Juve eye Van Der Vaart (22 Viewers)

[Adrian]

i feel that Moggi shouldnt be making deals right now until the new coach joins the club. obviously a new coach will have new ideas and would need certain type of players to fulfil his ambitions of making juve the best again.

i think defenders are the only players which moggi can go ahead and buy as we need them regardless of what tactics are going to be used with our new coach.

we know that trezeguet is leaving, and thats about it. But profits and making our shareholders happy can only mean that if moggi is to spend big, then he has to sell big also. you want VDV or Rosicky, then you are not going to have nedved for example. The club cant afford to just splash out cash on players.

jun-hide makes some good points. the only thing is though that our stars, or core, are either too old or not good enough. thuram is old now, nedved is old also, del piero is nearing 30 but is injury prone. davids is leaving and so is trezeguet. zambrotta is there yes, but thats it. so it really is a case of trying to rebuild that core with younger stars who you know will be around for at least 4 seasons.

what should really be done over the next summers is releasing these players and implementing the younger stars in. something that should have been done to our defence over the past 3 summers but wasnt. hence we are screwed now.

 

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[Slagathor]

Jun-hide - we may be capable of spending big but:

1) Ajax are never going to accept that ludicrous Tudor offer that's in the media right now

2) Van der Vaart has STRONG preferences for Spain and England. Italy is distant second.

It's not all about the money.

 

[Desmond]

VDV's headed for the well-trodden path between ajax and barca,that much i'm sure of.whether moggi is determined enough to go all the way to beat barca and tempt VDV, i don't know.

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Adrian ] ++
i feel that Moggi shouldnt be making deals right now until the new coach joins the club. obviously a new coach will have new ideas and would need certain type of players to fulfil his ambitions of making juve the best again.

i think defenders are the only players which moggi can go ahead and buy as we need them regardless of what tactics are going to be used with our new coach.

we know that trezeguet is leaving, and thats about it. But profits and making our shareholders happy can only mean that if moggi is to spend big, then he has to sell big also. you want VDV or Rosicky, then you are not going to have nedved for example. The club cant afford to just splash out cash on players.

jun-hide makes some good points. the only thing is though that our stars, or core, are either too old or not good enough. thuram is old now, nedved is old also, del piero is nearing 30 but is injury prone. davids is leaving and so is trezeguet. zambrotta is there yes, but thats it. so it really is a case of trying to rebuild that core with younger stars who you know will be around for at least 4 seasons.

what should really be done over the next summers is releasing these players and implementing the younger stars in. something that should have been done to our defence over the past 3 summers but wasnt. hence we are screwed now.

spot on analysis of what will happen, happeing and happend...i agree.

 

[Jun-hide]

Erik,

I was merely trying to neutralize some of the sceptism surrounding this board. . I am just sick of hearing people say that we cant possible beat this team and that because we arent big, we arent rich, and we arent prestigeous enough, and so forth. So VDV was merely used to illustrate the point if we have enough conviction, strategy, and desire to sign Van der Vaart then we may just sign him. I certainly did not make certain points to directly contradict you..

Anyway, I do believe that Van der Vaart is likely going to join some team in Spain or England. And in Italy, Milan certainly looks more promising than that. And I also agree that Ajax will not accept Tudor or Tudor for that matter. Tudor will certainly not want to step backwards by joining a team a supposedly a weaker league, nor does Ajax would want to take a player with high wage, injury proneness, and age.
Nonetheless, I think we will likely to end up with Rosicky and other players than VDV.

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
I think we will spend money on big names this summer. After all, Juve is a big club.
And those who thinks Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal are better than us then you are completely wrong. With the exception of Man U, we probably have more supporters than Arsenal Chelsea combined. Juve has club image that is equal to Man U, Barca, Milan, and Inter. We have histroy than can match anyone. Not to mention we had second highest revenue last season.
So whoever thinks that we are not capable of getting Rosicky, VDV, Diego, and so forth then you are completely wrong.

I believe one of the reason why Juve didnt get big names last couple of years is that we already had good core of players from which we can be very competitive. Why need another superstar when you have Thuram, Buffon, Del Piero, Nedved, Davids, Trezeguet, Zambrotta? It is much more sensible to buy complementary players and squad players rather be wasteful on 30m talent, as Real is now finding out to great cost.
The reason why I believe we will buy big is that the core players that we have are not good enough or young enough to create a dynasty. Hence I think it is very possible that we will buy very young talented player.
Of course, everyone talks about it is impossible to find Zizous, and Del Pieros everytime; a diamond in the rough. However, lets not forget those were days prior to the proliferation of Internet. DVD, Rosicky generation, on the other hand, is more well known to the public despite their tender age mainly because there are a lot more internet users and hence the mode of communication has improved.It doesnt mean that they were better than Zizou or Alex at the simialr developmental stage.
I believe that Juve will buy players who they regard as world class regardless of our thoughts. This may be VDV, Rosicky, Diego or may be none of these, but it does not mean that Juve is umabitious club who will refuse to sign any world class player.

However, as Juve is a sensible profit maximizing firm, I believe that signings will almost certainly made by selling the group of players we currently have.

dyo was a expensive gamble, that isnt paying off rite now. It was clear as day that we needed defender for the last few season, but nothing bar leggo was done about it, we even converted a top class winger into a defender. leggo should be highlighted a mistake, not the required consistant perfromance to warrant his purchacse imo, imo it was a knee jerk reaction....we needed younger faster players, but we o leggo, not he rigt move....im sure juve is aware of depreciation, well our team his a massive fall in terms of depreciation last/this year, especialy as well all knew most of our stallwart were getting towards the end of the life cycle that is a football career.

 

[Jun-hide]

John,

I think buying Legro was not a mistake. It is a mistake with hindsight, but at the moment of time of the purchase he was very good player. Furthermore, we signed him with relatively little cash using Sculli, Gastadello and Paro. No disrespect to these players but I give little chance of any of them succeeding in Juve. So yes, Legro performance this year has hurt us big but financially he didnt.

The big mistake Moggi made this year, IMO, is that he did not buy another defender. I felt and most of us here, believed we were lacking two defenders but Moggi felt he just needed one, and we are paying for that mistake.

Nonetheless, I do think Moggi has done relatively well last couple of years because 1) our success in the field last couple of years 2) created depth in the youth rank and 3) found some cheap bargains who became pretty good role players.
What he has done well IMO is that he analyzed the situation well, and added players whom he felt gave the team balance, and competitiveness.
In Lippi`s first year, we lacked depth seriously, which explains our elimination in CL (No disrespect to Bayer Leverkusen but I doubt we would have lost to them with whole team being available) so he went out and added depth with little spending. When Ancelloti got fired, he bought players such as Nedeved, Thuram, and Buffon who fits into Lippi`s system.

Hence, I think Moggi will analyze the current team, and decide which manager he and the board want. Then he will buy players who will fits into the new coach`s system. Some big players will leave and some big players will come, IMO, but I am pretty certain that Moggi will assemble competitive team by the start of next season.

 

[Ian]

++ [ originally posted by Andrea Becchi ] ++
I think it was a dumb move by Arsenal, cuz don't Reyes and Van Persie play in the same position. Now, I don't think Trez will be wearing their red and white.

I certainly never believed that Trezeguet was going to Highbury, but Van Persie can play anywhere in the forward line, or as a playmaker, or on the left wing. He'll have no problems at Arsenal.

 

[LEC]

++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
John,

I think buying Legro was not a mistake. It is a mistake with hindsight, but at the moment of time of the purchase he was very good player. Furthermore, we signed him with relatively little cash using Sculli, Gastadello and Paro. No disrespect to these players but I give little chance of any of them succeeding in Juve. So yes, Legro performance this year has hurt us big but financially he didnt.

The big mistake Moggi made this year, IMO, is that he did not buy another defender. I felt and most of us here, believed we were lacking two defenders but Moggi felt he just needed one, and we are paying for that mistake.

Nonetheless, I do think Moggi has done relatively well last couple of years because 1) our success in the field last couple of years 2) created depth in the youth rank and 3) found some cheap bargains who became pretty good role players.
What he has done well IMO is that he analyzed the situation well, and added players whom he felt gave the team balance, and competitiveness.
In Lippi`s first year, we lacked depth seriously, which explains our elimination in CL (No disrespect to Bayer Leverkusen but I doubt we would have lost to them with whole team being available) so he went out and added depth with little spending. When Ancelloti got fired, he bought players such as Nedeved, Thuram, and Buffon who fits into Lippi`s system.

Hence, I think Moggi will analyze the current team, and decide which manager he and the board want. Then he will buy players who will fits into the new coach`s system. Some big players will leave and some big players will come, IMO, but I am pretty certain that Moggi will assemble competitive team by the start of next season.

yap

 

[sallyinzaghi]

FFS Just get Van Der Vaart goddammit, for ONCE get one of my fav players. The only time you've done that was when you got Camo and Nedved, and that didn't last that long.

 

[epitaph]

bring him on!!

 

[Rainforest Liu]

I for sure he isn't coming to Juve. Juve can't buy more stars.

 

[delpiero10]

Van der vaart is not a star!, the majority of people has never heard of him.

 

[epitaph]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
Van der vaart is not a star!, the majority of people has never heard of him.

poor u dude!!

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by epitaph ] ++


poor u dude!!

well, he isnt. just like this years fifa player of the year. most coaches voted for zidane cause hes a star, no one knew that nedved was a lot better. same goes for van der vaart, he may be known in europe but thats it. to be a star he needs to go to a big team.

 

[epitaph]

not really!! thats all i can say!! get what i mean??

 

[flieeeekke]

i do get what you mean. do you also think tat del piero is the greatest player of all times?

 

[sallyinzaghi]

vdv isn't THAT well known, but he is amongst us transfer fans or if we could go for a cheaper, less marketed and exposed player, I say get sneijder. he's awesome!

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
vdv isn't THAT well known, but he is amongst us transfer fans or if we could go for a cheaper, less marketed and exposed player, I say get sneijder. he's awesome!

he is indeed, but i want vdv because he can lead the team NOW, sneijder isnt ready for that yet. vdv didnt get captaincy for nothing.

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by Vilhelmas ] ++


well, he isnt. just like this years fifa player of the year. most coaches voted for zidane cause hes a star, no one knew that nedved was a lot better. same goes for van der vaart, he may be known in europe but thats it. to be a star he needs to go to a big team.

that was kind of my point , but i guess i am a poor dude