There being a connection between football quality and viewership does not mean that they are directly proportionate. There are other things that factor in its not 1 solo cause. You should know this its an obvious point.
Since when did this become about viewership? Now it's tiem for you to find soem numbers that backs your statement: that we can't fill our stadium due to "bad" football.
Yeah, people who find our football attractive (especially from the last season) are a tiny minority. There are common standards of aesthetic quality that most people can easily recognize within and across cultures.
You (snoozefest football lovers) are the BBW fetish lovers of football fans.
aesthetic quality is a fancy word for taste, actual quality in football is measured in results. I'd visit every home game of my national team if they played like Greece in 2004 and got results.
aesthetic quality is a fancy word for taste, actual quality in football is measured in results. I'd visit every home game of my national team if they played like Greece in 2004 and got results.
Fine call it taste. Keep results as constant its not results vs attractiveness.
Do you agree that most people's "taste buds" for football will prefer to watch Ronaldinho's game over Sturaro? Wouldnt the incentive to watch Ronnie be higher for anyone than to watch Stu? If you prefer watching Stu that can be your taste but thats what I mean by getting turned on by BBWs or Golden Showers.
Fine call it taste. Keep results as constant its not results vs attractiveness.
Do you agree that most people's "taste buds" for football will prefer to watch Ronaldinho's game over Sturaro? Wouldnt the incentive to watch Ronnie be higher for anyone than to watch Stu? If you prefer watching Stu that can be your taste but thats what I mean by getting turned on by BBWs or Golden Showers.
Yup. Extreme example but drives the point home. There is an obvious strong connection between aesthetic quality of the football being played and viewership/people's willingness to tune in, go to the stadium etc...
Since when did this become about viewership? Now it's tiem for you to find soem numbers that backs your statement: that we can't fill our stadium due to "bad" football.
Viewership or attendance its the same point you are resisting something obvious. People are less incentivized to watch 90 min of mispassing compared to great passing and wonder goals. That applies to watching on the TV or in person. You are being intentionally thick.
Viewership or attendance its the same point you are resisting something obvious. People are less incentivized to watch 90 min of mispassing compared to great passing and wonder goals. That applies to watching on the TV or in person. You are being intentionally thick.
You are wrong. They are two completely different consumer groups.
Now to find the numbers that back your statement, that "bad" football is a reason why a club (Juve) can't fill its stadium.
And don't even get me started on "being thick". You made a statement, that you can't back by any other thing than your opinion, which is clearly biased by your own feelings and motives. You claim causation, but you can't even find correlation
I'm aware that there can be causation with correlation of 0, but still..
Yup. Extreme example but drives the point home. There is an obvious strong connection between aesthetic quality of the football being played and viewership/people's willingness to tune in, go to the stadium etc...
yeah, but results wise Sturaro and Ronaldinho are not the same. insert prime Sturaro in any Serie A team and nothing changes, insert prime Ronaldinho in any Serie A team and they're at least twice as good.
if you wanted to pair Sturaro with someone who's aesthetically pleasing, but brings a similar overall quality to the team, you should've went for Jorge Martinez. if you wanted to pair Ronaldinho with someone who's not aesthetically pleasing, but is among the best forwards to have ever played.. there is no such guy.
so tell me, is there really a difference between the crowds Sturaro brings and Jorge Martinez brings?
You are wrong. They are two completely different consumer groups.
Now to find the numbers that back your statement, that "bad" football is a reason why a club (Juve) can't fill its stadium.
And don't even get me started on "being thick". You made a statement, that you can't back by any other thing than your opinion, which is clearly biased by your own feelings and motives. You claim causation, but you can't even find correlation
I'm aware that there can be causation with correlation of 0, but still..
Its not like the numbers are widely available man. I am claiming a causal connection yes. All things constant but we play attractive offensive football instead of last season's football. Would the incentive to watch the game in person be greater or lesser? Its an obvious apriori point if you want to get technical.
Entertainment is one important driver of viewership its not the only one. The city is a variable. The economy is a variable. Ticket prices are a variable. The atmosphere is a variable. History is a variable. There are many variables. I really can't understand why you deny the quality of football as a variable.
I myself have watched Juve less than my previous normal partly due to the quality of the football being played. If I lived in Turin, my incentive to watch in person would decrease as well. I imagine its the same for most people.
I dont think this is specific to Juve. If I lived in manchester, the incentive to watch Pep's team is higher than Mancini's because I know I'll be watching better football. Same with Fergie vs Mou. Their fans are complaining for a reason and its not just because they arent #1. Capello at Madrid is another example.
Its not like the numbers are widely available man. I am claiming a causal connection yes. All things constant but we play attractive offensive football instead of last season's football. Would the incentive to watch the game in person be greater or lesser? Its an obvious apriori point if you want to get technical.
Entertainment is one important driver of viewership its not the only one. The city is a variable. The economy is a variable. Ticket prices are a variable. The atmosphere is a variable. History is a variable. There are many variables. I really can't understand why you deny the quality of football as a variable.
I myself have watched Juve less than my previous normal partly due to the quality of the football being played. If I lived in Turin, my incentive to watch in person would decrease as well. I imagine its the same for most people.
I dont think this is specific to Juve. If I lived in manchester, the incentive to watch Pep's team is higher than Mancini's because I know I'll be watching better football. Same with Fergie vs Mou. Their fans are complaining for a reason and its not just because they arent #1. Capello at Madrid is another example.
Example of what? Were Bernabeu's ticket sales lower while Capello and Mourinho managed them? Or less people watched them on TV? Because if not, it's a shit example.
It does sound logical that high scoring games would have more people watching them, but truth is, my feeling is that people go watch success more than they go watch pretty footie, the fact that we're sold out with the high ticket prices we currently have seems to indicate that we'd easily have more people attending if the stadium was bigger.
The reason why you guys redesigned the stadium in the first place is because you couldn't fill it. Not only that, Juve does NOT have a lot of fans in Italy. Around the world, yes, but not that many in Italy.
I think orino for awhile was bringing more fans to the stadium. ot sure if that is true, but I did hear that somewhere.
Apparently a city known for its baroque and art nouveau architecture, the fantastic piedmont wines (barolo and barbaresco especially), delicious chocolate, stunning location beneath the alps, and so on... such a city is not good enough for rich people.
Example of what? Were Bernabeu's ticket sales lower while Capello and Mourinho managed them? Or less people watched them on TV? Because if not, it's a shit example.
It does sound logical that high scoring games would have more people watching them, but truth is, my feeling is that people go watch success more than they go watch pretty footie, the fact that we're sold out with the high ticket prices we currently have seems to indicate that we'd easily have more people attending if the stadium was bigger.