Juve: the second revloution? J. Elkann planning ahead (1 Viewer)

[Geof]

First off: this is not another thread. If you want to cry and shout your anger, you'll find plenty of thread around here this day. This particular thread is to report, discuss analyse, criticise or applaud initiatives to turn around the crisis and get Juve back to what it is: a winning club.

So, I was wondering what the heck John Elkann was up to these days. He represents our majority shareholder (Ifil) and basically has everything to say. Surely, as the heir of the Agnellis he can't see our club in crisis and do nothing? I google-newsed John Elkann ... and I found interesting stuff in the Italian media. Of course this is a lot of speculation, but part of it could be true. Let's have a look:

It's reported that John Elkann has decided to turn things around, a second post-Moggi revolution... What emerges from the news is that JC Blanc could be removed as the CEO. It's reported that his contract ends this summer, and Elkann would not be keen on offering the man a new one.
Alessio Secco's powers could be limited. His transfer record is extremely poor. Well... I don't need to explain that, now do I?

The man who is most tipped to get in is ... Beppe Marotta, the Sampdoria man. Bettega's name also fell, but it's hard to think we would go back to the triade connection.

On the trainer front, it's a lot more confused and I don't think any media have a real idea. The most cited name is Prandelli's with Mancini close second (the media already love that story: Mancini beating Moratti with Juve). Other names on the list: Donadoni, Vialli and many more.

Additionally, another man is under pressure: Riccardo Capanna, the physio, whose muscular treatments don't really seek to work out, right?


So, do you believe John Elkann is preparing something? Do you give any credibility to the names cited in the news? Do you trust John Elkann at all? Or are we doomed?

what you think, please discuss.


Oh and source: http://www.sportal.it/news/news409373.html http://www.sportmediaset.it/calcio/articoli/articolo17057.shtml http://www.affaritaliani.it/sport/juvealleantoremercato201008d.html, Tuttosport, Headupyourass.com and many more.

 

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[swag]

Johnny boy has credibility. I don't know if he knows more than horsecrap about running a football team. But he seems to have the tools to at least suggest competency.

 

[Ledje]

Bettega + Marotta + Prandelli
Out:

Blanc and Ranieri and Secco..

Why not!

 

[Red]

It's a nice sounding story, but I'll wait and see if it is any more than rumour.

At the moment, any suggestion of positive active is most welcome.

 

[Red]

Bettega + Marotta + Prandelli
Out:

Blanc and Ranieri and Secco..

Why not!

Sounds too good to be true, so it probably is...

 

[Osman]

I am waiting for a sign he cares about Juve. Thats the most important thing, if he does, he wouldnt need to do much to improve our dire sitaution.

It might be lack of information and him hardly being involved with anything remotely connected to Juve except for smile for the cameras, but I doubt he sees us as anything more then a minor insignifcant prestigigious trophy company in a long line of several daugher companies.

But if bothers to give a damn (your news are just rumours, if they are founded on reality, I would be extatic), I would think he would be savvy enough owner to straighten things out. Not that he is a football man, but straigten them out by getting football men who can deal with things.


I really hope we take back Bettega, triade connection or not.

 

[swag]

I think you nailed it, Osman. There's little in Elkann to suggest that he has an interest in Juve as anything more than a curiosity in the family portfolio.

 

[cunninlynguists]

Good thread. I like your way of doing, finding something positive in hard times.
I like his ideas but these are still rumours aren't they?

 

[Osman]

I think the utter Elkann nutcase, Lapo, is a genuine Juve fan, even if he likes the attention of it, dont think he would bother faking being a tifoso. But its unfortunate the Agnelli son that is fond of Juve happens to be a "Fredo" instead of a "Michael", so to speak (I remember reading that John interview, thinking he is a fan like his brother, then immediately reading between the lines that he doesnt see us anything but numbers on a sheet, despite how he was trying to be polite and force himselt to say that he likes Juve and say his grandfather this or that anecdotes, was annoying...).


But heck, even if he would perhaps be closer to be Zamparini kinda nuts then his grandfather kinda leader, what we need is some higher to give a damn about Juve. Because these schmucks running us doing really anyone they answer to that really cares enough to straighten things out.

 

[JCK]

That was a great thread, Geof. It serves to continue the discussion I had with Mark in the Real match thread. And I would like to "skåla" Osman for sharing my point of view on the subject and continuing with the same line of thinking.

Maybe John Elkann is not a football figure but he inherited a business in the shape of Juventus and jut like any other business man his aim is to make profit out of it, either by selling it or by running it.

If he chooses to sell it then his job is to increase its value, now we all know that Juventus has a very high value but not anymore after Calciopoli. And if he chooses to run it he will definitely look at making as much profit from it as possible and turning it to a mid-table team is not the way.

I am sure he was shocked during the scandal and he had to find a fast solution otherwise his business will be lost forever and thus he hired the current board. The step wasn't intelligent maybe but it was available. And after observing the consequences he is realizing that he made wrong choices where he thinks it was because of a hasty decision. A one that was desperately needed.

Will he leave the situation as it is? I don't think so. How far is he willing to go? I don't know either but I hope he will go to the max.

 

[Dominic]

But does anyone know how much power Elkann has anyway? Sure, he inhereted the Angelli empire and he appears to be the top guy, but how 'free' is he of internal influence to do what he wants to?

 

[JCK]

But does anyone know how much power Elkann has anyway? Sure, he inhereted the Angelli empire and he appears to be the top guy, but how 'free' is he of internal influence to do what he wants to?

Yes, this is also something that has to be known, but assuming he has the power would he want his business to bring less profit than its potential?

 

[Osman]

Btw, if we read him wrong, and he actually cares. I dont think he has had any time to correct his mistake and fire these bozos. Because you dont evaluate them after one season only (Serie B doesnt count, smooth sailing) and decide to be gunho and fire them like you are a Zamparini (Must give them time and space to work).

Now I believe if he would make changes, and realises changes are needed, he would do this after this season (because two seasons of imcompetence shows their true colour more, 3 years in change, and can review their work so to speak). There really hasnt been any other opportunity to take those kind of steps.

I think thats how a prudent and reasonable bussinessman would think. Because even if they have been wasteful and not too competent, they havent been outright "fire them NOW" disastrous because we got the CL spot we aimed for last season. But the goals being higher now, and their shortcomings being more apparent after good enough time of running things club, then yeah, as I said, more realistic opportunity to properly review them.

Dont think Gigli being fired or not doesnt matter because I really think he is just the front figure, a puppet who nods and smiles for the cameras, says the cliche PR comment now and then. Isnt a decision maker and active director like Blanc and Secco, in their fields. But more of a President without real power, honorary president (Not like Grande Stevens, who litterally was honorary President, but someone who just President in name only).

 

[Kosta]

And does it considers Juventus as business only or there more into it, like tradition and something his ancestors build with so much love and pride.

 

[Osman]

But does anyone know how much power Elkann has anyway? Sure, he inhereted the Angelli empire and he appears to be the top guy, but how 'free' is he of internal influence to do what he wants to?

Thats a very good question. We (or atleast I) are speculating mainly without knowing much of things work I think. Who are the players, how complicated is the divide of power and influence etc, are good questions.

 

[Red]

My guess, and it is a guess, would be that Elkann has quite limited power and is primarily a figurehead.

That said, I'm sure he has some influence and, if he was really determined (which seems to be the major stumbling block), he could make a difference.

 

[only-juve]

I doubt that there will be any major (or minor) changes atleast during the season. My guess is some minor changes will happen (getting new coach) "IF" the team didn't make it to the champions league next year (finnish top 4). I don't think any of the trio on charge will be changed soon.

 

[Luca]

Agreed, sad but true. I just really can't see this happening unless we completley fail, still, I think prandelli is impossible.

 

[Mark]

So far I see no signs of change and love about this club.

"Everything is ok", "the coach as our support" and "the group is tight" apparently.

I've seen similar stories with companies and even professional baseball clubs(from the inside). It doesn't look good.

The guys in charge right now still need to show me they care.

 

[C4ISR]

Just compare FIAT's reaction to Ferrari getting spied on to their reaction when Juve got spied on.

FIAT dont care about Juventus, and I'm not even sure they care about it from an economic point of view either, since any profitability Juve manages is meaningless compared to FIAT's other business interest which rake in a total profit of 2+ billion euro's

John Elkann is probably a fan, but I doubt he cares enough to take money out of his own pocket, like Gianni did.