Juventus - Lost in Transition (15 Viewers)

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
Moderator
Dec 10, 2004
29,281
#1
The ”New Juventus” is under construction, but the January transfer window is a contributory factor to that the “New Juventus” is going to be rebuilt. But is it economic and healthy to make such renovations under such a short period?

It is 2007 and Juventus is about to embark on the second half of the season in Serie B. When the season began in the fall, a lot was said and Juventus showed that they are a strong team and has since fought hard despite the penalized points to attain a spot in the table that leads to Serie A. The supporters and the players can smell the scent of Serie A and long to play in the top division.

Goals and ambitions in their own place, but I’m afraid we are 'scoring an own goal’ at the moment. First of all it is creating a bad mood. As a Juventus player one has to feel that everyone is ungrateful, they are fighting and giving it all to get Juventus back to its old and already; halfway through the season, replacements are being sought.

The bad mood will most probably have negative impact on the performance on the pitch. Do you think Paro and Marchisio are just as motivated as they were in the fall, knowing that that Mascherano, Mavuba or someone else is going to take their place? God forbid, but if it goes really bad we might miss Serie A.

Furthermore, we will squander the chance to produce our own talents. Had Paro and Marchisio had the chance had the team remained in Serie A? One leaves the concept of the “New Juventus” too quick. It seems the “New Juventus” only exists for one season.

Juventus is a historicaly a big club, and one should have patience enough to realise that you can’t recruit a scudetto in one season. You’re in over your head if you demand immediate success in Serie A. The economy of the club cannot be risked for weird ambitions and at the moment, the fragile economy has to be carefully watched in the next couple of seasons.

Also keep in mind that Trezeguet will most probably leave the team, possibly even Buffon. If these players, the most valued players in Juventus, leave the team we’ll need replacements. The replacements plus the defenders, the midfielders that they team will need will require too many changes in the squad. Will we end with a starting 11 that this sites forum has suggested, then the only ones remaining will be Bojinov and Chiellini?

No, we need to be more careful than that. It doesn't matter if we have a Skoda or a Ferrari, its not sane to change from the 1st gear to the 5th/6th. We have to accelerate in a careful way which is good for the team as well has result. We will buy a couple of new players and give players like Paro the confidence to continue in the black&white shirt. Then a couple of new players ever season, which Juventus has always done, and within a short period Juventus will become a big club in Europe again.

Del Piero’s demands for better players is a bid strange actually. Apart from that, the captain should think about what kind of signals he’s giving out to the club and his teammates. If quality players are brought in that the chances of him starting are reduced (considering that Del Piero wasn’t too happy being on the bench under Capello). And all us Del Piero-fans will gladly see our legend play atleast one more season for Juventus in Serie A; whether we’ll win a scudetto or not.

Success can (and will) not be bought unless one has money like Abramovich. We should that the team and its board of directors can withstand the pressure from the players and the supports and react in the benefit of the club in the long run.

FORZA JUVE!


WASSIF SHABBIR
2007-01-08 19:50:00

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I know it's hard to swallow but I think this guy makes sense. We don't wanna get ahead of ourselves and hurt the team in the long run.

What do you think?

Please discuss.
 

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Gill_juve

Senior Member
May 29, 2006
5,494
#2
makes rational sense but i think hes a little too cautious, lets be realistic, we are juve and signings are going to be made and paro has proven his worth so he has no reason to be worried we will be strong again!
 
Jul 2, 2006
19,446
#3
imo our current situation isn't too bad,we still have money

I believe our youngsters,with 4 new transfers + 2 free transfers we will be scudetto challenger

Buffon will remain,he is irreplacable
Camoranesi wont go another club

Del Piero and Nedved will stay &100 so We have great leaders

what about Trezeguet?

He is my first choice always,but he wants leave we must sell him with very good price to non italian team.Huntelaar is ideal replacement.

Palladino-Bojinov-Huntelaar=Scudetti
 

Dominic

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2004
16,706
#4
I fully agree with this guy. Greatly written article and great points.

All of us like Paro now, but if we get Mascherano, i'm sure Paro is the one to suffer. Or rather Zanetti? Who's also won his place, by being our best player so far together with Buffon and Camoranesi. And that's only Paro, I think Marchisio is even more talented. Marchisio'd be an other one of the many of the past lost in the void, if we would go for the overpaid mediocrities instead of investing in Marchisio's future.

We could invest with big bucks in the area's that are truely lacking (defence, nedved replacement if Marchionni doesn't prove to be that), but other than that we should give space to let some of these players grow and let this team gel. Our current team has quite some shortcomings, but with a few plugs i'm sure we could get a CL spot next year and build from there. Give it time.

P.S. If Buffon and others continue moaning, I wouldn't even miss them anymore..
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
#6
In regards to transfer speculation having a negative impact on the team:
a) The media is driving the speculation, dont slate the club.
b) Marchisio, Paro, etc are getting an opportunity they would have otherwise not got. Its stupid to think by us, or even by themselves, that they would be starters next season. That's not to say that this seasons performances are under-appreicated by fans or the club. As a result, they will have a spot on the squad next season, and maybe in a few years, will be stars. If anything, their performances in serie b have put them on the map for Juve's plan's. Otherwise, they would continue to be loaned out to small clubs across Italy.
 

Cuti

The Real MC
Jul 30, 2006
13,517
#7
In regards to transfer speculation having a negative impact on the team:
a) The media is driving the speculation, dont slate the club.
b) Marchisio, Paro, etc are getting an opportunity they would have otherwise not got. Its stupid to think by us, or even by themselves, that they would be starters next season. That's not to say that this seasons performances are under-appreicated by fans or the club. As a result, they will have a spot on the squad next season, and maybe in a few years, will be stars. If anything, their performances in serie b have put them on the map for Juve's plan's. Otherwise, they would continue to be loaned out to small clubs across Italy.
So this season would have been a waste if they continue to do that
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,790
#9
First and foremost, promotion is not in the bag. We have a few tough matches coming up in the next couple weeks to round out the andata that could easily drop us out of the top 5. If we lose focus on promotion and winning Serie B, the rest of this thinking about competitive squads in Serie A is a complete waste of time.

As for players who might be "on the bubble" should Juve promote, this is Serie B still until further notice. And a great opportunity for the likes of Paro, Marchisio, Palladino, etc., to prove their worthiness as starters to the club. Something some would never have had were Juve in Serie A this season.

So the Serie B challenge is still on as much as ever. We haven't proved jack sh*t yet. And that means it's all out there now for players to prove their mettle for this club, wherever it might end up next season.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
#10
First and foremost, promotion is not in the bag. We have a few tough matches coming up in the next couple weeks to round out the andata that could easily drop us out of the top 5. If we lose focus on promotion and winning Serie B, the rest of this thinking about competitive squads in Serie A is a complete waste of time.

As for players who might be "on the bubble" should Juve promote, this is Serie B still until further notice. And a great opportunity for the likes of Paro, Marchisio, Palladino, etc., to prove their worthiness as starters to the club. Something some would never have had were Juve in Serie A this season.

So the Serie B challenge is still on as much as ever. We haven't proved jack sh*t yet. And that means it's all out there now for players to prove their mettle for this club, wherever it might end up next season.
and on that note, I think we need another defender and midfielder NOW, in order to successfully get our asses out of Serie B, with more reinforcements to come in the summer to achieve a top 3 finish in next years Serie A season
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
#11
I don't see why Marchisio, Paro and Palladino couldn't be in contention for a starting spot next year. Do you guys really think Palermo and Roma have much better teams than we do? Oh please, with a few adjustments we could very well be on our way for a CL spot. Sure, if we want the title straight away we'll need to invest, but that seems plain stupid to me. Why take a risk with a very unproven Mascherano when we know what Paro can do?
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,393
#12
I don't see why Marchisio, Paro and Palladino couldn't be in contention for a starting spot next year. Do you guys really think Palermo and Roma have much better teams than we do? Oh please, with a few adjustments we could very well be on our way for a CL spot. Sure, if we want the title straight away we'll need to invest, but that seems plain stupid to me. Why take a risk with a very unproven Mascherano when we know what Paro can do?
These few adjustments that you mentioned are replacing Paro, Marchisio and Palladino ;)
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
#13
I fully agree with this guy. Greatly written article and great points.

All of us like Paro now, but if we get Mascherano, i'm sure Paro is the one to suffer. Or rather Zanetti? Who's also won his place, by being our best player so far together with Buffon and Camoranesi. And that's only Paro, I think Marchisio is even more talented. Marchisio'd be an other one of the many of the past lost in the void, if we would go for the overpaid mediocrities instead of investing in Marchisio's future.

We could invest with big bucks in the area's that are truely lacking (defence, nedved replacement if Marchionni doesn't prove to be that), but other than that we should give space to let some of these players grow and let this team gel. Our current team has quite some shortcomings, but with a few plugs i'm sure we could get a CL spot next year and build from there. Give it time.

P.S. If Buffon and others continue moaning, I wouldn't even miss them anymore..
:agree: I tottaly agree with you, we should bring players to the positions we really lacks like defence. All this rumours is just unsettling the players, and that means less motivation. Why should someone like Paro give his 110% on the pitch if he knows that next season in the best scenario he will be sitting on the bench (this is just an example) this devastating players. And also I really must agree on all theese moanings, c'mon leave us or stay with us or just shut up and tell us your decison at the end of season. He wants a better squad than tell that to Secco and Gigli in private, not to all reporters in the world. I know how much I got unsettled when I've red Del Piero is leaving, than just imagine how it affected on the players.

First and foremost, promotion is not in the bag. We have a few tough matches coming up in the next couple weeks to round out the andata that could easily drop us out of the top 5. If we lose focus on promotion and winning Serie B, the rest of this thinking about competitive squads in Serie A is a complete waste of time.

As for players who might be "on the bubble" should Juve promote, this is Serie B still until further notice. And a great opportunity for the likes of Paro, Marchisio, Palladino, etc., to prove their worthiness as starters to the club. Something some would never have had were Juve in Serie A this season.

So the Serie B challenge is still on as much as ever. We haven't proved jack sh*t yet. And that means it's all out there now for players to prove their mettle for this club, wherever it might end up next season.
Yeah, it's ridiculous to think about Serie A when we still need to play 25 matches to win promotion, and if we continue to draw with the teams like Arezzo the future doesn't look that bright. So I say let's first win that promotion than sign few good players and compete in Serie A (easy and simple).

P.S. We lost Chiellini and Boumsong for at least a month, so it would be good if we can bring at least one defender in January to our already weak defense...
 

white_rabbit

Senior Member
Apr 9, 2006
592
#14
well ... there is some truth there

i dont think the club shouldn't search for new plyers .... but they should also view the new transfers as "we need to enforce our team for next year" rather than "we are not strong enough for seire A"

this shows real lack of experience in the manement on transfers

basicly the transfer list should have been disclosed. not putting it to the puplic

after all thats what the previuos juve managment usually did. when did we know about viera transfer?

transfer plans should only be clear in summer not before

i think they should put it down to rest at the end of january transfer and focus on the current team until the end of the season and keep everything on the hush
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
#15
These few adjustments that you mentioned are replacing Paro, Marchisio and Palladino ;)
I think Boumsong and our horrible defence is far more of an issue than Palladino who has already scored several times and Paro and Marchisio who both have put in solid performances. Besides, there's a difference between replacing and giving them a bit more competition.
 

JamalRice10

Mally Loves Nara!
Nov 25, 2005
2,812
#16
well i think we should focus on serie B first and then if we get promoted we can focus on the next object or we stay down look at what we did wrong and sell or big players and look for a talented young squad
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
#18
I think Boumsong and our horrible defence is far more of an issue than Palladino who has already scored several times and Paro and Marchisio who both have put in solid performances. Besides, there's a difference between replacing and giving them a bit more competition.
Excatly :agree: :faq1:
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,393
#19
I think Boumsong and our horrible defence is far more of an issue than Palladino who has already scored several times and Paro and Marchisio who both have put in solid performances. Besides, there's a difference between replacing and giving them a bit more competition.
So what you implemented in the first place was "a few adjustments in the defence".
 

HelterSkelter

Senior Member
Apr 15, 2005
20,626
#20
How come none of our youth team CB's have been given a chance?Arent they any good?Giving them a few games to show their worth at the end of the season where we are HOPEFULLY more or less assured of promotion might not be too bad an idea.They might show promise the way Paro and Marchisio have.
 

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