So the tendon seems to be ok? That must be a relief for Jorge. Broken kneecap is still bad, though. How many months are we looking at?
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I have noticed that the mentality of the majority's forum members, will easily sacrifice the best current solution and for for a future prospect.
Most of the ppl are getting carried aways from empty promises.
Criscito might become the new Cannavaro or even better,
but the point is, that right now, he is nowhere near that,
he has been given chances to prove himself and develop his skills and i m sure he will have even more in the future, he might as well become our new captain and symbol some day and be the player that we will build a new future Juve upon,
BUT, we cannot base our present, current situation, on his legs,
he CANNOT carry that weight YET.
This is not a football manager game, this is REAL life, a season lasts a whole year, not a few days, Criscito has all the time to grow more powerful and skilled,
Juve hasnt. In a few days we will have to face a new team and Criscito wont be any taller or stronger than that.
We need a reliable solution and we need it NOW.
Our managers brought cheap players, of decent/mediocre quality only because they didnt want to invest the money we HAVE.
80% of our decent defenders are injury prone, we were destined to face the situation, we are facing now, soon or later, my self and a few more members, pointed that out, when most of they guys here were wondering if we will get VDV or Huntelaar.
Here is our real problem the defense, i m glad we will all be in the same page from now on...
-We all knew that Zebina is injury prone and have a tendency to make clumsy penalties and get suspended => he wasnt reliable
-We all Knew that Biri is slow, not that skilled and already aged enough not to make it for a full 90" => not a reliable solution
-Criscito, despite beeing a promising player, isnt confirmed in the highest risc, he is a calculated risk that might pay in the future, BUT not right away. Risk means => not a reliable solution
-Molinaro, the same => not reliable solution
-Legro, we all know what Legro is => def not reliable solution
-Boumsong, omg for those who didnt know him, they found out about him in the previous season, another => not reliable solution
Our options were:
+ Chiellini and somehow the management managed to fight with him, mess up with his moral and place in the team
+Grygera was presented as one of the best solutions we have, but he only had the chance to help us once so far...i hope that he wont be injured too...
+? Andrade, is in theory, our most reliable solution, an experienced, reliable CB, that would lead our defense to the new age, although, beeing off form for almost a year, we were pleased with his arrival, there were voices when he came that he was injury threaten player and his current injury, proves that this injury was bound to happen one day(esp the first diagnosis) ,on his left knee, another calculated risk from our management.
Secco and the rest of the noobs in our helm, are fully responsible of our current situation, they could have prevented this to happen and they were in position to foretell this easily, since they know more than we do and it was so evident, that even, we could guess that.
Dont blame Criscito, Legro, Andrade or Boumsong,
any and each of them are decent back up solution, even for a top club like Juve USED TO BE.
Our managers did nothing to bring a decent, RELIABLE, solution for our CB, its all their fault and we will pay for this !
Most of the ppl are getting carried aways from empty promises.
Criscito might become the new Cannavaro or even better,
but the point is, that right now, he is nowhere near that,
he has been given chances to prove himself and develop his skills and i m sure he will have even more in the future, he might as well become our new captain and symbol some day and be the player that we will build a new future Juve upon,
BUT, we cannot base our present, current situation, on his legs,
he CANNOT carry that weight YET.
This is not a football manager game, this is REAL life, a season lasts a whole year, not a few days, Criscito has all the time to grow more powerful and skilled,
Juve hasnt. In a few days we will have to face a new team and Criscito wont be any taller or stronger than that.
We need a reliable solution and we need it NOW.
Our managers brought cheap players, of decent/mediocre quality only because they didnt want to invest the money we HAVE.
80% of our decent defenders are injury prone, we were destined to face the situation, we are facing now, soon or later, my self and a few more members, pointed that out, when most of they guys here were wondering if we will get VDV or Huntelaar.
Here is our real problem the defense, i m glad we will all be in the same page from now on...
-We all knew that Zebina is injury prone and have a tendency to make clumsy penalties and get suspended => he wasnt reliable
-We all Knew that Biri is slow, not that skilled and already aged enough not to make it for a full 90" => not a reliable solution
-Criscito, despite beeing a promising player, isnt confirmed in the highest risc, he is a calculated risk that might pay in the future, BUT not right away. Risk means => not a reliable solution
-Molinaro, the same => not reliable solution
-Legro, we all know what Legro is => def not reliable solution
-Boumsong, omg for those who didnt know him, they found out about him in the previous season, another => not reliable solution
Our options were:
+ Chiellini and somehow the management managed to fight with him, mess up with his moral and place in the team
+Grygera was presented as one of the best solutions we have, but he only had the chance to help us once so far...i hope that he wont be injured too...
+? Andrade, is in theory, our most reliable solution, an experienced, reliable CB, that would lead our defense to the new age, although, beeing off form for almost a year, we were pleased with his arrival, there were voices when he came that he was injury threaten player and his current injury, proves that this injury was bound to happen one day(esp the first diagnosis) ,on his left knee, another calculated risk from our management.
Secco and the rest of the noobs in our helm, are fully responsible of our current situation, they could have prevented this to happen and they were in position to foretell this easily, since they know more than we do and it was so evident, that even, we could guess that.
Dont blame Criscito, Legro, Andrade or Boumsong,
any and each of them are decent back up solution, even for a top club like Juve USED TO BE.
Our managers did nothing to bring a decent, RELIABLE, solution for our CB, its all their fault and we will pay for this !
Cronios, and to many others! Why do you think Criscito will be the next best defender in Italy and maybe better than Cannavaro. I've seen him play and what I have seen is average. Buffon and others at Juve say he has a promising future. Other than that, on what are you basing your belief in him?
I'm not trying to diss him or say he sucks, I just wanna know what is it you are seeing that I don't seem to be seeing in him. Just because he's a young Italian defender that happens to play for Juve is not enough to be labeled the next big thing. I mean even Inter have a promising young Italian defender (I forget his name).
I'm not trying to diss him or say he sucks, I just wanna know what is it you are seeing that I don't seem to be seeing in him. Just because he's a young Italian defender that happens to play for Juve is not enough to be labeled the next big thing. I mean even Inter have a promising young Italian defender (I forget his name).
Maybe because Criscito at his age, he shines more than the the rest and he can take roles that most of the defenders at his age, cant!
He had a mature, calm, confident, dynamic, game character, relatively good skills
and dont forget the fact, that Italy has a good tradition, on providing some of the best defenders of the world,
exactly because their tactics are based on defense and the defenders are solicated,they have time to shine and have to be constantly focused, all these things add to their development, plus the fact that Italy is, in general, one of the best football schools in the world.
If a defender manages to shine in Italy, he destined to do great things!
Anyway, i m not saying that, Criscito will become the next Canna, i just wanted to avoid a pointless, "future wonna be" debate, with Criscito's fans.
Just like i said "even IF Criscito, becomes the next Canna, in the FUTURE'', the point is, that he is nowhere near that NOW.
I want to point out that our future performances and our current performances are two, entirely, different things.
Criscito might become the next Legro, Legro, once upon a time, was also promising/impressing too. We might base our hopes for the future on him, but we shouldnt base our current performance on a promise, if the promise will, or will be kept in the future is entirely irrelevant.
With other words, i mean, even, IF Criscito, WILL become, as good as we hope, he isnt at any case, ready, just yet...
If he doesnt,become that good, that wont change the fact, that right now, he isnt anyway...
He had a mature, calm, confident, dynamic, game character, relatively good skills
and dont forget the fact, that Italy has a good tradition, on providing some of the best defenders of the world,
exactly because their tactics are based on defense and the defenders are solicated,they have time to shine and have to be constantly focused, all these things add to their development, plus the fact that Italy is, in general, one of the best football schools in the world.
If a defender manages to shine in Italy, he destined to do great things!
Anyway, i m not saying that, Criscito will become the next Canna, i just wanted to avoid a pointless, "future wonna be" debate, with Criscito's fans.
Just like i said "even IF Criscito, becomes the next Canna, in the FUTURE'', the point is, that he is nowhere near that NOW.
I want to point out that our future performances and our current performances are two, entirely, different things.
Criscito might become the next Legro, Legro, once upon a time, was also promising/impressing too. We might base our hopes for the future on him, but we shouldnt base our current performance on a promise, if the promise will, or will be kept in the future is entirely irrelevant.
With other words, i mean, even, IF Criscito, WILL become, as good as we hope, he isnt at any case, ready, just yet...
If he doesnt,become that good, that wont change the fact, that right now, he isnt anyway...
Cronios, I understand that you want an instant solution. Bashing Criscito is never it. As a matter of fact, too much pressure on him would crack him down. I mean he's already chewing more than he can bite!
Stripper, We can only hope he's the next big thing! We see exactly what you see but with optimistic spectacles on our eyes
.. Who'd want another Legro in the team, huh ?
Stripper, We can only hope he's the next big thing! We see exactly what you see but with optimistic spectacles on our eyes
.. Who'd want another Legro in the team, huh ?
You're not serious are you? We are talking about deffender who screwed up witht he worst forwards and teams in Serie B, not failed to hold off one of the most talented forwards who is playing for the Serie A leaders in what was an offside + foul goal?
I am not saying Criscito is doing great. But for his age and experience and wage he is doing alright but seriously needs to improve both physically and mentally.
I am not saying Criscito is doing great. But for his age and experience and wage he is doing alright but seriously needs to improve both physically and mentally.
But you cannot put the whole blame on criscito. There are games even inthe pre seasons when Criscito was covering Andrade's mistakes.
I beleive that our deffense problem starts with our deffensive midfielders or the whole midfield. They are not defending properly. This is putting a big load on our shaky defence.
I beleive that our deffense problem starts with our deffensive midfielders or the whole midfield. They are not defending properly. This is putting a big load on our shaky defence.
I'm not blaming Criscito. He has made mistakes, but that was always going to happen when we hose to go with such a young defender.
As a defensive unit we have not been good enough, that goes for the defence and the midfield.
Criscito has made some individual errors, but they have been shown up because more experienced players haven't given him enough protection.
I will stick by Criscito so long as he learns from his mistakes, because that is the most important thing at his age.
As a defensive unit we have not been good enough, that goes for the defence and the midfield.
Criscito has made some individual errors, but they have been shown up because more experienced players haven't given him enough protection.
I will stick by Criscito so long as he learns from his mistakes, because that is the most important thing at his age.
Me and Red are not bashing Criscito, i m sorry if it looks that way,
we are just saying that he is not ready yet for a starter, he has to be a back up solution atm, we need a pro to partner Andrade and we havent one.
Up until x-mas (the least) our whole defense will be made out of back solutions.
Chiellini isnt as a good CB as full back, he is too clumsy for that, same goes for Zebina, Boumsong and Legro might be our CB twin for a while and thats just... sad, God help us and Buffon protect us...
We should avoid this situation by having to decent CBs, but we only have one
and that proved to be fragile...
we are just saying that he is not ready yet for a starter, he has to be a back up solution atm, we need a pro to partner Andrade and we havent one.
Up until x-mas (the least) our whole defense will be made out of back solutions.
Chiellini isnt as a good CB as full back, he is too clumsy for that, same goes for Zebina, Boumsong and Legro might be our CB twin for a while and thats just... sad, God help us and Buffon protect us...
We should avoid this situation by having to decent CBs, but we only have one
and that proved to be fragile...
Well, what's done is done, no need to cry over spilled milk ..
Dominico is originally a CB, why would we play a full back there ? even though I agree with you that we need some fast solution .. and Dominico is not it. Again, he's the defensive prospect that we have and we need him evolve to be a great defender .. You would feel better about him if he has some role model in the team, right ? even if he screwed up, but he's alone now. Legro and Boumsong can't be good role models for a youngster, they need role models themselves 
Dominico is originally a CB, why would we play a full back there ? even though I agree with you that we need some fast solution .. and Dominico is not it. Again, he's the defensive prospect that we have and we need him evolve to be a great defender
.. You would feel better about him if he has some role model in the team, right ? even if he screwed up, but he's alone now. Legro and Boumsong can't be good role models for a youngster, they need role models themselves 
I'm dead serious. Criscito so far has been directly responsible for about as many goals conceded than Boumsong was for all of last season, IMO. Granted, for Boumsong we're talking Serie B and not the Golden Shoe winner. But Criscito's mistakes are a history before the Roma match extending into pre-season. And against the likes of clubs that may as well be in Serie B. (People forget that Boumsong put in a number of solid performances against quality B teams too.)
Both have a talent for playing well for extended moments and then just blowing it for a few critical minutes.
Both have a talent for playing well for extended moments and then just blowing it for a few critical minutes.
First of all during friendlys Criscito was our best defender. Thats why he earned his starting 11 spot. Along side Andrade, he was the best we have at our disposal. During the pre seasons the goals conceeded were about unfamiliarity between the defenders. Not about one specific bad for defender (when it came to Andrade and Criscito).
During Serie B competition where Criscito was playing for Genoa, he was more solid than Boumsong, thats why our managment insisted on bringing him back.
Excluding the England group where Criscito was not featuring alot, we played against Napoli (we did not conceede against them), Inter, Roma and AC Milan. They are not by any mean Serie B material now are they? In all these games (if you want to exclude the Berlusconi cup, Criscito was our best defender. I admit during the berlusconi cup Inzaghi managed to beat Criscito in the first goal with a header.
During the 4 matches this season Criscito only played three. During these matches we conceeded 5 goals:
Livorno: it was the midfielder's mistake and a long shot. I think it was Zanetti's fault can't remember.
Cagliari: 2 goals from weak PKs , so not his fault. although he was subbed for not performing well Although Legro did not perform any better.
Roma: First goal was an offside. So not his fault he was standing right and the second goal was a total collapse in the defence He takes blame but not alone..
On the other hand, Boumsong was responsible for almost ALL goals conceeded in SERIE B against Juventus.
During Serie B competition where Criscito was playing for Genoa, he was more solid than Boumsong, thats why our managment insisted on bringing him back.
Excluding the England group where Criscito was not featuring alot, we played against Napoli (we did not conceede against them), Inter, Roma and AC Milan. They are not by any mean Serie B material now are they? In all these games (if you want to exclude the Berlusconi cup, Criscito was our best defender. I admit during the berlusconi cup Inzaghi managed to beat Criscito in the first goal with a header.
During the 4 matches this season Criscito only played three. During these matches we conceeded 5 goals:
Livorno: it was the midfielder's mistake and a long shot. I think it was Zanetti's fault can't remember.
Cagliari: 2 goals from weak PKs , so not his fault. although he was subbed for not performing well Although Legro did not perform any better.
Roma: First goal was an offside. So not his fault he was standing right and the second goal was a total collapse in the defence He takes blame but not alone..
On the other hand, Boumsong was responsible for almost ALL goals conceeded in SERIE B against Juventus.