and may I add,the stories I had heard at the time,about De Ceglie,man ,i thought theres a new star
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People who make comparisons to say "oh such and such is the new Zidane" is retarded anyway, just ignore them.
People wanting to see more of talents who exceed in the youth team aren't overrating them. People got excited about De Ceglie but no more after we see what he's about, when was the last time (before this current crop) we produced a talent who had a chance to get into the first team at all
People wanting to see more of talents who exceed in the youth team aren't overrating them. People got excited about De Ceglie but no more after we see what he's about, when was the last time (before this current crop) we produced a talent who had a chance to get into the first team at all
Palladino and Paolucci were BIG PRIMAVERA STARS (won lots of Viareggio's with them), thats at best when one is lucky, what better batches of the youth academy produces, decent players who are good enough for this level of the league, but not the top teams themselves.
OFCOURSE we want youth players to get a chance, and there is defenitely something off with how they do things in Italy, but be more reserved and dont assume they 'll turn out to be the shit when they end up as Paro's or Volpato's most of the time. There is a limit to what a club's academy can produce, not all can be Barca's.
There is a reason why Man U after a ridicolous golden period of producing its top players, turned their youth academy and policy in to mainly scouting for foreign talent and developing them. Because there is only so much english or local talents you can produce.
OFCOURSE we want youth players to get a chance, and there is defenitely something off with how they do things in Italy, but be more reserved and dont assume they 'll turn out to be the shit when they end up as Paro's or Volpato's most of the time. There is a limit to what a club's academy can produce, not all can be Barca's.
There is a reason why Man U after a ridicolous golden period of producing its top players, turned their youth academy and policy in to mainly scouting for foreign talent and developing them. Because there is only so much english or local talents you can produce.
Taking Utd as an example, they had more license to do that at the time, if some of those guys were coming through now they just wouldn't have the same opportunities to play. Young players need chances and to instantly impress to make it at a big club now, some of our guys don't even get a chance or spend two or three years scrapping around at poor sides before they even get an opportunity. By that time they have stagnated or their stock has decreased.
I can understand that from a club perspective as there are already established players, but at some point you have to look at younger players from home or abroad. A €5m-€15m South American is obviously more likely to play as the fee demands it. Being a young player is tough at any big club, especially in Italy.
I can understand that from a club perspective as there are already established players, but at some point you have to look at younger players from home or abroad. A €5m-€15m South American is obviously more likely to play as the fee demands it. Being a young player is tough at any big club, especially in Italy.
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Da.
Our youth players (some) have potential and they should get their chance eventually. But it's our board that knows if they'll make it or not. It's not Secco, those mistakes barely ever happen. You can't say we won Primavera and that our team is greatness. It's not just potential that makes you a world class player.
We're not doing anything strange here even if we do sign him. Kaka signed for Milan, Pato went there as well. Real bough kids and plans to buy more. Messi to Barca, and now even some 13yo kid went there as well. There are many examples but I should add Cristiano too, a player who's price went from 7 to 97mln euros in 4 years time. I'm not saying we're getting new Ronaldo, but there are chances you'll be getting some player that can develop into top star. We have only Marchisio so far, I hope he improves more but that is nothing.
Inter plays Santon (rarely) and Balotelli. Roma doesn't have anyone good (they lost good player, he went to Manure, or they just stole him to be more precise), Milan doesn't have anyone. It's not like their youth teams suck, and even if they do, they should be some players. But they also keep signing new guys. Palermo's school suck as well? Because I see them getting Hernandez and Pastore's.
If anything, we're a bad club when it comes to buying new raising stars and hopefully we'll start doing something new. Udinese made many good players with no money, which secured them many points and what made their profit in the end. Players like Sanchez and Asamoah come to mind, the latter one costs now a lot while he was bought for peanuts. Porto made tons of cash when they found new stars. Pepe was bought for nothing and he was sold for over 30mln euros, Hulk was found in Japan and there are tons and tons of examples.
The only mistake we're making here is Giovinco. We are not the only team who is doing this. There are not many players where you'll see "Ah, he's from our youth school". Hell, one out of 1000 comes out like that. De Rossi in Roma was a big one, yet that happens almost never. I'd really like to give some of our players shot, I'm not against that. I want to see Immobile. Or some other player. If they go somewhere, it doesn't mean we ruined those. It only means they are not good enough. If they are good, they will sign for a top club, but instead we'll see them go to Empoli, Catania etc.
This or any other move like this can only make us big. There is a risk, there is always a risk. But it's chances you can't miss (I'm not taking this directly at this guy we're after).
Our youth players (some) have potential and they should get their chance eventually. But it's our board that knows if they'll make it or not. It's not Secco, those mistakes barely ever happen. You can't say we won Primavera and that our team is greatness. It's not just potential that makes you a world class player.
We're not doing anything strange here even if we do sign him. Kaka signed for Milan, Pato went there as well. Real bough kids and plans to buy more. Messi to Barca, and now even some 13yo kid went there as well. There are many examples but I should add Cristiano too, a player who's price went from 7 to 97mln euros in 4 years time. I'm not saying we're getting new Ronaldo, but there are chances you'll be getting some player that can develop into top star. We have only Marchisio so far, I hope he improves more but that is nothing.
Inter plays Santon (rarely) and Balotelli. Roma doesn't have anyone good (they lost good player, he went to Manure, or they just stole him to be more precise), Milan doesn't have anyone. It's not like their youth teams suck, and even if they do, they should be some players. But they also keep signing new guys. Palermo's school suck as well? Because I see them getting Hernandez and Pastore's.
If anything, we're a bad club when it comes to buying new raising stars and hopefully we'll start doing something new. Udinese made many good players with no money, which secured them many points and what made their profit in the end. Players like Sanchez and Asamoah come to mind, the latter one costs now a lot while he was bought for peanuts. Porto made tons of cash when they found new stars. Pepe was bought for nothing and he was sold for over 30mln euros, Hulk was found in Japan and there are tons and tons of examples.
The only mistake we're making here is Giovinco. We are not the only team who is doing this. There are not many players where you'll see "Ah, he's from our youth school". Hell, one out of 1000 comes out like that. De Rossi in Roma was a big one, yet that happens almost never. I'd really like to give some of our players shot, I'm not against that. I want to see Immobile. Or some other player. If they go somewhere, it doesn't mean we ruined those. It only means they are not good enough. If they are good, they will sign for a top club, but instead we'll see them go to Empoli, Catania etc.
This or any other move like this can only make us big. There is a risk, there is always a risk. But it's chances you can't miss (I'm not taking this directly at this guy we're after).
Good to see us showing interest in some top class foreign youth again. Haven't seen much of Rodriguez, but from the videos I could find it seems he's got a decent shot from distance. Technical ability is also good, but I wonder if he's got the same problem as Yago: can be muscled off the ball too easily in Serie A.
Found some more goals of his:
[video=facebook;159316929668]http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=159316929668[/video]
(last goal, nice shot from distance)
(another beauty from long range, poor keeping though)
Found some more goals of his:
[video=facebook;159316929668]http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=159316929668[/video]
(last goal, nice shot from distance)
(another beauty from long range, poor keeping though)
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You missed my point. I just say that youth players have a 5% chance of making when they come from Primavera and not all clubs are crazy when they not give them a chance. Most of those players end up as a part of co-ownerships, loans to lower the price etc.
People mock us for not using Primavera players and I (somewhat) agree with that. But not all of them are new Nedved's and Del Piero's.
Is there any other team who uses their Primavera players a lot? Any? No, I don't think so. It's mostly stolen players (like Manure is doing), or kids being bough for peanuts from some God knows which club.
A lot?
People mock us for not using Primavera players and I (somewhat) agree with that. But not all of them are new Nedved's and Del Piero's.
Is there any other team who uses their Primavera players a lot? Any? No, I don't think so. It's mostly stolen players (like Manure is doing), or kids being bough for peanuts from some God knows which club.
A lot?
Yes I agree with your first point few points, but I still don't see who these young players are going from big club to big club, who? My definition of big club is Juve, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Barcelona etc. Not Man Utd to Tottenham or Aston Villa, for example. Players who take a sideways step rather than downwards.
I've never heard of this guy before in the real world but I signed him for Juve in Football Manager. He wasn't great and I sold him to Roma for a profit.
Source :http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2010/02/is_the_copa_libertadores_bette.html?page=8
I often read his south american blog, the guy has a good eye for talent out there and the above words is what his got to about this kid.
I say lets go for him, its about time we divulge into rising talent from south america and its only right we begin to follow the trade of more succesfully either breeding clubs or of the elite. Either way for this to happen a) this is new terrotary for us, especially under the new staff so it would be brave if we snapped this kid by fending off others b) actually use this kid.. i know a lot will doubt this considering his age but anyway whatever happens im glad that atleast were linked with some very talented south american kid(s).
I often read his south american blog, the guy has a good eye for talent out there and the above words is what his got to about this kid.
I say lets go for him, its about time we divulge into rising talent from south america and its only right we begin to follow the trade of more succesfully either breeding clubs or of the elite. Either way for this to happen a) this is new terrotary for us, especially under the new staff so it would be brave if we snapped this kid by fending off others b) actually use this kid.. i know a lot will doubt this considering his age but anyway whatever happens im glad that atleast were linked with some very talented south american kid(s).
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Hmm skysports is usually fairly reliable, but the link below mentions that udinese have 'captured' him. Thats like over a week old news which of course makes it look like bull but some other reports mention that udinese just have a first option. I guess the later could be true?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_5962074,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_5962074,00.html
I completely agree with you here, not everyone in the youth teams will come to be a star. I made the point that you made about the big teams and their youth players.
But there is one thing and the Giovinco case comes to the forefront here. If we don't have a culture of giving youngsters a chance integrated in the club then we are placing our faith in the club's officials and managers to make those decisions. That means we have faith in their judgment, so how do we complain about the manager not playing especially Giovinco and maybe the others? We have no right because we they are the ones that see them day in and day out, so we must trust their judgment on this matter that there are other factors that come into play here.
I mentioned the culture part because even though clubs like Barca and Manu don't full on give their youngsters a chance they still provide them with a decent amount of playing time. Its simply the way they do things. When you don't have that then it makes it difficult to justify giving them a chance imo.
But there is one thing and the Giovinco case comes to the forefront here. If we don't have a culture of giving youngsters a chance integrated in the club then we are placing our faith in the club's officials and managers to make those decisions. That means we have faith in their judgment, so how do we complain about the manager not playing especially Giovinco and maybe the others? We have no right because we they are the ones that see them day in and day out, so we must trust their judgment on this matter that there are other factors that come into play here.
I mentioned the culture part because even though clubs like Barca and Manu don't full on give their youngsters a chance they still provide them with a decent amount of playing time. Its simply the way they do things. When you don't have that then it makes it difficult to justify giving them a chance imo.
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