it means to play for this great team. this brings the right mentality and spirit in the team. If you have such players in your team, the forign players can take them as an example. what do you think what the problem of Inter is? for most of Inter players, Inter is only a team where they play, and they get their money. but at juve, players like DP, Buffon, Tachinardi, Ferrara (In Milan Maldini, Costacurta) are the players who show the others, what they have to do and think about the team.

so it is not about nationalist facism, surly not.

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You said it all,my friend!:thumbs:

 

[Vinman]

Inter has the biggest problem of all- no Italian starters

In a couple years (or sooner), we may see a foreigner restriction, or a rule making it necessary to have half the starters be Italian

then, Inter are in trouble......

 

[sutnevuJ]

Get with the program people.

Im of italian origin too and i would love for all the players of juve to be italian or for the system to go back to the 80's where only 3 stranieri were allowed, but thats not going to happen.

The new laws are stupid i know, but we have no choice, if we want to compete, we have to look abroad and get the best players we can.

At least we can say that Juve has a program where we still get good italian young talents and bring them up.

After all, Juve has always had a large say in the italian national side and even in this day and age we still feature in it very well.

Credit goes out to the temas like palermo and the like, they compete very well and they are all italian, but Juve needs to stay in the top and to do so, unfortunately,we have to follow the trends of all the other big teams.

Hey at least we are not Inter

 

[Desmond]

Good players come and go, it's the same with Italians.

When an Italian good enough for Juve comes around you can be sure Moggi will be first to knock on his door, till then treat this like a transitionary period. You can't insist we keep rooted to buying Italians at the expense of the club's trophy ambitions.

 

[Bjerknes]

There are some things in football called traditions...which are more important than any opinion on any football forum. If you are struggling to fathom why Juventus needs a solid base of Italian players, perhaps this discussion is slightly beyond you because quite frankly it's obvious. Forfeit the traditions of your club and suddenly it edges closer to becoming another Chievo.

 

[Diobaggio]

I'm amazed by the response I've had to this thread,seems it has generated a lot of interest
Sorry to the ppl who think I am Hitler, but I think most ppl agreed with me.
I'll give you an example of this debate....instead of having Zalayeta as our substitute for Trezegol,why not go for Gionatha Spinesi?? He's been in serie B for years and always scores lots of goals.
I am certain he would come to Juve as a sub,and players who score plenty in serie B usually can score a reasonable number in serie A too.
As for Olivera,I'd have Gasbarroni over him any day...hell, Andrea has been doing very well for Samp this season! Have you seen the way he can dribble past ppl? Same goes for the brilliant Marchionni at Parma.

 

[mikhail]

The foreigners we should keep are Thuram,Gladstone(we havent seen him play yet - he may be good),Emerson,Viera,Nedved,Ibrahimovic,Trezeguet and Mutu.

We should get rid of Bonnefoi,Zebina,Kovac,Olivera,and Zalayeta.

I understand your concern. On the other hand, of the players you've mentioned there, Thuram and Nedved are ageing. I'm not sure how signing Rosicky to replace Nedved would be a problem. The others are mostly starters - I'm not sure what benefit it is to Italy to have more mediocre Italians not playing for anyone. Zalayeta might as well rot in the reserves as some random Italian youth player who might actually develop at a smaller club.

I'm all for targeting Italian players where it doesn't hurt the team though.

 

[Azzurri7]

good point DioBaggio.....Hope we aint gonna turn to be like Inter.

 

[Akerman]

How is it that all discussions always runs down to the use of the words "Hitler" and "Nazi"?

 

[mikhail]

How is it that all discussions always runs down to the use of the words "Hitler" and "Nazi"?

It's called Godwin's law. :google: it. :biggrin:

 

[Akerman]

I won't stop cheering for Juventus even if it was sold to an American like Glazer and only consisted of non-Italian players.

 

[Akerman]

It's called Godwin's law. :google: it. :biggrin:

Yeah I know. I've had that discussion on lots of other boards.

 

[andybandy]

that's worst case scenario. Some jew buying Juventus like som personal toy. Hope Juve will consist of most italian players even though i'm not italian.

 

[loyada]

many foreigner players playing in a league have its benefit and drawbacks.
the opposite situation is happening in france in one hand and italy in other hand.

In france ,
drawback : the best players leave abroad to play hence the league is not prestigious
benefits : the young players have more chance of playing and the quality national team is enhanced.

In italy
benefits : the clubs have the best players in the world hence the league is prestigious
drawback : many young italian warm the bench so no good for the national team,lack of club tradition.


The best situation ? every one and every club has its opinion.

 

[andybandy]

of course a club like juve should have world class players, but there should also be room for talents. i don't think juve has enough room for new talents today.

 

[Cronios]

I dont think that the Italian NT would be better if Juve Milan and Inter were to use only Italian players,or maximum 3stranieri.
Italy has a good system of developing young talents and its not based on foreigners,Italian players value, is sometimes higher than their true value
and they rarely have to leave italy,
world class foreign players add to higher competition,
help to further increase the level of Italian players skill,
young Italians have the chance to learn from the best footballers in the world
and they will have to be competitive enough to match everyone out there or die trying.
Lets have look to clubs that use players only from their countries(Rosenborg,Steaua,Wisla krakow etc etc)what did they get using local players only,are their national teams better?
Compare them with Spanish,French,Greek,Turkish clubs, etc etc
did they get any weaker?did their national teams got any weaker?
There are teams like Palermo,Parma,Lazio,Sampdoria who are powerfull enough and use Italian players only,these are the kind of teams that sould use and promote Italian players and when they are ready,the best of them would (easily)reach players of one of the best european teams,a task much more dif for someone else with similar or even better value would achieve,
try to look from a footballers perspective,see how easy is for a Tacchinardi and a Miccoli to wear the Juve jersey and what adventures,teams,efforts must overcome players like Mutu or Nakata to get the same place,
i dont think the Italians are the ones disadvantaged here...
A big team like Juve sould be complete, competitive comparing to the other best european clubs and set the standards, smaller Italian clubs sould follow.
teams like Juventus is what makes Italians proud,
we are in the top of the world and we use many Italian players
and we fill up the gaps, Italian football cant offer momentary, with elite stranieri,
many of the stars,the coach and the captain of the team is Italian(Buffon,Canna,Zambro,Camo,DP) for the Italian fans to cheer and some foreign key player/tools(Thuram,Neddy,Treze,Emo, the Italian market couldnt provide) to help get the job done and create a formidable group of players.
the key here (as always)is the balance...