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Former Juventus defender Pasquale Bruno says the standard of Italian football means clubs can ‘forget about winning European trophies’.

The former centre-back won a Uefa Cup in his time in Turin, but doesn’t see any hope of an Italian side repeating that feat this year, despite the fact that Juve, Torino, Napoli, Fiorentina, Inter and Roma all still involved in continental competition.

“In Italy at the moment, we are really poor at football,” Bruno said in an interview with the Daily Record.

“We are so poor and so bad and we can forget about winning European trophies right now. In the last five years, we have had a big dip.

“I don’t think we can hope to win a European trophy in the near future. There is no chance. The standard is bad and Italian football is now really, really boring. It’s not fast or exciting.

“There is no money. Milan and Inter are struggling in this respect. The only club with any money is Juventus but they don’t have money like the English clubs.

“At least they own their own stadium and I don’t understand why more clubs don’t follow their mentality. When you own the ground, you make the money.

“There are no big Italian players and there are a lot of ordinary foreigners in the league now.

“When I see Juventus, AC [Milan] and Inter playing, I go to sleep. I’m not interested in the game.”

Bruno also played in Scotland for Heart of Midlothian in Scotland, and believes that Celtic can knock out Inter when they meet in the Europa League.


http://www.football-italia.net/62795/bruno-‘forget-about-european-trophies’

 

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[Bianconero_Aus]

He has a point overall (about the quality of Italian football not being that great) but he goes way too far IMO, and its morons like this who don't help the Italian game by constantly shitting all over it.

 

[Wings]

Was the bolded part really necessary?

 

[JuveJay]

He's a complete bonehead who shouldn't be taken seriously.

I watch most Juve games with UK coverage, and the commentators are always talking about how many of our games are fast paced. If anything Italian football was a lot slower in his day. In fact it was. The quality isn't there, it's not as quick-slow as it was, but if anything it's too fast and haphazard, it has lost the controlled roots. Especially since we moved from 3-5-2.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Was the bolded part really necessary?

Indeed. It's a stupid sentence.

He should've said: When I see Milan and Juve play, I fall asleep.

 

[Maddy]

Well, Bruno is a bit dramatic. But his overall point stands.

Italian football suck in general.

 

[Seven]

In general, yeah.

So you really believe that inheritance is more important now than it was in say the 1950's?

 

[Ocelot]

So you really believe that inheritance is more important now than it was in say the 1950's?

Yep, and all statistics back it up, at least in economically developed countries.

E.g. Inheritance flows in (western) Europe around 1950: 2-8% of GDP, depending on the country
Inheritance flows in (western) Europe now: 8-15% of GDP

Basically this, the whole chapter 11: http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014FiguresTablesLinks.pdf

 

[Maddy]

Not really. Meritocracy is the goal we're striving towards, but e.g. inheritance has been getting much more important the past few decades.

Yep, and all statistics back it up, at least in economically developed countries.

E.g. Inheritance flows in (western) Europe around 1950: 2-8% of GDP, depending on the country
Inheritance flows in (western) Europe now: 8-15% of GDP

Basically this, the whole chapter 11: http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014FiguresTablesLinks.pdf

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Plus nice to see you throw some Piketty around

 

[Seven]

Yep, and all statistics back it up, at least in economically developed countries.

E.g. Inheritance flows in (western) Europe around 1950: 2-8% of GDP, depending on the country
Inheritance flows in (western) Europe now: 8-15% of GDP

Basically this, the whole chapter 11: http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014FiguresTablesLinks.pdf

Ah, but that is something different than being more important IMO. If you measure it in GDP yes, then I can concede that it is more important. Although I believe that has much to do with several individuals having insane amounts of money and not really society as a whole.

Arguably it's the first time in history where we have people that have a higher net value than entire countries.

 

[Ocelot]

Ah, but that is something different than being more important IMO. If you measure it in GDP yes, then I can concede that it is more important. Although I believe that has much to do with several individuals having insane amounts of money and not really society as a whole.

Arguably it's the first time in history where we have people that have a higher net value than entire countries.

What is being more important then for you?

Inheritance flows probably aren't the best way to measuer the importance though, you're right, but there are some much more interesting statistics in that regard in the link I posted. For example the fraction of inherited wealth in total wealth, or the number of people inhereting the equivalent of a normal lifetime of labor income.

 

[Seven]

What is being more important then for you?

Inheritance flows probably aren't the best way to measuer the importance though, you're right, but there are some much more interesting statistics in that regard in the link I posted. For example the fraction of inherited wealth in total wealth, or the number of people inhereting the equivalent of a normal lifetime of labor income.

It used to be, for example, that you inherited your place in society. You could be a Lord or a peasant. This division in classes has somewhat disappeared. In thise sense inheritance has definitely become less important.

Now you inherit the money. Unfortunately capital is indeed becoming more and more important so on that level I would agree with you that inheritance is indeed becoming more important.

 

[Ocelot]

It used to be, for example, that you inherited your place in society. You could be a Lord or a peasant. This division in classes has somewhat disappeared. In thise sense inheritance has definitely become less important.

Now you inherit the money. Unfortunately capital is indeed becoming more and more important so on that level I would agree with you that inheritance is indeed becoming more important.

Oh, yeah the divisions between groups of labour are much more loose than before, your profession certainly isn't as strictly determined by your father's as in feudal systems.

Although my comparison wasn't that much between 200 years ago and now but more between 40 years ago and now. And here often a decline in social mobility is noticeable, meaning that while in your example the specific profession can be chosen quite freely without any major influences by you parent's standing, it is rather unlikely for someone with poor parents to become wealthy and vice versa. Captial inheritances are one major cause for that.

 

[Eddy]

He's a complete bonehead who shouldn't be taken seriously.

I watch most Juve games with UK coverage, and the commentators are always talking about how many of our games are fast paced. If anything Italian football was a lot slower in his day. In fact it was. The quality isn't there, it's not as quick-slow as it was, but if anything it's too fast and haphazard, it has lost the controlled roots. Especially since we moved from 3-5-2.

I agree completely. We do play attacking football and the only reason it doesn't show sometimes is because we don't play with wingers, which is why I miss that first season with Conte

 

[Ocelot]

I agree completely. We do play attacking football and the only reason it doesn't show sometimes is because we don't play with wingers, which is why I miss that first season with Conte

Dude, would you please stop the off-topic?

 

[Eddy]

Dude, would you please stop the off-topic?

Huh ?

 

[Seven]

Huh ?

That's it. Someone ban this guy, please.

 

[Lion]

He's a complete bonehead who shouldn't be taken seriously.

I watch most Juve games with UK coverage, and the commentators are always talking about how many of our games are fast paced. If anything Italian football was a lot slower in his day. In fact it was. The quality isn't there, it's not as quick-slow as it was, but if anything it's too fast and haphazard, it has lost the controlled roots. Especially since we moved from 3-5-2.

he as the typical poster of here mentality.

critisize the football any chance you get, but offer no solution. arm chair generals

 

[Eddy]

That's it. Someone ban this guy, please.

Fuck your ban and fuck you too.

 

[Fr3sh]

I think that warrants a ban.