Juve: In the Argentinian festival checking Riquelme (13 Viewers)

[Fred]

well the truth is 40 odd percent is hardly good, im surprised lampard hasnt got it thru his thick head that hes simply sh*t at long shots and leave it to players like juninho and nedved

how is it not good when its better than players like Tiago and actually his percentage is better than Juninho's too in the CL.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

how is it not good when its better than players like Tiago and actually his percentage is better than Juninho's too in the CL.

because thats lampards only game plan, at least with tiago and juninho they have other styles of play not primarily just hitting balls from far

 

[suligodsilla]

what the fuck are you guys expecting from tiago he is not an player who makes goals and neither a creative playmaker or something like that. he is simply a player who runs around gets the ball and passes the ball to other players.

 

[white_rabbit]

what the fuck are you guys expecting from tiago he is not an player who makes goals and neither a creative playmaker or something like that. he is simply a player who runs around gets the ball and passes the ball to other players.

isnt that the job of any football player

 

[suligodsilla]

haha maybe
i mean he is not a creative midfielder he works for the other players, for example for deco or c ronaldo in portugal or he worked for juninho in lyon. he is not the typical defensive midfielder but he belongs in that area. but we should talk about him in his thread.

 

[Fred]

because thats lampards only game plan, at least with tiago and juninho they have other styles of play not primarily just hitting balls from far

but you said that most of the time Lampard's shots go to row z..and you said that Tiago's long range shooting is better...these stats say otherwise.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

but you said that most of the time Lampard's shots go to row z..and you said that Tiago's long range shooting is better...these stats say otherwise.

that is because tiago doesnt do it as often as lampard does.

 

[Fred]

that is because tiago doesnt do it as often as lampard does.

that doesnt make sense mate..you say Tiago doesnt do it much and that he's got a better shot on him...so because Lampard shoots more and its his only gameplan then surely Tiago's percentage should to be better...But the fact is its not..which means that theres no real basis to you're assumption.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

that doesnt make sense mate..you say Tiago doesnt do it much and that he's got a better shot on him...so because Lampard shoots more and its his only gameplan then surely Tiago's percentage should to be better...But the fact is its not..which means that theres no real basis to you're assumption.

its an uneven statistical argument. if lampard and tiago had taken the same ammount of shots i can assure u tiago wud have the better average, but the truth is tiago doesnt shoot as far out as often as lampard so his average is bound to be less.

conclusion

riquelme > lampard

tiago > lampard

lampard = sh*t

 

[Ahmed]

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[jukazem]

what the fuck are you guys expecting from tiago he is not an player who makes goals and neither a creative playmaker or something like that. he is simply a player who runs around gets the ball and passes the ball to other players.

FYI Tiago not only makes goals, he also scores. He is a creative playmaker and defends better than Lampard.

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

Lampard's crap with England..and if you think about it,who isnt??


But at club level..the fact is Lampard is proven both in the CL and in the EPL..he isnt world class IMO but he is a very good midfielder..He scores goals his pasing isnt as bad as people make it out to be...He isnt a zidane or a Pirlo in terms of creativity but he makes up for that with his stamina,work rate and goals..

I'd say riquelme is much more talented than Lampard..and footbalistically(i know it isnt a word) he probably is much better..But IMO a player is 60% ability and 40% mentality...riquelme doesnt have the latter..thats why he never proved himself in europe other than that one season where He took Villareal to the semi's and then flopped.

And by the way Lampard's shot\on goal percentage is pretty good for someone who trys long shots alot..its 44%

And his shots on goal percentage in the CL is better than Tiago's by the way

Yess but Riq uses his vision to make other players better...Lamp doesn't. Lamp plays robotic...the goal is to try to cross the ball into the box and hope that Drogba will get the header. Riq tries to play trough balls that enables numerous chances for striker to get 1vs1 vs goalkeeper. Riq can drag 2-3 players onto himself and provide precious space for other players to advance,Lamp can't cuz usually he's marked only in front of the box. Riq's balls have eyes and that is what makes him dangerous at both sides of the pitch. And that is what makes him a far superior playmaker than Lampard. Oh,I forgot set-pieces

 

[Fred]

its an uneven statistical argument. if lampard and tiago had taken the same ammount of shots i can assure u tiago wud have the better average, but the truth is tiago doesnt shoot as far out as often as lampard so his average is bound to be less.

conclusion

riquelme > lampard

tiago > lampard

lampard = sh*t

thats ridiculous man...if someone shoots more he's bound to have a worse percentage...no matter how good he is..especially if its someone who's shots are "90% of the time in row z"

Conclusion


Riquelme is more talented than Lampard no doubt...Riquelme has it in him to be light years ahead of Lampard..But He didnt prove it consistenly in the big stage...

Tiago is a very good midfield player and i'm on of his fans...But fact of the matter is he has never proven he's a better player than Lampard...not in chelsea,not in Lyon maybe on the international stage.

 

[Fred]

Yess but Riq uses his vision to make other players better...Lamp doesn't. Lamp plays robotic...the goal is to try to cross the ball into the box and hope that Drogba will get the header. Riq tries to play trough balls that enables numerous chances for striker to get 1vs1 vs goalkeeper. Riq can drag 2-3 players onto himself and provide precious space for other players to advance,Lamp can't cuz usually he's marked only in front of the box. Riq's balls have eyes and that is what makes him dangerous at both sides of the pitch. And that is what makes him a far superior playmaker than Lampard. Oh,I forgot set-pieces

i agree with your post to some extent..I'd rather have a Riquelme type of player myself..but my point was that Lampard is more proven in Europe..

 

[Badass J Elkann]

thats ridiculous man...if someone shoots more he's bound to have a worse percentage...no matter how good he is..especially if its someone who's shots are "90% of the time in row z"

Conclusion


Riquelme is more talented than Lampard no doubt...Riquelme has it in him to be light years ahead of Lampard..But He didnt prove it consistenly in the big stage...

Tiago is a very good midfield player and i'm on of his fans...But fact of the matter is he has never proven he's a better player than Lampard...not in chelsea,not in Lyon maybe on the international stage.

ok

 

[Fred]

ok

man you're fast!!

 

[Badass J Elkann]

man you're fast!!

i get told that all the time

 

[JCK]

i get told that all the time

You won't feel proud of that when you start your sexual adventures.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

You won't feel proud of that when you start your sexual adventures.

only time will tell eh

 

[DelpieroForLife]

its an uneven statistical argument. if lampard and tiago had taken the same ammount of shots i can assure u tiago wud have the better average, but the truth is tiago doesnt shoot as far out as often as lampard so his average is bound to be less.

conclusion

riquelme > lampard

tiago > lampard

lampard = sh*t

A player who scores lets say 2 out of 5 shoots on target has a better average than another with 1 out of 3, it doesn't make any deference if the former shoots 10 ,100 or million times.

Assuming the Tiago will have a better average if he had more shoots isn't vaild, at least from a mathematical point of view.