John ''sell the club'' Elkann (55 Viewers)

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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We have 5 years of this “Year Zero” bullcrap and everyone of those years have been “year zero”…
that's literally the smallest issue. that's actually factual. it's year zero for giuntoli as he's about to be in full charge. it's a big change and big responsibility too

my problem is that the last paragraph is empty. you can't say fino alla fine and refer to any allegri without actually doing what they did and actually fight for the club. also giuntoli alone (and a new coach who he picks) won't be enough, scanavino and ferrero must be replaced with competent people
 

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Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
that's literally the smallest issue. that's actually factual. it's year zero for giuntoli as he's about to be in full charge. it's a big change and big responsibility too

my problem is that the last paragraph is empty. you can't say fino alla fine and refer to any allegri without actually doing what they did and actually fight for the club. also giuntoli alone (and a new coach who he picks) won't be enough, scanavino and ferrero must be replaced with competent people
Elkann shouldnt be allow to speak the words "Fino alla Fine"... they kill it.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,919
We have 5 years of this “Year Zero” bullcrap and everyone of those years have been “year zero”…
Exactly.

Everyone is sick of this year zero garbage. Especially from someone who actually doesn’t give a flying fuck or know anything about football like Johnny Boy.

Less talk more action. Something we’ve done the complete opposite of over the past 5 years.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
23,990
They prolly accrued large amount for recalls. Lower cost initially. Usually manufacturers are aware of the issue when they ship the car to distribution/retail. I work for several car distributors so this is common. Some series have defect by default and retailers do replacement when discovered. However, Stelantis doesnt have a bright future imo. Chinese will dominate EU car market in the next few years
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,897
Probably try to call their support helpline and all you get is silence too

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They prolly accrued large amount for recalls. Lower cost initially. Usually manufacturers are aware of the issue when they ship the car to distribution/retail. I work for several car distributors so this is common. Some series have defect by default and retailers do replacement when discovered. However, Stelantis doesnt have a bright future imo. Chinese will dominate EU car market in the next few years
Elklown will just watch as he takes it up the culo from the Chinese
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
4,071
They prolly accrued large amount for recalls. Lower cost initially. Usually manufacturers are aware of the issue when they ship the car to distribution/retail. I work for several car distributors so this is common. Some series have defect by default and retailers do replacement when discovered. However, Stelantis doesnt have a bright future imo. Chinese will dominate EU car market in the next few years
Is it because of quality control and reliability issues?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
23,990
Is it because of quality control and reliability issues?
As far as reliabilty is concerned new cars today are less reliable than lets say 10-15 years ago. The number of recalls for some series within a brand, well known issues that plague them are calculated at production level.

Why most European brands will and are already falling behind is technology since they are 5-10 years behind Chinese which are flooding the market atm. Higher tarrifs will not prevent this. Joint ventures on the other hand with Chinese on European soil would alleviate this. European car manufacturers used to complain Chinese were stealing technology. They did and improved upon it so the tables have turned. Ridiculous plans to go full electric after 2035 has to stop as well.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
in my eye recall does not mean unreliable. recall means there is issue that manfacture is trying to fix.

unrelible means there is no known recalls but your car's electric/engine/transmission still going to be causing issues.
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
4,071
As far as reliabilty is concerned new cars today are less reliable than lets say 10-15 years ago. The number of recalls for some series within a brand, well known issues that plague them are calculated at production level.

Why most European brands will and are already falling behind is technology since they are 5-10 years behind Chinese which are flooding the market atm. Higher tarrifs will not prevent this. Joint ventures on the other hand with Chinese on European soil would alleviate this. European car manufacturers used to complain Chinese were stealing technology. They did and improved upon it so the tables have turned. Ridiculous plans to go full electric after 2035 has to stop as well.
Remember reading somewhere that Ford knew about the Pinto's increased risk of catching fire after an accident.
I guess present-day Boeing is following the same pattern.
 

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