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[KB824]

There must be a balance than can be achieved in between leaving things as they are/were and the completely sanitised stuff that most of Europe is heading towards.

I would like you to expound on your comments.

Are you upset that football is finally showing itself what it always was, but hid it uner the mask of nostalagia and passion, and that it was, is, and always willbe a business?

These are very different times. The advent of Satellite TV, the internet, and Multiple Football Channels have given the modern day football fan every reason not to actually get up out of their couch, get in their cars, adn go to the matches.

The only way that juve, and many other teams out there can stay financially solvent is to change the way that they apporach their business model.

Football stadiums and the experience in and of itslef can no longer be strictly for the product on the field. Fans can simply watch the match on TV if that is all they want, but the modern fan expects, and demands more. Going to a match needs to be an experience now, and it needs to be an experience that the whole family can enjoy, feel safe in, and more importantly, want them to come back again and again, especially the younger fans and the children.

The thought process of "Hey. let's go to a game", where it can be done on a moment's notice is long gone. These experiences now need to be planned out, not unlike any other event that people or a family need to plan for.

 

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[Suns]

Forza the rods, we should use them to our advantage. Connect some cameras on the rods so they could give us some new angles on the pitch. And while we're at it, lets sell advertisement on the rods and get more money. In a few years rods will be our new money maker and every new stadium will have rods in them. Rods are the future.

 

[JuveJay]

Plus we could decorate them when we actually have a team that is winning. Or ultras could climb them to gain a better vantage point for flares attacks on the travelling fans.

 

[Fake Melo]

Let's hang Marco Motta on the rods!

Or put his head on the rods like Todd and Timmy (May their souls rest in peace)

 

[Nenz]

What would you rather have Juventus do?

The other option is an umitigated disaster.

I think we could have extended the second tier at least another 10,000. I would have liked it if we left it seatless behind goals which was never going to happen but that would have been ideal.

From the outside this is arguably the most beautiful stadium in Europe. Its not just the stadium but its entire surroundings that make it look amazing and unique.

 

[JuveJay]

The backdrop is fantastic, for sure.

Even better when that mist rolls in

 

[Nenz]

I would like you to expound on your comments.

Are you upset that football is finally showing itself what it always was, but hid it uner the mask of nostalagia and passion, and that it was, is, and always willbe a business?

These are very different times. The advent of Satellite TV, the internet, and Multiple Football Channels have given the modern day football fan every reason not to actually get up out of their couch, get in their cars, adn go to the matches.

The only way that juve, and many other teams out there can stay financially solvent is to change the way that they apporach their business model.

Football stadiums and the experience in and of itslef can no longer be strictly for the product on the field. Fans can simply watch the match on TV if that is all they want, but the modern fan expects, and demands more. Going to a match needs to be an experience now, and it needs to be an experience that the whole family can enjoy, feel safe in, and more importantly, want them to come back again and again, especially the younger fans and the children.

The thought process of "Hey. let's go to a game", where it can be done on a moment's notice is long gone. These experiences now need to be planned out, not unlike any other event that people or a family need to plan for.

I have to agree with you and its very unfortunate. Everyone who has ever actually been to a live game however, is able to make the clear distinction. Live games will always have appeal especially now we have such an intimate stadium. In saying that, compounding improved intimacy with making the stadium more 'family friendly' will definitely be counterproductive to the objective of improved atmosphere (as we've seen in the EPL). Lets face it, while the ultras are perceived as dangerous they also can make a boring game exciting. So really the smartest move for a club like ours would be to find the balance between creating a safe environment for all patrons whilst maintaining the atmosphere that hooligans create. If that balance can be achieved then so can the live games maximum appeal and we'll fill the stadium. We're not Man U. We're not going to have tourists coming in droves paying $500 a ticket taking up majority of the stadium every week.. so preserving atmosphere is imperative.

 

[Red]

I would like you to expound on your comments.

Are you upset that football is finally showing itself what it always was, but hid it uner the mask of nostalagia and passion, and that it was, is, and always willbe a business?

These are very different times. The advent of Satellite TV, the internet, and Multiple Football Channels have given the modern day football fan every reason not to actually get up out of their couch, get in their cars, adn go to the matches.

The only way that juve, and many other teams out there can stay financially solvent is to change the way that they apporach their business model.

Football stadiums and the experience in and of itslef can no longer be strictly for the product on the field. Fans can simply watch the match on TV if that is all they want, but the modern fan expects, and demands more. Going to a match needs to be an experience now, and it needs to be an experience that the whole family can enjoy, feel safe in, and more importantly, want them to come back again and again, especially the younger fans and the children.

The thought process of "Hey. let's go to a game", where it can be done on a moment's notice is long gone. These experiences now need to be planned out, not unlike any other event that people or a family need to plan for.

I'm speaking from the point of view of a person who goes to games every other week and do so because I care about my team, rather than it being about entertainment.

A significant part of the football 'experience' is the atmosphere in the ground, for people who are there or watching on TV.

Now clearly one doesn't want people rioting and fighting every week (though I love the intensity of atmosphere it brings to a game), but you do need to keep a good chunk of the hardcore support or it will end up with most games being played in near silence (see Arsenal).

Without an atmosphere around the game, you will find that the newcomers realise that there is something missing in the matchday experience and it is the fact that clubs have decided to ditch people who really care about the club in favour of more profitable individuals who will show up, sit quietly and go home.

Will those new people keep going when the atmosphere dies as a result of them?

Then that leads to TV coverage. No matter how much the crowd volume is turned up, it will still sound shit.

Will people be as inclined to watch when there is nothing going in the stadium with nothing other than the match?

And what happens when a team goes through a shit spell?

Will these newcomers keep going to watch a rubbish team the way that the reliable hardcore support would?

I know progress has to happen, but the clubs need to be very careful not to alienate their traditional fanbase with an over sanitised and overpriced stadium.

Without those fans, the money from TV and the lucrative newcomers may not be as forthcoming.


Have you ever read Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby? There's a good bit in it about his concerns when Arsenal were starting a similar process in the early 1990s.

 

[KB824]

I'm speaking from the point of view of a person who goes to games every other week and do so because I care about my team, rather than it being about entertainment.

A significant part of the football 'experience' is the atmosphere in the ground, for people who are there or watching on TV.

Now clearly one doesn't want people rioting and fighting every week (though I love the intensity of atmosphere it brings to a game), but you do need to keep a good chunk of the hardcore support or it will end up with most games being played in near silence (see Arsenal).

Without an atmosphere around the game, you will find that the newcomers realise that there is something missing in the matchday experience and it is the fact that clubs have decided to ditch people who really care about the club in favour of more profitable individuals who will show up, sit quietly and go home.

Will those new people keep going when the atmosphere dies as a result of them?

Then that leads to TV coverage. No matter how much the crowd volume is turned up, it will still sound shit.

Will people be as inclined to watch when there is nothing going in the stadium with nothing other than the match?

And what happens when a team goes through a shit spell?

Will these newcomers keep going to watch a rubbish team the way that the reliable hardcore support would?

I know progress has to happen, but the clubs need to be very careful not to alienate their traditional fanbase with an over sanitised and overpriced stadium.

Without those fans, the money from TV and the lucrative newcomers may not be as forthcoming.


Have you ever read Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby? There's a good bit in it about his concerns when Arsenal were starting a similar process in the early 1990s.

Red, the Ultras are always going to be there to provide atmosphere. They need to behave themselves however so as not to scare off potential ticket purchasers, and yes, fans of the opposition as well. They know that the Ultras will always be there. It's those luxury boxes and the rest of the seats that they need to worry about filiing. That only comes when there is a sense of safety and security at the stadium

 

[Red]

Red, the Ultras are always going to be there to provide atmosphere. They need to behave themselves however so as not to scare off potential ticket purchasers, and yes, fans of the opposition as well. They know that the Ultras will always be there. It's those luxury boxes and the rest of the seats that they need to worry about filiing. That only comes when there is a sense of safety and security at the stadium

Will the Ultras always be there?

If things go the way of England and end up being over-stewarded and with overpriced tickets, who's to say they won't get fed up?

 

[swag]

Let's hang Marco Motta on the rods!

Or put his head on the rods like Todd and Timmy (May their souls rest in peace)

Piñata Night at the delle Alpi!

 

[Delle Alpi]

Piñata Night at the delle Alpi!

I am not hosting any, sorry.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Yeah, and congratulations to Juventus being able to make far more money out of their stadium than milan could ever hope to dream of with a stadium twice its capacity.

Sorry, Libero, but you kind of asked for it

Sergio?

More money? That's your argument?

Nevermind that (for now) this business model of yours will only give you supremacy in Italy, as you're nowhere near generating as much revenue as the European (English, essentially) "models".

But I mean : San Siro.

SAN. SIRO.

The basilica of Italian football, one of the 3 or 4 World Stadiums. 90 years of history, 200 derbies. 1000 stories, and 1000 more.

The sight of a colossus that any pants-wetting opposing fan who has walked that mile from piazzale Lotto can never hope to cancel from his haunted mind.

Incidentally also an engineering masterpiece, considering that, 80 years after the fact, even ze masters of Presizion have copied its shape for the most modern arena ever conceived on German soil.

And you're countering this with "half the capacity ok, BUT more revenue!".

What, I should feel challenged because Gigi o' tamarro is contributing to the cause by splashing 400 euros just so his name can appear next to Dal Pero's star?

FFS Sergio, not you!

Think of the rotten pears, think of the piss balloons!

Was that all for nothing???

Finally showing itself for what it is? Business model? The "experience"?!??

In America Sergio, in America.

Not in the World, not in Europe and not in Italy, the Homeland of agonismo.

Screw the big show, screw the product, screw the plan. This the Stadium.

One of the last perimeters from where we are free to exclude absolutely any form of conventional wisdom, social politeness and assorted right-thinking, feel-good, pre-digested, savourless crap. Not to mention a few more relevant things I better not name here considering where Im typing from.

Guelphs versus Ghibellins, Sergio.

We've been at it for a couple of millenia, and there's no reason to stop, especially now.

Primitive tribalism in all its fantastic nonsense and magnificent stupidity, now and forever!

 

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[Kaiser Franco]

I would have liked it if we left it seatless behind goals which was never going to happen but that would have been ideal.

This.

We've had Italia 90, the biggest waste of taxpayer money and missed golden opportunity in recent history. Of which the defunct Delle Alpi stood as a symbol among symbols, btw.

Deutschland 2006, on the other hand, left the model to be followed, or at any rate a less noxious alternative.

I.e. : fine, have a McStadium. But don't touch the curva. We're all standing up there. AND don't touch the ticket prices. The result is the highest attendances in Europe, with Udo the electrician aus Kleindorpf - Karbonland still able to support his team week in, week out.

 

[Red]

But families sitting in the posh seats might be offended if people in the curva say nasty things.


The crowds and the stadia are one of the reasons I love watching Serie A, even when the league is pretty shit.

I really hope they don't all give in and become as bland as it all is in England.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

PS : I don't remember ever exchanging a single word with this Hydde specimen.....but he does sound like a most competitive bimbominkia, that much I must give to him.

 

[Kasaki]

The san siro should be respected

 

[JUVEMOOD]

We've had Italia 90, the biggest waste of taxpayer money and missed golden opportunity in recent history. Of which the defunct Delle Alpi stood as a symbol among symbols, btw.

Deutschland 2006, on the other hand, left the model to be followed, or at any rate a less noxious alternative.

whats with Italia '90??

I wonder if you support Juventus, how much ur egoism will reach?

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Italia 90, what with it.

A few billions euros down the shitter, nothing much really.

To distribute all those tenders to the amici.

To name the amici degli amici to this and that other directorship.

To build stadiums that were so ahead of their time that they had become obsolete even before completion.

Honourable mention to the Delle Alpi, of course. The gigantic-mega-galactic-let's-go-athleltic Delle Alpi.

With final costs doubling, tripling, quadrupling compared to initial estimates.

Hey I know what else, ama build this super-cool rail ring around Rome, yeah but we only use it for the duration of the World Cup.

A few hundred millions euros, for a 15 day service.

Hey what can I say, I have to feed the amici.

The awe-inspiring spectacle of Italia 90, how can we forget.

All owed to one man, whose name is proudly and forever carved in golden letters on the marble plate of this universal, historic Event.

Luca Cordero di Montezemolo.

The FIAT man.

The sleek yuppie avant la lettre, who had befriended Agnelli by providing him the cocaine and young prostitutes his aging reptilious body was craving for.

The FIAT man who by 1990 could boast a resume of consecutive failures at Ferrari, Cinzano and of course FIAT.

This HAD to be the man of the situation for Italia 90, of course.

And after Italia 90, he was immediately placed at the helm of Juventus.

An era that I am sure the older gobbi here must remember fondly.

The era of the mythical Lupi-De Marchi defensive duo.

The era of the never forgotten Gigi Maifredi as coach.

But Italia 90, oh man, the times we had.