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you dont know martin. i still dont get why tom was appointed
you dont know martin. i still dont get why tom was appointed
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you and me both..he must have been stoned or something :dazed:
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I think it does, in a sense, have to do with the fact that he points out Juve's faults, Zlatan, for the simple fact that he's not a Juve supporter.
Case in point.
If I were to say "You know, Juve gets an awful lot of breaks from the officials, and here's example a, b, and c. People here, knowing that I'm a Juve supporter, will say "oh, you're crazy, man, you need to smoke some better weed, and proceed to add a smilie.
In Nick's case, if he were to say the same thing, what would come out is "Oh, go to back to your Milan forum, you wanker, what do you know, you're just jealous because Juve has 27 scudettos, blah, blah, blah......."
There is a big difference into the responses depnding on who is delivering the message.
So, if that's not the case, then what is it?
Is it becuase he has a big ego?? Maybe. But where I'm from, that's actually kinda funny, although I can understand why some peole don't see it as such.
Is it because he's telling a different side of the story, one that we may have passed over and chosen to ignore? That's entirely possible, too.
He's gonna KILL me for defending him like this
Good post, by the way *aca*. Very elegantly stated.
Case in point.
If I were to say "You know, Juve gets an awful lot of breaks from the officials, and here's example a, b, and c. People here, knowing that I'm a Juve supporter, will say "oh, you're crazy, man, you need to smoke some better weed, and proceed to add a smilie.
In Nick's case, if he were to say the same thing, what would come out is "Oh, go to back to your Milan forum, you wanker, what do you know, you're just jealous because Juve has 27 scudettos, blah, blah, blah......."
There is a big difference into the responses depnding on who is delivering the message.
So, if that's not the case, then what is it?
Is it becuase he has a big ego?? Maybe. But where I'm from, that's actually kinda funny, although I can understand why some peole don't see it as such.
Is it because he's telling a different side of the story, one that we may have passed over and chosen to ignore? That's entirely possible, too.
He's gonna KILL me for defending him like this
Good post, by the way *aca*. Very elegantly stated.
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funny thread so far
First of all there is a big difference between being confrontational and seeking confrontation. Incubo is former, no matter what he says. Maybe as someone noticed, as times passes by, his style is changing because his initial approach was simply crap. You ask yourself why? Because looking to prove something every ****en single time simply doesnt work with PPL. You argue your point when you have one, not look for something to argue about.
This is a discussion forum, open for debate. But that is just a starter. As time goes by, forums become much more to their regulars and PPL start to appreciate social aspect of it. Thats the side that is completly missing from your "style" if you want, and majority of the posters either know or feel that. You are not here to enjoy your stay, but to prove your point. You as a member have a big part of what makes this place a community missing. Treatment you get from some tells you so. As long as this is the case, you will be an outsider to this forum. Your experience in the online communities is limited and you fail to see this. You call it a "mob", and dismiss the argument that this is, after all, Juve forum, but bottom line is this IS Juve forum. (btw there are places on the net where you would feel more at home)
To say that i dont argue my point when i disagree is rubbish. To say that i dont defend my team is even bigger pile of S*it. I did my arguments with fans of various teams long time ago in many different places, and I will not fight the same battles again. I chose what i will argue and when and how i will argue it.
The difference between me & you is that i dont have to prove anything to this PPL, while this is the only thing you are interested in (admit it or not). Someone will enjoy exchanges with you in this respect, and this is absolutely fine, but dont complain if not everyone does so.
Last thing is, I'm active just as much as i want or can. I participate in too many forums to dedicate all my time to one only. I enjoy it here because it is a place where certain problems that usually occure in other places seems to be avoiding this place somehow And thats something Juventini here should be (in my view) be proud of.
funny thread so far
First of all there is a big difference between being confrontational and seeking confrontation. Incubo is former, no matter what he says. Maybe as someone noticed, as times passes by, his style is changing because his initial approach was simply crap. You ask yourself why?
Because looking to prove something every ****en single time simply doesnt work with PPL. You argue your point when you have one, not look for something to argue about. This is a discussion forum, open for debate. But that is just a starter. As time goes by, forums become much more to their regulars and PPL start to appreciate social aspect of it. Thats the side that is completly missing from your "style" if you want, and majority of the posters either know or feel that. You are not here to enjoy your stay, but to prove your point. You as a member have a big part of what makes this place a community missing. Treatment you get from some tells you so. As long as this is the case, you will be an outsider to this forum. Your experience in the online communities is limited and you fail to see this. You call it a "mob", and dismiss the argument that this is, after all, Juve forum, but bottom line is this IS Juve forum. (btw there are places on the net where you would feel more at home)
To say that i dont argue my point when i disagree is rubbish. To say that i dont defend my team is even bigger pile of S*it. I did my arguments with fans of various teams long time ago in many different places, and I will not fight the same battles again. I chose what i will argue and when and how i will argue it.
The difference between me & you is that i dont have to prove anything to this PPL, while this is the only thing you are interested in (admit it or not). Someone will enjoy exchanges with you in this respect, and this is absolutely fine
, but dont complain if not everyone does so. Last thing is, I'm active just as much as i want or can. I participate in too many forums to dedicate all my time to one only. I enjoy it here because it is a place where certain problems that usually occure in other places seems to be avoiding this place somehow
And thats something Juventini here should be (in my view) be proud of.
If it's a simpleton's arguement, one would think that you could grasp it, but still you fail...
How would you know anything about positive criticism? You'd have to try offering some before you can judge our reactions to it. And, I wasn't aware that you were able to predict the future. Not only do you know that Juventus will falter and fall down the table, but you also know that members of this forum will leave and join another because of that...amazing.:groan:
I don't understand the point of all this forum morality. Did it ever cross your mind that some people see things differently from you? I mean, maybe some people don't need to "offer uncensored opinions" in order to enjoy a forum. I certainly don't see why it is such a dire necessity for you.
And I'm not going to say, "stop belittling his country" because I don't have a problem with people criticising governments and states. I have a problem with people who generalize entire people's based upon the foreign relations of their government.
I'm not talking about Fred at all, I'm not sure when this became you and him against me, I haven't any issue with the way he repressents hiimself on this forum. You, on the other hand have to realise that you aren't a juventus fan and that means that your motives for being on this forum are questionable. You're obviously not here to support Juve, and that's what the rest of us are here for, and this is a supporters forum. This isn't an "uncensored opinion" forum, it's a Juventus forum, and you are only here by the graces of Juventus fans. Go ahead whine about it, but this forum was created and run by Juventus fans, for Juventus fans.
You are never going to force your morality about "uncensored opinions" and mob mentality on the rest of us. You act in a disrespectful, aggressive, and tactless manner. That earns you a reputation as a troublemaker, and most people don't like troublemakers, they detract from a forum. For instance, this thread, you have completely derailed a thread that is supposed to be about forum awards which had in the past been completely fun and amusing, rather than a pitched battle. It's not mob mentality that makes people dislike you, it's common decency.
How would you know anything about positive criticism? You'd have to try offering some before you can judge our reactions to it. And, I wasn't aware that you were able to predict the future. Not only do you know that Juventus will falter and fall down the table, but you also know that members of this forum will leave and join another because of that...amazing.:groan:
I don't understand the point of all this forum morality. Did it ever cross your mind that some people see things differently from you? I mean, maybe some people don't need to "offer uncensored opinions" in order to enjoy a forum. I certainly don't see why it is such a dire necessity for you.
And I'm not going to say, "stop belittling his country" because I don't have a problem with people criticising governments and states. I have a problem with people who generalize entire people's based upon the foreign relations of their government.
I'm not talking about Fred at all, I'm not sure when this became you and him against me, I haven't any issue with the way he repressents hiimself on this forum. You, on the other hand have to realise that you aren't a juventus fan and that means that your motives for being on this forum are questionable. You're obviously not here to support Juve, and that's what the rest of us are here for, and this is a supporters forum. This isn't an "uncensored opinion" forum, it's a Juventus forum, and you are only here by the graces of Juventus fans. Go ahead whine about it, but this forum was created and run by Juventus fans, for Juventus fans.
You are never going to force your morality about "uncensored opinions" and mob mentality on the rest of us. You act in a disrespectful, aggressive, and tactless manner. That earns you a reputation as a troublemaker, and most people don't like troublemakers, they detract from a forum. For instance, this thread, you have completely derailed a thread that is supposed to be about forum awards which had in the past been completely fun and amusing, rather than a pitched battle. It's not mob mentality that makes people dislike you, it's common decency.
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