It's not easy to be proven guilty, I am sure that nothing else from changing the manager team (and the coach) is going to happen.
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I'll survive this time.
Unfortauntely, Alexander, you are jumping to conclusions without due process. Even worse, you're jumping to conclusions about allegations that haven't even been made to the extent to which you're suggesting above.
Now clearly there is a gap between being found guilty and being guilty. And while I don't have definitive information to conclude that Moggi and Giraudo were guilty of serious crimes, there's enough indications for me personally to conclude that they are guilty of something. The question of exactly what and the extent is what's missing.
But the referee bias you speak of? I look at the matches we supposedly plied influence -- draws against Lecce and Parma, a loss to Reggina where we had two goals and a penalty disallowed. Blanket statements like yours above make me believe you're smoking the big anti-Juve bong that sways things in the opposite direction.
As is always the case, the truth -- which we may never find, but I hope we do -- lies somewhere inbetween the extremes of all these accusations. I don't expect Moggi to be smelling like flowers in all this, but I don't expect him to have puppet master control over all matches of Serie A since 1996 as some would lead you to believe.
Now clearly there is a gap between being found guilty and being guilty. And while I don't have definitive information to conclude that Moggi and Giraudo were guilty of serious crimes, there's enough indications for me personally to conclude that they are guilty of something. The question of exactly what and the extent is what's missing.
But the referee bias you speak of? I look at the matches we supposedly plied influence -- draws against Lecce and Parma, a loss to Reggina where we had two goals and a penalty disallowed. Blanket statements like yours above make me believe you're smoking the big anti-Juve bong that sways things in the opposite direction.
As is always the case, the truth -- which we may never find, but I hope we do -- lies somewhere inbetween the extremes of all these accusations. I don't expect Moggi to be smelling like flowers in all this, but I don't expect him to have puppet master control over all matches of Serie A since 1996 as some would lead you to believe.
Anti Juve? I'd say my views are as pro-Juve as they can possibly get.
I'll leave the judgement up to you...
Remember the Iuliano-Ronaldo 'incident' back in 1998 where we fucked Inter so they lost Lo Scudetto? This is just one of a big series of 'incidents' which some of you guys supposedly claim were coincidences...
Answer me this: If I'm wrong and Juve never did anything morally or ethically wrong why did the entíre board resign and jump on the first plane to Hawaii???
I'll leave the judgement up to you...
Remember the Iuliano-Ronaldo 'incident' back in 1998 where we fucked Inter so they lost Lo Scudetto? This is just one of a big series of 'incidents' which some of you guys supposedly claim were coincidences...
Answer me this: If I'm wrong and Juve never did anything morally or ethically wrong why did the entíre board resign and jump on the first plane to Hawaii???
To all of you DUMB PIGS here who still think juve is a great club and this is some kind of a conspiracy, here's some news for you... Juve is a F**KIN' cheater and they've been doing it for so many years, all of you are just too F**KIN' retarded to realize that, just as retarded as the Italian FA who need someone to actually tapped their phone to realize.
Who do you think win you all the 29 scudettos? Your manager? NOPE....Your players? DEFINITELY NOT....MAFIA? HELL YEAH !!!
So just accept the fact that all this time you're supporting a F**KIN' cheater and your team actually SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
OH...and last but not least coz I F**KIN' love this....this loser club of yours will be relegated (HOPEFULLY TO C2). And they very well deserved it coz that's where they should be without the cheating stuff.
I LOVE THIS....THIS IS GREAT NEWS !!!
Who do you think win you all the 29 scudettos? Your manager? NOPE....Your players? DEFINITELY NOT....MAFIA? HELL YEAH !!!
So just accept the fact that all this time you're supporting a F**KIN' cheater and your team actually SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
OH...and last but not least coz I F**KIN' love this....this loser club of yours will be relegated (HOPEFULLY TO C2). And they very well deserved it coz that's where they should be without the cheating stuff.
I LOVE THIS....THIS IS GREAT NEWS !!!
Even funnier if you are defending moggi who has just resigned from a club whose entire board has already resigned - why ?
No need to do anything if moggi & juve board are whiter than white !
For the pedantic or willfully obtuse here's the article without any padding or characters it is still damning and reads like a mafia movie.
No need to do anything if moggi & juve board are whiter than white !
For the pedantic or willfully obtuse here's the article without any padding or characters it is still damning and reads like a mafia movie.
EXHIBIT ONE
“The problem is you didn’t come to me sooner. See, you didn’t know how things worked and you were hurt by it. Let’s see what we can work out so that you’re treated fairly from now on.”
EXHIBIT TWO
“Tell him not to bust our balls. Better yet, I’ll talk to him and put him in his place.”
EXHIBIT THREE
“If you don’t punish Rosetti and Collina, all the other refs will feel entitled to do as they please. We don’t need them breaking our balls!”
EXHIBIT FOUR
“He came into the dressing-room and was furious. He berated Paparesta , stuck his finger in his face and then locked him in there! It was crazy! Don’t worry, though, I’ m not saying a thing about it. I don’t remember anything and I didn’t see anything. But it was mad, I tell you!”
EXHIBIT FIVE
“You need to lay off the referee in this one. You either say the referee was correct in his decision or you don’t show the images at all and gloss over it.”
EXHIBIT SIX
“Great job! You took out half their back four!”
EXHIBIT SEVEN
“We need to deal with him, we need to beat him up. We need to make him haemorrhage, that’s what we need to do. We’ll invent something, we’ll mess with some of his players.”
EXHIBIT EIGHT
Factual but cirumstantial lol
EXHIBIT NINE
“Our new manager was GEA, our general manager was GEA, half the team was GEA,” he said. “It was clear to me that if I wanted to stay, I would have to sack my agent and join GEA as well.”
EXHIBIT TEN
“You’re the boss of the Italian game! You own Serie A!”
QUOTES FROM PREVIOUS POST
“Right, here’s what I was thinking.”
“Let’s hear it. Let’s see what matches up with what I was thinking. Who have you put where?”
“Right, I’ve arranged Inter-Roma, Juve-Udinese, Reggina-Milan, Fiorentina-Parma, and Siena-Messina. I’ve gone with [referees] Bertini, Paparesta, Trefolini, Racalbuto; I’d put Tombolini to start with, but he made a right cock-up of things with Lazio. He gave that penalty…”
“I wanted to make Tombolini miss a weekend, because he made that mistake. If you never punish people…”
“If you don’t punish Collina and Rosetti, all the rest will think they’ve got carte blanche to make whatever decisions they want.”
“I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. Moggi and Giraudo go in, and Moggi starts really threatening him, with his finger right up to the referee’s eye. He was shouting at the linesman too, ‘You’re an absolute disgrace, not giving that penalty, how dare you?’ I pretended not to see anything and went to the toilet.”
“I locked the referee (Paparesta) and linesmen in the toilet and took the keys away with me to the airport.”
“The problem is you didn’t come to me sooner. See, you didn’t know how things worked and you were hurt by it. Let’s see what we can work out so that you’re treated fairly from now on.”
EXHIBIT TWO
“Tell him not to bust our balls. Better yet, I’ll talk to him and put him in his place.”
EXHIBIT THREE
“If you don’t punish Rosetti and Collina, all the other refs will feel entitled to do as they please. We don’t need them breaking our balls!”
EXHIBIT FOUR
“He came into the dressing-room and was furious. He berated Paparesta , stuck his finger in his face and then locked him in there! It was crazy! Don’t worry, though, I’ m not saying a thing about it. I don’t remember anything and I didn’t see anything. But it was mad, I tell you!”
EXHIBIT FIVE
“You need to lay off the referee in this one. You either say the referee was correct in his decision or you don’t show the images at all and gloss over it.”
EXHIBIT SIX
“Great job! You took out half their back four!”
EXHIBIT SEVEN
“We need to deal with him, we need to beat him up. We need to make him haemorrhage, that’s what we need to do. We’ll invent something, we’ll mess with some of his players.”
EXHIBIT EIGHT
Factual but cirumstantial lol
EXHIBIT NINE
“Our new manager was GEA, our general manager was GEA, half the team was GEA,” he said. “It was clear to me that if I wanted to stay, I would have to sack my agent and join GEA as well.”
EXHIBIT TEN
“You’re the boss of the Italian game! You own Serie A!”
QUOTES FROM PREVIOUS POST
“Right, here’s what I was thinking.”
“Let’s hear it. Let’s see what matches up with what I was thinking. Who have you put where?”
“Right, I’ve arranged Inter-Roma, Juve-Udinese, Reggina-Milan, Fiorentina-Parma, and Siena-Messina. I’ve gone with [referees] Bertini, Paparesta, Trefolini, Racalbuto; I’d put Tombolini to start with, but he made a right cock-up of things with Lazio. He gave that penalty…”
“I wanted to make Tombolini miss a weekend, because he made that mistake. If you never punish people…”
“If you don’t punish Collina and Rosetti, all the rest will think they’ve got carte blanche to make whatever decisions they want.”
“I’ve never seen anything like it in my life. Moggi and Giraudo go in, and Moggi starts really threatening him, with his finger right up to the referee’s eye. He was shouting at the linesman too, ‘You’re an absolute disgrace, not giving that penalty, how dare you?’ I pretended not to see anything and went to the toilet.”
“I locked the referee (Paparesta) and linesmen in the toilet and took the keys away with me to the airport.”
speed & skill said:
Even funnier if you are defending moggi who has just resigned from a club whose entire board has already resigned - why ?
No need to do anything if moggi & juve board are whiter than white !
For the pedantic or willfully obtuse here's the article without any padding or characters it is still damning and reads like a mafia movie.
No need to do anything if moggi & juve board are whiter than white !
For the pedantic or willfully obtuse here's the article without any padding or characters it is still damning and reads like a mafia movie.
Don't try and talk to me that way, I personally believe we're guilty on about 90% of the charges
I was merely pointing out that a good percentage of that article was very persuasive bullshit.
Sir Sebastian said:
Don't try and talk to me that way, I personally believe we're guilty on about 90% of the charges
I was merely pointing out that a good percentage of that article was very persuasive bullshit.
I was merely pointing out that a good percentage of that article was very persuasive bullshit.
Inter and milan fUns , u are just pathetic.. Juve is destroying Italian football? lol watch the Supercoppa final again and if u know what's the shape of the ball u will understand. If Moggi has done all these things he is accused for we should have won 12 Scudetti in 12 years and 12 CL. But anyway here is a chance for u to get a little hapiness from the media because from ur team u cannot. Anyway, just wait the result of the court and then we will see who laughes last
imagr said:
Inter and milan fUns , u are just pathetic.. Juve is destroying Italian football? lol watch the Supercoppa final again and if u know what's the shape of the ball u will understand. If Moggi has done all these things he is accused for we should have won 12 Scudetti in 12 years and 12 CL. But anyway here is a chance for u to get a little happiness from the media because from ur team u cannot. Anyway, just wait the result of the court and then we will see who laughes last
I just hope that the judge for once have the guts to do the right thing, and that is to relegate you to serie c1. just imagine your self in our situation, how would you feel if your rival had stolen a couple of scudettos from you wouldn't you be pissed. of course you would.
I'm not only blaming you for our misfortune, since we mostly have to blame our self. but in two seasons if not 3 you have directly stolen the scudetto from us. 97/98 and 01/02