James Rodríguez - AM L/SS - Banfield (18 Viewers)
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When our most obvious problems this season have been that we lack width, and players who can beat an opponent, with dribbling and speed, and we lack players who are good on the ball...why the hell would we buy a player who helps us with ALL of those problems, then loan him out again???? If people are suggesting this due to getting around any potential EU restrictions...OK...but why not send Caceres home, amauri becomes italian, which leaves us with who as our non eu players in the first team squad??? Melo...Diego...Momo...How many are we allowed??? I thought there were restrictions mainly on how many we can sign per season...but then again we got both diego and Melo around the same time...so that can't be Right./...someone please explain to me?
I am not talking about him necessarily playing...but certainly, if he is good enough, then keep him in the squad, because we have presently NO ESTABLISHED CONSISTENTLY useful attacking midfielders. None...So really...who would he be challenging??? A Diego who has shown hardly a hint of his Bremen form??? A giovinco in whom the management have little trust...A Camo who is injured for 75% of the season, then of the 25% he can play he is suspended for at least 12-15% of that due to his appalling lack of professionalism...
Oh...there is also Candreva...another young, yet to be proven worthy player...
So...nenna. Who would Rodriquez be challenging, or kept out of the team by???
We can revert to how we used to be, perhaps...ONLY if we get established quality all over the pitch. We simply do not have that presently. Chiellini and Buffon...are the only two I see, of the first team who play at a consistently high leve. Of course...there is potential in Diego, Melo, Candreva, Giovinco, Marchisio...but none of them have shone brightly and regularly this season. Which returns me to my original point...if we sign this kid, and he looks good enough, we should use him.
Sell Amauri...Tiago...Momo or Poulsen...Camo...Zebina...Grosso...De Ceglie...Grygera...Canna...then bring in the colombian, centre back, fullbacks, and that more vicious looking amauri clone, Kuranyi...And decent manager. BANG, we are back in business!
Oh...there is also Candreva...another young, yet to be proven worthy player...
So...nenna. Who would Rodriquez be challenging, or kept out of the team by???
We can revert to how we used to be, perhaps...ONLY if we get established quality all over the pitch. We simply do not have that presently. Chiellini and Buffon...are the only two I see, of the first team who play at a consistently high leve. Of course...there is potential in Diego, Melo, Candreva, Giovinco, Marchisio...but none of them have shone brightly and regularly this season. Which returns me to my original point...if we sign this kid, and he looks good enough, we should use him.
Sell Amauri...Tiago...Momo or Poulsen...Camo...Zebina...Grosso...De Ceglie...Grygera...Canna...then bring in the colombian, centre back, fullbacks, and that more vicious looking amauri clone, Kuranyi...And decent manager. BANG, we are back in business!
If you haven't noticed Gutterpoet. Not one player in our squad (including the likes of Chiellini, Del Piero and even Buffon) have been able to string 3-4 consistently good games together. So to target Diego etc. and saying that a Colombian teenager is as likely to as well if not better a better job is just unfair and stupid.
I wouldn't judge a player on his age, but when you come across a young talent we immediately expect them to be able to handle the pressures of playing at a club like Juve on a regular basis and he isn't even proven in a big league yet let alone a one of the top teams of the top leagues in the world. He's a massive risk and we can't afford to take many risks with the current state we've found ourselves in.
If we buy him he'd be a back up player at best. I would lone him out if I knew that he would be played.
I have higher hopes for Juventus then gambles on young football prodigies.
He will be 19 by the time he plays for Juve if we sign him.
I wouldn't judge a player on his age, but when you come across a young talent we immediately expect them to be able to handle the pressures of playing at a club like Juve on a regular basis and he isn't even proven in a big league yet let alone a one of the top teams of the top leagues in the world. He's a massive risk and we can't afford to take many risks with the current state we've found ourselves in.
If we buy him he'd be a back up player at best. I would lone him out if I knew that he would be played.
I have higher hopes for Juventus then gambles on young football prodigies.
He will be 19 by the time he plays for Juve if we sign him.
Where did I say that he will do as well if not better? Perhaps that was intimated, but not at all clearly suggested. So its more unfair and stupid for you to put virtual words into my mouth. but still...I have not targeted ANYONE. I was trying to work out who you felt we already had as viable starters in the attacking midfield roles. Which is a different discussion, though connected, to Should a lively loooking attacking midfield of a tender age, coming off a decent season in Argentina, be given a shot at the first team squad...rather than purchased then loaned. I think that our shocking lack of offensive energy and cohesion is as important to address as our woefull fullback situation.
Of course I agree that the majority of the squad have been awful this season. Diego has simply been as poor as all the players around him...although Amauri has looked, to me, the very worst of the worst, for 90% of the games he has played. With only Melo coming close.
But...this isn't the argument. I am not picking out individual players for criticism. I am talking of our attacking midfield options, and suggesting that anyone who shows they are in good form, and offers what we have been lacking, as in Pace, Trickery, Dribbling, the ability to beat players...then they should be considered, as should Diego, Giovinco, Candreva...and perhaps Iago. If there is no sniff at the first team whatsoever, then yes, loan him out to a team where he can play and develop. but my point is, that we presently have NO ESTABLISHED ATTACKING MIDFIELD. its been a fucking shambles all season. Other than against Samp, once.
ANY signing we make has risk attached to it. That is beyond doubt...Players are not machines, unless they are german. Look at Tiago...wicked at Chelsea, decent for lyon, awful for us, then once again decent for Madrid. Andrade...a quality defender, but died soon after we bought him for a hefty sum...risks...we have to take risks...as does every team. Buying PROVEN talent is costly, and still a risk, as the two examples I just gave, clearly show...
We should be taking a risk on this kid, we should be playing him in the starting 11 in pre season and we should be keeping him for next season.
3 more hours to see this kid play
3 more hours to see this kid play
Pinsoglio
Caceres-Ariaudo-Chiellini-De Ceglie
Marrone-Marchisio
Rodriguez-Giovinco-Rossi
Immobile
Caceres-Ariaudo-Chiellini-De Ceglie
Marrone-Marchisio
Rodriguez-Giovinco-Rossi
Immobile
Subs: Mynigger, Buffon, legro, canna, candreva, iaquinta, diego, melo, sissoko, and everyone else that we might have (and/or shouldn't have).
Point taken, but its one thing to be able to be in good form for Banfield. Juventus is a completely different kettle of fish. I would not let him start for us, unless he was world class or something in the same band as world class. Why? Because we are historically a world class club and this kid is only a teenager playing well in the Argentinian league.
The reason we don't have an established midfield is not due to lack of options. Its mainly due to the lack of consistency by managers to field the right midfield line up and formation each week. Our formations change weekly, our line up changes weekly and we've changed manager 3 times within the past two seasons. We've also had three new inclusions and their ability to adapt to this team has clearly been hindered by constant disruption. How was our midfield supposed to establish itself in those circumstances?
I'm all for recruiting promising youth but to just throw them right in the starting line up because we saw them play some good games for Banfield? Is this still Juventus? I would keep him in the squad and let him play the 'less serious' games as well as stand in for injured midfielders.
We have to aim a lot higher if we want to see this team wake the fuck up.
About Amauri.. Considering the state of the rest of our team, namely our midfield how could you expect anything more from a player that relies heavily on good service? He's purely a striker: you play him the right ball, he'll put it in the back of the net. I still have a lot of faith in Amauri.
The reason we don't have an established midfield is not due to lack of options. Its mainly due to the lack of consistency by managers to field the right midfield line up and formation each week. Our formations change weekly, our line up changes weekly and we've changed manager 3 times within the past two seasons. We've also had three new inclusions and their ability to adapt to this team has clearly been hindered by constant disruption. How was our midfield supposed to establish itself in those circumstances?
I'm all for recruiting promising youth but to just throw them right in the starting line up because we saw them play some good games for Banfield? Is this still Juventus? I would keep him in the squad and let him play the 'less serious' games as well as stand in for injured midfielders.
We have to aim a lot higher if we want to see this team wake the fuck up.
About Amauri.. Considering the state of the rest of our team, namely our midfield how could you expect anything more from a player that relies heavily on good service? He's purely a striker: you play him the right ball, he'll put it in the back of the net. I still have a lot of faith in Amauri.
Nenna, that argument is void just look at the many players around Europe who were 'only' performing in the Argentinian League. Two years down the line this kid went to Udinese and turned out to be the hottest thing on the market what would you say then? 6 million is not alot of money heck people are willing to pay 7.5 for Candreva who is utter crap. The risk is worth taking and its most certainly worth giving this kid a shot in our lineup.
But you don't know that for sure. He still has part of a season to grow. Not to mention incorporating him into our lineup like we should have been doing years ago with youth players. Either you give him a chance after we invest in a team that is able to support an inexperienced youth player or you just hope that our older players stay injury free all season.
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