Juventus board resigns after phone tap scandal (18 Viewers)

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
It is really annoying to see how the media chose the right timing to hit at Juventus, with incidents and more incidents relating to Juventus coming up. The media got what they want at last, blowing things out of proportion and now this happens. The media is just jealous about Juventus and has never said anything about Milan, Inter and the lot.

Don't be surprised if more news realting to Juventus coming up every now and then.
 

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Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
No one seems to realize the worst part about us being demoted to serie C. We won't be able to be Juve in winning 11 ten :cry: :D
 
Apr 30, 2006
27
So the latest is the entire Juve board resigned. It was the only way to strip Moggi and Giraudo of their duties and powers immediately. Shareholders meeting on June 29, at which time the major shareholder, the Agnelli family, will put their own appointees into the positions.

The betting scandal involving the 5 players is being investigated because they were bets placed with an illegal bookie. At this stage they haven't determined which matches the bets involved. Obviously, if they involved Juve matches it would be more serious than if they involved other teams.
(Though I recall Lillee/Marsh betting against Australia in that last Ashes test that England won being laughed off - I might email them some newspaper clippings!)

So magistrates all over Italy are suddenly all investigating Juve. Seems to me it's not a bad way for them to make a name for themselves. Di Pietro did it investigating the mafia, but this is sure to make them much more famous. (Di Pietro, a juventino, was actually in the media calling for a clean-out of Juve management).

The only saving grace in all this for the fans is that it's unlikely Juventus will be relegated to Serie B or C. After all, they're by far the biggest club in Italy, and have signed their TV rights deal with Berlusconi. To lose them from Serie A would be disastrous for the League and Mediaset. Juve coming to town is always sure to pack stadiums for even the smallest club, and the TV ratings are massive. So it really isn't in anyone's interest to remove them from A, and I think you'll find that a solution will be found to punish them but keep them in A.

The other thing, of course, is that this will all drag on and on, so by the time all the appeals are over, things can change. Remember Andreotti? originally found guilty of Mafia associations, but eventually cleared on appeal. These magistrates are the first level. There are many levels of appeal above them, and any findings they make against Juve can be overturned. You'd thing the FIGC would be reluctant to penalise Juve before the court process has finished and, if they did, THAT decision would then be appealed.

And rightly so too. Once sport gets into the realm of the courts, people are innocent till proven guilty, so they have every right to pursue all legal avenues open to them to clear their name. Remember Catania and that whole mess?

This is going to get messier and messier....

I have to say that, as a Juventus fan, I am very, very annoyed.

Because I still maintain that the title won in recent years were deserved. The big clubs always get favoured by refs, because refs want to remain in the spotlight and they know that if they piss off the big clubs they'll be reffing Lecce v Treviso. Mix that with ref errors, of which there are many, and you have an explanation for all the alleged "cheating" that goes on.

But from a diehard fan perspective, it's pretty disappointing when some cawksucker wants to play powergames and compromise the team and club we love, and have it dragged through the mud. There's some 14 million Juventus fans in Italy, and countless millions around Europe and the world, and they are the ones who are suffering right now.

They, and people like Alessandro Del Piero or Ciro Ferrara or Antonio Conte, who have given their heart and soul for the club. Not to mention the memory of people like Gaetano Scirea. That's what these fuckwtis were playing free and easy with. The truth is a side-issue in all this. Even if the courts ultimately clear people's names, it will make no difference. The stench will remain forever.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,132
Good post, FJ_forzajuve. :tup:

ZhiXin said:
It is really annoying to see how the media chose the right timing to hit at Juventus, with incidents and more incidents relating to Juventus coming up. The media got what they want at last, blowing things out of proportion and now this happens. The media is just jealous about Juventus and has never said anything about Milan, Inter and the lot.

Don't be surprised if more news realting to Juventus coming up every now and then.
Why is it always the media's fault? Are you too blind to even consider that some of our officials are indeed cheaters? With all the events of the past few days...events such as the FIGC officials stepping down and now the entire Juventus board...coupled with the reports in the media...how exactly is this all nonsense and "media jealousy?"
 

Max

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2003
4,828
I've admitted to the blatant signs that Juventus cheats time and time again. I feel guilty supporting them because I know this shit isn't for real. I tried to let it slide many times: the goal line incident against Chievo last season, the extra, extra time against Bologna three seasons ago, et cetera. I tried to ignore and hide it, you know, put it on the back burner. Now I feel sick for supporting a team of lies. Those black and white shirts are deceitful.

I'm so rattled that I've spent money to support a bunch of fat, greasy, cigar smokin', gun pointin' sons of bitches from Calabria, Sicily, Naples, you name it.

Why? Because I'm an idiot.

I hereby revoke my support of Juventus FC and all of its branches, sectors, and conglomerates.
 

danielz

Junior Member
Apr 5, 2006
85
Andy said:
Good post, FJ_forzajuve. :tup:



Why is it always the media's fault? Are you too blind to even consider that some of our officials are indeed cheaters? With all the events of the past few days...events such as the FIGC officials stepping down and now the entire Juventus board...coupled with the reports in the media...how exactly is this all nonsense and "media jealousy?"
The point is: why does everything is only showed now, when Juventus is one step to win the Scudetto? Everything in the same time, it seems, at least, strange.
And I agree, everything shoud be investigated and involved people punished.

Max said:
I've admitted to the blatant signs that Juventus cheats time and time again. I feel guilty supporting them because I know this shit isn't for real. I tried to let it slide many times: the goal line incident against Chievo last season, the extra, extra time against Bologna three seasons ago, et cetera. I tried to ignore and hide it, you know, put it on the back burner. Now I feel sick for supporting a team of lies. Those black and white shirts are deceitful.

I'm so rattled that I've spent money to support a bunch of fat, greasy, cigar smokin', gun pointin' sons of bitches from Calabria, Sicily, Naples, you name it.

Why? Because I'm an idiot.

I hereby revoke my support of Juventus FC and all of its branches, sectors, and conglomerates.
The solution will never be changing the team, or forgetting everything about soccer. I still think the solution is someone new to do a work to make a fair Juve, without Moggi's shit. What a dream...

And not everything has been proven as Moggi's influence or whatever that may be. Everywhere in the world, referees usually "help" bigger teams. We'll be helped by referees forever, like Milan, Inter, Madrid, Liverpool are.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,776
Max said:
I've admitted to the blatant signs that Juventus cheats time and time again. I feel guilty supporting them because I know this shit isn't for real. I tried to let it slide many times: the goal line incident against Chievo last season, the extra, extra time against Bologna three seasons ago, et cetera. I tried to ignore and hide it, you know, put it on the back burner. Now I feel sick for supporting a team of lies. Those black and white shirts are deceitful.

I'm so rattled that I've spent money to support a bunch of fat, greasy, cigar smokin', gun pointin' sons of bitches from Calabria, Sicily, Naples, you name it.

Why? Because I'm an idiot.

I hereby revoke my support of Juventus FC and all of its branches, sectors, and conglomerates.
But you just self-selected yourself into its camp of fair-weather fans...
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,776
FJ_forzajuve said:
The only saving grace in all this for the fans is that it's unlikely Juventus will be relegated to Serie B or C. After all, they're by far the biggest club in Italy, and have signed their TV rights deal with Berlusconi. To lose them from Serie A would be disastrous for the League and Mediaset.
I had the exact same thought this evening. Juve relegation would be a poison pill for Serie A. It would be Cold War America without its Russian Empire of Evil. It would be a domestic disaster for the finances and interest in the health of the league.

This is going to get messier and messier....

I have to say that, as a Juventus fan, I am very, very annoyed.
We are at a point where some change was going to be good. This much change, I'm not so sure. But we need to clean house for a variety of reasons.

But from a diehard fan perspective, it's pretty disappointing when some cawksucker wants to play powergames and compromise the team and club we love, and have it dragged through the mud.
Amen to that. :agree: Not to mention the complicit inaction of other board members who didn't have the courage to avoid bringing this stain on Juve -- and once there, didn't act to rid itself of it.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,132
danielz said:
The point is: why does everything is only showed now, when Juventus is one step to win the Scudetto? Everything in the same time, it seems, at least, strange.
If the media or whatever forces were actually using all of this information to hinder our ability to win the Scudetto, why wouldn't they have presented this a bit earlier instead of before the last game where we only have to manage a draw with Reggina? Why would they wait until the last minute instead of presenting it a couple weeks ago so we had more of a chance to stumble? If I was the media and wanted to destroy Juventus' Scudetto hopes for the season, I would present it as soon as possible before the club gathers more points under their name. Wouldn't that make a little more sense?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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1. Media is not some monolithic body that acts in unison, but bigger sources light up the fuse and the ensuing crum fight of the smaller sources resonates the explosion.
2. This smear campaign has been in the planning for some time and i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the people mentioned have already plea-bargained.
3. As far as the complexities of fiscal fraud and deal negociations, all I have to say is if you havent made it to the real world: you have no clue.
 
Apr 30, 2006
27
Max said:
I've admitted to the blatant signs that Juventus cheats time and time again. I feel guilty supporting them because I know this shit isn't for real. I tried to let it slide many times: the goal line incident against Chievo last season, the extra, extra time against Bologna three seasons ago, et cetera. I tried to ignore and hide it, you know, put it on the back burner. Now I feel sick for supporting a team of lies. Those black and white shirts are deceitful.

I'm so rattled that I've spent money to support a bunch of fat, greasy, cigar smokin', gun pointin' sons of bitches from Calabria, Sicily, Naples, you name it.

Why? Because I'm an idiot.

I hereby revoke my support of Juventus FC and all of its branches, sectors, and conglomerates.
I presume you're just a troll. If not, you're just a glory-hunting, bandwagoner who jumps off when the going gets tough, and should fuck right off.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Alright lads, settle down. The next few days are crucial, and we just have to wait and see the kind of developments that will take place. And those wondering if we'll be relegated, will you please calm down? Moggi wiretaps or no Moggi wiretaps there is a certain aura and respectaability about Juventus that is hard to contend with - it may sound snobbish or high handed, but it's hard to dole out any form of suggested, extreme punishment to what is Italy's biggest football club. The FIGC knows all too well, the consequences that Juventus FC will be hit by, will have repercussions on the entire federation and Serie A. And I dont think that's something they are willing to risk.

Yes, in the bigger picture I know this Scudetto is a very small fragment, but at this point in time as a fan, I'm just feeling so helpless and frustrated that we're on the verge of throwing away a championship that was all but won 2 months ago. Personally, dont see how we're going to get a result at Reggina, it sounds pessimistic, but imagine - if we've reacted the way we have, what it will be like for our players who are in the thick of things.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Max said:
I've admitted to the blatant signs that Juventus cheats time and time again. I feel guilty supporting them because I know this shit isn't for real. I tried to let it slide many times: the goal line incident against Chievo last season, the extra, extra time against Bologna three seasons ago, et cetera. I tried to ignore and hide it, you know, put it on the back burner. Now I feel sick for supporting a team of lies. Those black and white shirts are deceitful.

I'm so rattled that I've spent money to support a bunch of fat, greasy, cigar smokin', gun pointin' sons of bitches from Calabria, Sicily, Naples, you name it.

Why? Because I'm an idiot.

I hereby revoke my support of Juventus FC and all of its branches, sectors, and conglomerates.

Everybody loves you when you're on the cover. When you're not, they love another.


More than that, it's important you read this:

“Fame is a vapor, popularity an accident, and riches take wings. Only one thing endures and that is character.”
Horace Greeley
 

Maresca

Senior Member
Aug 23, 2004
8,235
FJ_forzajuve said:
So the latest is the entire Juve board resigned. It was the only way to strip Moggi and Giraudo of their duties and powers immediately. Shareholders meeting on June 29, at which time the major shareholder, the Agnelli family, will put their own appointees into the positions.

The betting scandal involving the 5 players is being investigated because they were bets placed with an illegal bookie. At this stage they haven't determined which matches the bets involved. Obviously, if they involved Juve matches it would be more serious than if they involved other teams.
(Though I recall Lillee/Marsh betting against Australia in that last Ashes test that England won being laughed off - I might email them some newspaper clippings!)

So magistrates all over Italy are suddenly all investigating Juve. Seems to me it's not a bad way for them to make a name for themselves. Di Pietro did it investigating the mafia, but this is sure to make them much more famous. (Di Pietro, a juventino, was actually in the media calling for a clean-out of Juve management).

The only saving grace in all this for the fans is that it's unlikely Juventus will be relegated to Serie B or C. After all, they're by far the biggest club in Italy, and have signed their TV rights deal with Berlusconi. To lose them from Serie A would be disastrous for the League and Mediaset. Juve coming to town is always sure to pack stadiums for even the smallest club, and the TV ratings are massive. So it really isn't in anyone's interest to remove them from A, and I think you'll find that a solution will be found to punish them but keep them in A.

The other thing, of course, is that this will all drag on and on, so by the time all the appeals are over, things can change. Remember Andreotti? originally found guilty of Mafia associations, but eventually cleared on appeal. These magistrates are the first level. There are many levels of appeal above them, and any findings they make against Juve can be overturned. You'd thing the FIGC would be reluctant to penalise Juve before the court process has finished and, if they did, THAT decision would then be appealed.

And rightly so too. Once sport gets into the realm of the courts, people are innocent till proven guilty, so they have every right to pursue all legal avenues open to them to clear their name. Remember Catania and that whole mess?

This is going to get messier and messier....

I have to say that, as a Juventus fan, I am very, very annoyed.

Because I still maintain that the title won in recent years were deserved. The big clubs always get favoured by refs, because refs want to remain in the spotlight and they know that if they piss off the big clubs they'll be reffing Lecce v Treviso. Mix that with ref errors, of which there are many, and you have an explanation for all the alleged "cheating" that goes on.

But from a diehard fan perspective, it's pretty disappointing when some cawksucker wants to play powergames and compromise the team and club we love, and have it dragged through the mud. There's some 14 million Juventus fans in Italy, and countless millions around Europe and the world, and they are the ones who are suffering right now.

They, and people like Alessandro Del Piero or Ciro Ferrara or Antonio Conte, who have given their heart and soul for the club. Not to mention the memory of people like Gaetano Scirea. That's what these fuckwtis were playing free and easy with. The truth is a side-issue in all this. Even if the courts ultimately clear people's names, it will make no difference. The stench will remain forever.
exactly, good point. We won the scudetto last year against milan, it was decided ini the game against milan in san siro.
 

AbuGadanzieri

Senior Member
Jan 8, 2006
1,465
please read my message because i think its good

now we must start the action


now i will write about what i think juve have to do

we must bring someone to the management who love the club and acn change the club someone like laporta for barca


i know when there is hard time you have to ask for the help of the friends

now the most people who know juventus from the latest years and love juve are:

1-lippi
2-trappatoni
3-zoff
4-platini
5-vialli
6-ferrara
7-conte

i think we have to bring two of the people to juve management

the best are Lippi and platini because lippi know juve best and because platini has experience in mamagement in uefa

the second option is to bring trppatoni and zoff to the club but the first option is better

now we also have to bring good finance and accounting person to take the role of giraudo because if we dont take good care of money and funds its a big problem

the options for the financial manager

1-jon elka- you all know him
2-Paolo Fresco- old chairman of fiat
3-Giuseppe Morchio - old ceo of fiat
4-Paolo Cantarella- old ceo of ferrari
5-Luca Cordero di Montezemolo- current chairman of fiat
6-Sergio Marchionne- current ceo of fiat


we can build a new triad that will make juve great like laporta made barca great

the new triad


1- Lippi


2-platini


3-Sergio Marchionne or another financial manager





what you think


please discuss
 

Paolo Sosa

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2005
2,377
nothing will happen to Juve interm of their Seria A status, actually i think Fiorentina going to Seria C harmed the italian football that they didn't want to loose any other big italian club and that was obvious in Parma and Lazio and even Roma. Other thing is that they kinda helped Fiorentina to get to Seria A as soon as possible. and these clubs doesn't have half of Juve reputation around the world. Juve is competative domestically and aboard and this will harm the CL also.

i think the max. thing that we will have is a fine and moggi will have his own trail while Juve wont be dragged to it or at least will not be the core of this trail.


( we will be found not guilty :D )
 

AbuGadanzieri

Senior Member
Jan 8, 2006
1,465
AbuGadanzieri said:
please read my message because i think its good

now we must start the action


now i will write about what i think juve have to do

we must bring someone to the management who love the club and acn change the club someone like laporta for barca


i know when there is hard time you have to ask for the help of the friends

now the most people who know juventus from the latest years and love juve are:

1-lippi
2-trappatoni
3-zoff
4-platini
5-vialli
6-ferrara
7-conte

i think we have to bring two of the people to juve management

the best are Lippi and platini because lippi know juve best and because platini has experience in mamagement in uefa

the second option is to bring trppatoni and zoff to the club but the first option is better

now we also have to bring good finance and accounting person to take the role of giraudo because if we dont take good care of money and funds its a big problem

the options for the financial manager

1-jon elka- you all know him
2-Paolo Fresco- old chairman of fiat
3-Giuseppe Morchio - old ceo of fiat
4-Paolo Cantarella- old ceo of ferrari
5-Luca Cordero di Montezemolo- current chairman of fiat
6-Sergio Marchionne- current ceo of fiat


we can build a new triad that will make juve great like laporta made barca great

the new triad


1- Lippi


2-platini


3-Sergio Marchionne or another financial manager





what you think


please discuss
this is like juve was hearing me they will bring back platini

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may12a.html


Juve to bring back Platini Friday 12 May, 2006

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Juventus legend Michel Platini will have a part to play in the future of the club, according to reports in Italy.

The Italian giants are on the verge of starting a new era after the whole board of directors resigned on Thursday in the aftermath of the telephone interception saga which has rocked the Italian game.

As a result, the Old Lady are looking for a replacement for chief operating officer Antonio Giraudo and director general Luciano Moggi.

Jean Claude Blanc and Carlo Sant’Albano are in contention to step in for Giraudo, but there are concerns that their lack of experience in the football world could be a handicap.

Yet John Elkann, an Agnelli whose family hold a controlling share in the outfit, wants Platini to be of assistance.

Although the Frenchman can’t be handed a full-time position as he is in the race for the top FIFA job, Elkann reportedly wants Platini to act as an advisor.

It’s unclear at this stage whether the Frenchman would accept such an option even if the close relationship he had with Gianni Agnelli, Elkann’s grandfather, could be a decisive factor.

Replacing Moggi seems to be a much simpler task for the Italian giants with two men in the race to succeed the transfer chief.

Former Roma director Franco Baldini is believed to be in pole position, even if Chievo’s Giovanni Sartori is also in the frame.
 

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