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[only-juve]

Cron i think your exaggerating the whole stadium capacity thing, IMO 41k was the perfect number.

I've been to stadiums where the capacity was 75 thousands (Old Trafford) and it was one of the most "boring" experiences that i've ever had.
Felt exactly the opposite in argentina in the Bombonera stadium, though it was much smaller.

Plus even today with our new stadium we still see empty seats in some games. We do have the biggest fan base in Italy but the fans in turin are either lazy or just don't bother much about going to the stadium (always wondered whats wrong with them !).

Anyways from the look of it, we have a great atmosphere in the new stadium, the players felt it and we the fans watching even faar away felt it too. Again 41k isn't small at all, personaly to me its the perfect number.

 

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[Cronios]

Cron i think your exaggerating the whole stadium capacity thing, IMO 41k was the perfect number.

I've been to stadiums where the capacity was 75 thousands (Old Trafford) and it was one of the most "boring" experiences that i've ever had.
Felt exactly the opposite in argentina in the Bombonera stadium, though it was much smaller.

Plus even today with our new stadium we still see empty seats in some games. We do have the biggest fan base in Italy but the fans in turin are either lazy or just don't bother much about going to the stadium (always wondered whats wrong with them !).

Anyways from the look of it, we have a great atmosphere in the new stadium, the players felt it and we the fans watching even faar away felt it too. Again 41k isn't small at all, personaly to me its the perfect number.

We made a downgrade from a 70k seat stadium to a 40k one.
The other Milan clubs have a 80k stadium, quite double! Even Fiorentina has a bigger stadium than us.
Big teams, have bigger stadiums, there is a trend to make them smaller though, in order to reduce the expenses, but 2 times smaller than our direct adversaries?
They have the potential to earn twice as much atm, they have the potential to grow bigger and expand even more.
They think big, they plan big, they achieve what big teams do.


This management, is thinking small, by the very first day they took over.
The stadium issue is just another decision/example.
We are trying (desperately) to present this fact in a positive light, but this wont change the facts.
And the fact is that we have a stadium of the capacity of a middle table team in serie A, we are consistently rank in mid table positions in serie A,
we are progressively cutting any ties we ever had with competitive football of the highest quality.

Every move we make, reflects the lack of ambitions, to grow bigger than a mid table team in Italy and become a European powerhouse, in the far far future.
We are now ages away from that and some things, that cannot be changed within a year, will be far more difficult to revert to our former situation, if we ever have a decent owner some time again...

The excuses of the atmosphere, are heard before and were succesfully applied to other small and middle table teams, in order to help their fans to diggest the lack of ambitions and crude reality, their onwers know, in contrast with the delusional hopes they are promoting to the fool fans.
But anyways facts are there to speak by themselves, the bigger the club is, the more widely spread its popularity is, the more needs it has to host its numerous fans.

The current stadium surely is fine for our current needs, i worry not for that, we are just a mid table team, not playing in Europe and a degrading former glory of Italian football.
What i m worried about is the future and the standards and limits we set, to our long terms goals and ambitions.
This stadium is built to last for decades and i hoped that sometime in the future we might host a cup final, a scudetto decider, a CL semi, etc
but it seems that this is not in the immediate plans of our current owners for the next decades and our fans, dont bother either...

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Fuck you talk a lot of bollocks just to make a crappy point.

 

[Cronios]

Well my point has some arguments, can you do anything better than a fuck you?
I thought so...

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I didnt say "fuck you"

I said fuck you talk a lot of bollocks.

 

[Avalanche]

Fuck *deep breath* you talk a lot of bollocks.

 

[Vlad]

Cron i think your exaggerating the whole stadium capacity thing, IMO 41k was the perfect number.

I've been to stadiums where the capacity was 75 thousands (Old Trafford) and it was one of the most "boring" experiences that i've ever had.
Felt exactly the opposite in argentina in the Bombonera stadium, though it was much smaller.

Plus even today with our new stadium we still see empty seats in some games. We do have the biggest fan base in Italy but the fans in turin are either lazy or just don't bother much about going to the stadium (always wondered whats wrong with them !).

Anyways from the look of it, we have a great atmosphere in the new stadium, the players felt it and we the fans watching even faar away felt it too. Again 41k isn't small at all, personaly to me its the perfect number.

It's a good capacity for now but if we continue to sell all tickets 2 weeks before the game starts then expansion is what we need. For the next season I've read on another forum, they plan to expand to 50 000 seats.
And atmosphere in England is different than in Italy. English fans tend to sit and aplaud good moves, rarely you can hear some organized singing. Liverpool fans sing "You'll never walk alone" often but for others from what I've heard on TV it's almost like a theatre. Italians like to stand,sing and cheer through a whole match. They are very organized in singing, there are usually couple of guys with megaphones so that explains better atmosphere.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Fuck *deep breath* you talk a lot of bollocks.

exactly

 

[Vlad]

We made a downgrade from a 70k seat stadium to a 40k one.
The other Milan clubs have a 80k stadium, quite double! Even Fiorentina has a bigger stadium than us.
Big teams, have bigger stadiums, there is a trend to make them smaller though, in order to reduce the expenses, but 2 times smaller than our direct adversaries?
They have the potential to earn twice as much atm, they have the potential to grow bigger and expand even more.
They think big, they plan big, they achieve what big teams do.


This management, is thinking small, by the very first day they took over.
The stadium issue is just another decision/example.
We are trying (desperately) to present this fact in a positive light, but this wont change the facts.
And the fact is that we have a stadium of the capacity of a middle table team in serie A, we are consistently rank in mid table positions in serie A,
we are progressively cutting any ties we ever had with competitive football of the highest quality.

Every move we make, reflects the lack of ambitions, to grow bigger than a mid table team in Italy and become a European powerhouse, in the far far future.
We are now ages away from that and some things, that cannot be changed within a year, will be far more difficult to revert to our former situation, if we ever have a decent owner some time again...

The excuses of the atmosphere, are heard before and were succesfully applied to other small and middle table teams, in order to help their fans to diggest the lack of ambitions and crude reality, their onwers know, in contrast with the delusional hopes they are promoting to the fool fans.
But anyways facts are there to speak by themselves, the bigger the club is, the more widely spread its popularity is, the more needs it has to host its numerous fans.

The current stadium surely is fine for our current needs, i worry not for that, we are just a mid table team, not playing in Europe and a degrading former glory of Italian football.
What i m worried about is the future and the standards and limits we set, to our long terms goals and ambitions.
This stadium is built to last for decades and i hoped that sometime in the future we might host a cup final, a scudetto decider, a CL semi, etc
but it seems that this is not in the immediate plans of our current owners for the next decades and our fans, dont bother either...

You're too harsh. I know we should always aspire for better, bigger things, I wrote that somewhere here, but our stadium is currently the best in Italy and it will be the best for another 5-6 years. The revenue which we will record at the end of business year will confirm that. For next year there will be changes in capacity.

 

[Nenz]

Not all big teams have big stadiums and even if we did have one we would probably never fill it. I wouldn't go any bigger than a 52K stadium.

 

[Trequartista]

People still read Cronos' posts this days?

I've learned to avoid them a long time ago.

 

[Vlad]

60K would be my choice. We shouldn't use Delle Alpi's or Olimpico's average attendance for analysis of our future attendance. This stadium is excellent in every aspect and has potential to be even better. Delle Alpi really had poor visibility. I was there and even though it was beautiful looking stadium from outside the mayor factor for poor attendance was as I've said before poor visibility.

 

[only-juve]

60K would be my choice. We shouldn't use Delle Alpi's or Olimpico's average attendance for analysis of our future attendance. This stadium is excellent in every aspect and has potential to be even better. Delle Alpi really had poor visibility. I was there and even though it was beautiful looking stadium from outside the mayor factor for poor attendance was as I've said before poor visibility.

Really don't think the poor visibility is the only reason for fans not attending Juve's games back then.

The best strategy that the club must take is to wait and see if they manage to sell-out in almost "every" game this season and next season too then it will make sense to expand the stadium more.

If not then i much rather watch a Juve game with the current atmosphere then trying to watch a game with half the stadium empty....

 

[Vlad]

Really don't think the poor visibility is the only reason for fans not attending Juve's games back then.

The best strategy that the club must take is to wait and see if they manage to sell-out in almost "every" game this season and next season too then it will make sense to expand the stadium more.

If not then i much rather watch a Juve game with the current atmosphere then trying to watch a game with half the stadium empty....

Poor visibility because of the running track and from some seats you weren't able to see the entire pitch, lack of other content such as snack bars, restoraunts, Juventus museum, general insecurity in and around the stadium. There are many reasons but if you can't see game properly and you have to pay 40 Euros it's a main issue for me.
This stadium will attract more interest because most of those issues are resolved so filling 55-60K in future shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Ahmed]

for fuck's sakes with this discussion about maximum capacity.

 

[Vlad]

for fuck's sakes with this discussion about maximum capacity.

We are just discussing possibilities. What's a big deal?

 

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[ALC]

Juve has such shit attendance

 

[Vlad]

Those stats are wrong. Stadium was sold out for past two games. Here is another link but I think they don't count premium seats for some reason.
http://www.stadiapostcards.com/

 

[hudick]

Stadum was sold out against Milan, Genoa and Fiorea wasn't it? I mean Juve's offical website said so.

It's just some of the season ticket holders don't go to evey match. I have around 10 friends here in Slovenia, who have season ticket but didn't go to the match against Genoa.