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[Valerio.]

Well there is a big difference if Continassa is destined for infrastructure only or infrastructure + profit. If it aims profit, investment will be $#@!ing huuuuuuge.

Anyway, it looks beautiful. One more step forward.

After that, an expansion to 50.000 seats should be done. I've read from the responsibles that yes, it is possible to expand. But they don't plan to do it now.

Historically the Juventus attendance was never great. Turin has around 900.000 citzens. Half support Torino. In an universe of 450.000 people who could support Juve, take women, the elder and children - it's left like 200.000 people let's say. Maybe half are real supporters. 100.000.

But the economy in Italy doesn't help. Also, Turin is high and it's freaking cold in there.

I think that we could expand to 50.000 in the near future and have it sold out. In a longer time, maybe to 60.000. But I guess 60.000 is our absolute ceilling here.

Most of people coming for juventus games mostly lives outside of Turin lot even come from the south! I'd say that those with a season Ticket are either living in Turin or rather close with Train.
Btw In Turin not everyone roots either for Juve or for Torino. There are lot rooting for Napoli,Inter,Milan. Napolitans are kind of everywhere in Italy since Campania is such a disastred area they tend to spread.
And bit of the rest. I'd say in Turin there are like 100-120k Juventus supporters. Torino fans even tough their team is sucking since decades are slowling dying out but still present.

 

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[PedroFlu]

Most of people coming for juventus games mostly lives outside of Turin lot even come from the south! I'd say that those with a season Ticket are either living in Turin or rather close with Train.
Btw In Turin not everyone roots either for Juve or for Torino. There are lot rooting for Napoli,Inter,Milan. Napolitans are kind of everywhere in Italy since Campania is such a disastred area they tend to spread.
And bit of the rest. I'd say in Turin there are like 100-120k Juventus supporters. Torino fans even tough their team is sucking since decades are slowling dying out but still present.

So my guess was right

With 100.000 real supporters in the city, with maybe half of these being able to pay to go to the stadium, a 50.000 capacity seems adequate.

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Most of people coming for juventus games mostly lives outside of Turin lot even come from the south! I'd say that those with a season Ticket are either living in Turin or rather close with Train.
Btw In Turin not everyone roots either for Juve or for Torino. There are lot rooting for Napoli,Inter,Milan. Napolitans are kind of everywhere in Italy since Campania is such a disastred area they tend to spread.
And bit of the rest. I'd say in Turin there are like 100-120k Juventus supporters. Torino fans even tough their team is sucking since decades are slowling dying out but still present.

One problem I see in the long run is the reinforcement of the feeling of Napoli as the team of South Italians. Like who supports Juve in south has a really hard time. Maybe the tendency is that Juventus fan base will decrease in the south. Do you agree?

 

[Suns]

Germans have a cap on prices so going on a game is very cheap, that is why stadiums are also filled.

 

[Valerio.]

So my guess was right

With 100.000 real supporters in the city, with maybe half of these being able to pay to go to the stadium, a 50.000 capacity seems adequate.

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One problem I see in the long run is the reinforcement of the feeling of Napoli as the team of South Italians. Like who supports Juve in south has a really hard time. Maybe the tendency is that Juventus fan base will decrease in the south. Do you agree?

Nah it's no problem. Anyone who isn't napolitan hates Napoli. They're hated by everyone the only ones rooting for Napoli are napolitans and the sons of those who moved away from Napoli. I mean even 40km away from Napoli they strongly hate Napoli fans!
Basically the territorial discrimination law was made only for Napoli fans and napolitans. To describe how much they're hated.

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Germans have a cap on prices so going on a game is very cheap, that is why stadiums are also filled.

are you german? cause last time i check BVB ticket price it didn't differ that much from ours.

 

[vodka]

we can expand to 55k max, according to some reports. still I think we should have something like emirates in terms of capacity

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We need to get dem Asians and Arabs to fill our stadium like Man Utd does. But alas, we don't have a marketing team.

 

[only-juve]

We need to get dem Asians and Arabs to fill our stadium like Man Utd does. But alas, we don't have a marketing team.

How many asians/Arabs is Turin, or even entire Italy in comparison to England ! My guess is England has more of the two.

Thing is, England and London specifically is a global city just like New York, Paris where you have people from all over the world. Turin is more locally, many people in the world don't know that such a city even exist on the map.

 

[Sjaban]

My friend was in Allianz on a freezing winter day when Bayern was playing the bottom of the league team and still the stadium was filled to the brim. Those Germans take it very seriously.

Tickets are very cheap in Germany though, they've got a good marketing deal going on for all the teams in the Bundesliga allowing them to offer match tickets for a very low price

 

[PedroFlu]

Nah it's no problem. Anyone who isn't napolitan hates Napoli. They're hated by everyone the only ones rooting for Napoli are napolitans and the sons of those who moved away from Napoli. I mean even 40km away from Napoli they strongly hate Napoli fans!
Basically the territorial discrimination law was made only for Napoli fans and napolitans. To describe how much they're hated.

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are you german? cause last time i check BVB ticket price it didn't differ that much from ours.

Do you actually live in Turin?

Why are Napolitans hated so much in the rest of Italy, even by the Southerns? Mafia?

 

[Valerio.]

Do you actually live in Turin?

Why are Napolitans hated so much in the rest of Italy, even by the Southerns? Mafia?

ye breed and born

Cause they're so arrogant. Their reality tends to slip into dream land and they believe the bulls hit they spit. Plus going to Napoli to follow your team is a nightmare. A mass of barbarians. And to that add the fact that they don't consider nor like themself being italian. They claim that hundred of years ago they had it better but then the evil Garibaldi and since then they sucked hard pretty much anything. They consider football a sort of social redemption. Their life and their city is such a mess that makes thousand of them going away for despair but still they spit bull crap on everyone else city just to say "Napoli is the greatest and so on". Plus if you being a napolitan don't root for the home team basically you have to hide yourself since their totally crazy that they would get violent and ostracize you just cause don't share their love for their team even if your born in the OH SO GREAT Napoli. What's more they repeatedly booed our anthem. They're just a shame for Italy. And honestly a whole lot of italians (let's say 7/10) would prefere a hole instead of Napoli city and metropolitan city. That's the reason of the chants such as "Vesuvio (the volcano) wash them with fire" and other jokes on how they're basically the last city in 21° century to had colera spread.
But what's more funny they think of themself of some kind of saviors of the south Italy while no one beside themself love or admire Napoli and so on.
Look this is a video (comical one but there are severals if you type I napoletani tribuna politica) with the title "Napolitans or Trash?" basically it's a comic show going on if you prefere to have a napolitan neighbour or a mass of trash. From the stand point of a Lega politician and another one. And there are much more. Sadly they aren't subtitled..
Just to repeat myself they're shame of our country even more than Mafia and all their kinds. Bet you heard of Napoli's trash problem seen on tv and what a huge problem is, right?? Ever wonder why it's happens only in Napoli?
Honestly a nuke and you'd get rid of at least 60% of all the napolitans in the world.

 

[Vlad]

ye breed and born

Cause they're so arrogant. Their reality tends to slip into dream land and they believe the bulls hit they spit. Plus going to Napoli to follow your team is a nightmare. A mass of barbarians. And to that add the fact that they don't consider nor like themself being italian. They claim that hundred of years ago they had it better but then the evil Garibaldi and since then they sucked hard pretty much anything. They consider football a sort of social redemption. Their life and their city is such a mess that makes thousand of them going away for despair but still they spit bull crap on everyone else city just to say "Napoli is the greatest and so on". Plus if you being a napolitan don't root for the home team basically you have to hide yourself since their totally crazy that they would get violent and ostracize you just cause don't share their love for their team even if your born in the OH SO GREAT Napoli. What's more they repeatedly booed our anthem. They're just a shame for Italy. And honestly a whole lot of italians (let's say 7/10) would prefere a hole instead of Napoli city and metropolitan city. That's the reason of the chants such as "Vesuvio (the volcano) wash them with fire" and other jokes on how they're basically the last city in 21° century to had colera spread.
But what's more funny they think of themself of some kind of saviors of the south Italy while no one beside themself love or admire Napoli and so on.
Look this is a video (comical one but there are severals if you type I napoletani tribuna politica) with the title "Napolitans or Trash?" basically it's a comic show going on if you prefere to have a napolitan neighbour or a mass of trash. From the stand point of a Lega politician and another one. And there are much more. Sadly they aren't subtitled..
Just to repeat myself they're shame of our country even more than Mafia and all their kinds. Bet you heard of Napoli's trash and the problem seen on tv what a huge problem is right?? Ever wonder why it's happens only in Napoli?
Honestly a nuke and you'd get rid of at least 60% of all the napolitans in the world.

 

[PedroFlu]

ye breed and born

Cause they're so arrogant. Their reality tends to slip into dream land and they believe the bulls hit they spit. Plus going to Napoli to follow your team is a nightmare. A mass of barbarians. And to that add the fact that they don't consider nor like themself being italian. They claim that hundred of years ago they had it better but then the evil Garibaldi and since then they sucked hard pretty much anything. They consider football a sort of social redemption. Their life and their city is such a mess that makes thousand of them going away for despair but still they spit bull crap on everyone else city just to say "Napoli is the greatest and so on". Plus if you being a napolitan don't root for the home team basically you have to hide yourself since their totally crazy that they would get violent and ostracize you just cause don't share their love for their team even if your born in the OH SO GREAT Napoli. What's more they repeatedly booed our anthem. They're just a shame for Italy. And honestly a whole lot of italians (let's say 7/10) would prefere a hole instead of Napoli city and metropolitan city. That's the reason of the chants such as "Vesuvio (the volcano) wash them with fire" and other jokes on how they're basically the last city in 21° century to had colera spread.
But what's more funny they think of themself of some kind of saviors of the south Italy while no one beside themself love or admire Napoli and so on.
Look this is a video (comical one but there are severals if you type I napoletani tribuna politica) with the title "Napolitans or Trash?" basically it's a comic show going on if you prefere to have a napolitan neighbour or a mass of trash. From the stand point of a Lega politician and another one. And there are much more. Sadly they aren't subtitled..
Just to repeat myself they're shame of our country even more than Mafia and all their kinds. Bet you heard of Napoli's trash problem seen on tv and what a huge problem is, right?? Ever wonder why it's happens only in Napoli?
Honestly a nuke and you'd get rid of at least 60% of all the napolitans in the world.

Thanks a lot for the response. + REP. It's great to have an Italian from Turin here at the forum. My grandfather was Italian and it's really interesting to have access to opinion from inside.

I've been in Italy for a week but didn't have the opportunity to visit Turin. Going to Turin and to Juventus Stadium is a dream of mine and I really hope to make it happen soon.

I really thought that none of the southern part of the country related to Italy or to the north. And I thought that southerns in general related to Napoli as being their "leaders" in that sense.

So apart from Napoli, the South of Italy (including Sicilia, Sardegna) does not hate the north or Rome? Do the rest actually relates to being part of Italy?

It's a common thought that Italy isn't really a Nation on the concept that there's no cultural identity between north and south. It's more of a country where the unification was somewhat enforced.

It's funny but what you described really really look like Argentinians here at South America . Delusional, big headed, self entitled, stubborn, superficially proud.

Yes I know the trash problem in Napoli.

Actually I think Italy really looks like Brasil in some aspects. The lack of organization, lack of honesty and seriousness by the leaders, the general spreaded will to individually take advantage of situations even if it means others will be damaged. The improvisation instead of planning, the priority of the "now" instead of thinking about the future, the superficiality of vain and exxagerated self love, the bad habbit of pointing out to politicians as the guilty ones for everything, when they are nothing less than the reflex of the people itself.

 

[Valerio.]

Thanks a lot for the response. + REP. It's great to have an Italian from Turin here at the forum. My grandfather was Italian and it's really interesting to have access to opinion from inside.

I've been in Italy for a week but didn't have the opportunity to visit Turin. Going to Turin and to Juventus Stadium is a dream of mine and I really hope to make it happen soon.

I really thought that none of the southern part of the country related to Italy or to the north. And I thought that southerns in general related to Napoli as being their "leaders" in that sense.

So apart from Napoli, the South of Italy (including Sicilia, Sardegna) does not hate the north or Rome? Do the rest actually relates to being part of Italy?

It's a common thought that Italy isn't really a Nation on the concept that there's no cultural identity between north and south. It's more of a country where the unification was somewhat enforced.

It's funny but what you described really really look like Argentinians here at South America . Delusional, big headed, self entitled, stubborn, superficially proud.

Yes I know the trash problem in Napoli.

Actually I think Italy really looks like Brasil in some aspects. The lack of organization, lack of honesty and seriousness by the leaders, the general spreaded will to individually take advantage of situations even if it means others will be damaged. The improvisation instead of planning, the priority of the "now" instead of thinking about the future, the superficiality of vain and exxagerated self love, the bad habbit of pointing out to politicians as the guilty ones for everything, when they are nothing less than the reflex of the people itself.

Everybody agree that Italy unlike the rest of the world has not a cultural identity and unity. That's cause till 153years ago Italy was divided in dozen of smaller nations. Each with a strong identity. But still the rest of Italy doesn't go around after 150 years yelling to everybody : We're not Italy! we're not Italians. Instead we unified and we think of ourself as abitant of a certain city, a citizen of a certain region of Italy and lastly as a italian. In fact some says that italians are truly united only when the "azzurri" play. But still over the decades we had out toons of nationalism.

About the hate of the south for the north is just a thing of Napolitans. There is no such a thing. The only haters in Sicily or Sardinia or elsewhere are napolitans who emigrated. That's cause lot of people from the south in the 60' moved to work to the north and people mixed a lot so why would you hate your parents??
Take myself as example. My father parents are from Sicily and they emigrated 60years ago. My father is born in Venaria (a comune attached to Turin) and my mother as well. My grandma from my mother side emigrated from Friuli her husband born in Geneva.
i'm the son of the south and north. I visited sicily (my grand parents own a Villa close to sea in Sicily) every year till i turned fifteen. I never noticed or heard of people hating the north.

And to finish anyone makes pride on themself and not on someonelse. Specially to napolitans.

Brasil is lucky compared to us. Great past but we are lost in a sea of problems which hardly will ever be solved. At least brazilians has a huge country full of resources and so on.

 

[PedroFlu]

Everybody agree that Italy unlike the rest of the world has not a cultural identity and unity. That's cause till 153years ago Italy was divided in dozen of smaller nations. Each with a strong identity. But still the rest of Italy doesn't go around after 150 years yelling to everybody : We're not Italy! we're not Italians. Instead we unified and we think of ourself as abitant of a certain city, a citizen of a certain region of Italy and lastly as a italian. In fact some says that italians are truly united only when the "azzurri" play. But still over the decades we had out toons of nationalism.

About the hate of the south for the north is just a thing of Napolitans. There is no such a thing. The only haters in Sicily or Sardinia or elsewhere are napolitans who emigrated. That's cause lot of people from the south in the 60' moved to work to the north and people mixed a lot so why would you hate your parents??
Take myself as example. My father parents are from Sicily and they emigrated 60years ago. My father is born in Venaria (a comune attached to Turin) and my mother as well. My grandma from my mother side emigrated from Friuli her husband born in Geneva.
i'm the son of the south and north. I visited sicily (my grand parents own a Villa close to sea in Sicily) every year till i turned fifteen. I never noticed or heard of people hating the north.

And to finish anyone makes pride on themself and not on someonelse. Specially to napolitans.

Brasil is lucky compared to us. Great past but we are lost in a sea of problems which hardly will ever be solved. At least brazilians has a huge country full of resources and so on.

Well not really. Brazilians are uneducated and at the same time they are warm and helpful people, they are very egoistic. I don't see things changing here. At the same time everybody complains about the politicians and corruption, they would gladly accept small benefits from being a relative to one of these politicians for example.

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[Valerio.]

Well not really. Brazilians are uneducated and at the same time they are warm and helpful people, they are very egoistic. I don't see things changing here. At the same time everybody complains about the politicians and corruption, they would gladly accept small benefits from being a relative to one of these politicians for example.

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Well that's the same here. Most of jobs are gained by family and favors.

Btw sorry but i don't use neither Facebook nor twitter... got my ideas on privacy i don't like someone spying on me XD

 

[PedroFlu]

haha ok then

how about Berlusconi? Do Italians realize how fucked up it is to have him as a leader? It's really really crazy that a guy like that, absolutely out of reality, has so much power in a big country.

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Btw, what do you think of vecchiasignora.com forum? Does it represent the general line of thinking of Italian Juve fans? I read there frequently.

 

[LiquidPLP]

haha ok then

how about Berlusconi? Do Italians realize how $#@!ed up it is to have him as a leader? It's really really crazy that a guy like that, absolutely out of reality, has so much power in a big country.

I'm not Italian but I think I know the answer. I think young people in general realize that but you have this problem with older people who are used to it and always replay "that's like the world works" or something like that. With them getting older they settle for 'safety'; things they already know. They prefer to have a cake even if it's not enough than take risks of being left with nothing I guess. Anyway that's how I see it here, in Poland.

Tbh I always though Italians were a proud nation, being attached to their identity. I also thought the whole 'south' hates the 'north'. You never stop learning process

 

[Hængebøffer]

Everybody agree that Italy unlike the rest of the world has not a cultural identity and unity. That's cause till 153years ago Italy was divided in dozen of smaller nations. Each with a strong identity. But still the rest of Italy doesn't go around after 150 years yelling to everybody : We're not Italy! we're not Italians. Instead we unified and we think of ourself as abitant of a certain city, a citizen of a certain region of Italy and lastly as a italian. In fact some says that italians are truly united only when the "azzurri" play. But still over the decades we had out toons of nationalism.

About the hate of the south for the north is just a thing of Napolitans. There is no such a thing. The only haters in Sicily or Sardinia or elsewhere are napolitans who emigrated. That's cause lot of people from the south in the 60' moved to work to the north and people mixed a lot so why would you hate your parents??
Take myself as example. My father parents are from Sicily and they emigrated 60years ago. My father is born in Venaria (a comune attached to Turin) and my mother as well. My grandma from my mother side emigrated from Friuli her husband born in Geneva.
i'm the son of the south and north. I visited sicily (my grand parents own a Villa close to sea in Sicily) every year till i turned fifteen. I never noticed or heard of people hating the north.

And to finish anyone makes pride on themself and not on someonelse. Specially to napolitans.

Brasil is lucky compared to us. Great past but we are lost in a sea of problems which hardly will ever be solved. At least brazilians has a huge country full of resources and so on.

It's not just a "Napoli thing".

 

[Ocelot]

From the impression I got is that there is somewhat of a disdain prevailing in the north towards the south, especially in regions like Verona.

 

[Salvo]

The south is definitely looked down upon from people in the north, except in summer when all you Fuckers want to come down to the beaches.