So you did. Less successful league = less TV money, less appeal and no interest from top class players to come to Italy.
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yes i thought the same.
shows what kind of person benatia is. apparently there was an agreement with roma for a salary raise (~ 3 Mio. EUR net) but he wanted out to go to bayern to earn even more money (4 Mio. EUR net.)
hes a mercenary. his return to roma in CL wont be a nice one i guess.
finally pallotta brought up that his club is fine financially and the sale of benatia had nothing to do with the supposed FFP issues. would have been weird anyway cuz pallotta has put hundreds of millions in the club and the new stadium. so why should he sell the teams best defender?!
shows what kind of person benatia is. apparently there was an agreement with roma for a salary raise (~ 3 Mio. EUR net) but he wanted out to go to bayern to earn even more money (4 Mio. EUR net.)
hes a mercenary. his return to roma in CL wont be a nice one i guess.
finally pallotta brought up that his club is fine financially and the sale of benatia had nothing to do with the supposed FFP issues. would have been weird anyway cuz pallotta has put hundreds of millions in the club and the new stadium. so why should he sell the teams best defender?!
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no, Serie A is on the 2nd place on tv rights deals and contract amount is growing over and over again, now its 943m from 2015 to 2018, obviously on the next deal they will get 1b+ , Italian clubs remained the most heavily reliant on broadcasting revenue, which accounts for 59 per cent of total revenues and if Tavecchio does want to kill small clubs then he should reduce the number of team to 16
It won't be going higher forever and that's where you're wrong (as you claim every next deal will be an improvement of the previous one). If nothing changes the league won't be getting better deals pretty soon IMO. No one will simply pay to watch Serie A just when Italian champion can't beat a Portugal/Denmark/Turkish champion. Serie A will fall back if it stays as it is. Italy has only 3 CL places but it's second time in that period only two teams make it to group stages. Who will pay the big money just to see two Italian teams dumping out early from CL? In EL it looks a bit better but far from Italian's ambitions.
I think making such demands is ludicrous. I can understand asking to incorporate 3 Italians into the starting lineup (giving the national team coach a pool of 60 players to choose from), and a minimum of 6-7 Italians on the squad's roster. I think that is reasonable, but anything beyond that is fucking ridiculous, considering how pathetic the talent pool in Italy is at present.
If they are good enough, they will play. Guys like Florenzi, Berardi, El Shaarawy, De Sciglio, and others get consistent game time when they are fit because they deserve it and are good enough. The other players are simply shit, and don't deserve to start for their respective clubs. Rule or no rule doesn't change the fact that they are shit, don't deserve to play, and most definitely don't deserve a salary increase.
If they are good enough, they will play. Guys like Florenzi, Berardi, El Shaarawy, De Sciglio, and others get consistent game time when they are fit because they deserve it and are good enough. The other players are simply shit, and don't deserve to start for their respective clubs. Rule or no rule doesn't change the fact that they are shit, don't deserve to play, and most definitely don't deserve a salary increase.
What a nonsense - Italian squads won the CL 3 times In the past 10 years, Italian football will always be top football and people love it, if you want help Italians teams than build more national centers where young players can develop in future stars, help clubs to build stadiums, try to find new sponsors and investors, reducing the number of squads will not help, it will hurt, as for limit - the best way is to use this formula 10 Italians + 15 foreigners, but you can place all 11 foreigners on the field, so Italians will be forced to fight for starting spot, not earn it just because they have Italian passport
Agree. The evolution of the Italian player has to come way before they start in Serie A. When they're 12, 13, 14 years old they have to be taught how to press, how to dribble and speed, speed, speed.
It's not like Italy is not producing footballers anymore. It's just that they are producing the wrong type of footballer for the modern game. The top teams want players with pace, strength, technical and attacking abilities. So when they look in their own backyard and see slow CFs and slow registas in all the youth ranks, they say fuck it, and look abroad for the wingers that everyone uses nowadays.
It's like what happened to England. They've played a certain type of football pretty consistently throughout their history. Years ago, that type of football was acceptable in the big teams, so their young players could make those squads. Nowadays, a team like Chelsea does not play the football that is taught to young English players, so they have no use for English. They go abroad.
Basically, Italy has to focus on making more Berardis and El Shaarawys (who is closer to a Spanish or Dutch player) and less Pirlos (in terms of playing style, obviously prime Pirlo could play anywhere) and Destro types.
There are supremely talented players like Juan Mata, who right now, can't get into any big team because he is too slow or does not have the north-south work rate that these teams covet. Juan Mata!
If you look at all of Italy's "talents" that have burst onto the scene (and some have gone into big teams abroad) you see players like Cerci, Candreva, El Shaarawy, Immobile, Florenzi. Common theme is pace and work rate. Even Giaccherini could go to the EPL because of pace and work rate.
These players are not world class but they get chances with teams because they don't hurt the team with a lack of running ability.
All 11 players must run nowadays. The striker can't just stand up top and wait for a ball, for example. He has to press. Italy is making Destros, players who focus on off-ball movement when you have possession but do nothing for the team otherwise. That's a player that was effective 10 years ago but not today.
It's not like Italy is not producing footballers anymore. It's just that they are producing the wrong type of footballer for the modern game. The top teams want players with pace, strength, technical and attacking abilities. So when they look in their own backyard and see slow CFs and slow registas in all the youth ranks, they say fuck it, and look abroad for the wingers that everyone uses nowadays.
It's like what happened to England. They've played a certain type of football pretty consistently throughout their history. Years ago, that type of football was acceptable in the big teams, so their young players could make those squads. Nowadays, a team like Chelsea does not play the football that is taught to young English players, so they have no use for English. They go abroad.
Basically, Italy has to focus on making more Berardis and El Shaarawys (who is closer to a Spanish or Dutch player) and less Pirlos (in terms of playing style, obviously prime Pirlo could play anywhere) and Destro types.
There are supremely talented players like Juan Mata, who right now, can't get into any big team because he is too slow or does not have the north-south work rate that these teams covet. Juan Mata!
If you look at all of Italy's "talents" that have burst onto the scene (and some have gone into big teams abroad) you see players like Cerci, Candreva, El Shaarawy, Immobile, Florenzi. Common theme is pace and work rate. Even Giaccherini could go to the EPL because of pace and work rate.
These players are not world class but they get chances with teams because they don't hurt the team with a lack of running ability.
All 11 players must run nowadays. The striker can't just stand up top and wait for a ball, for example. He has to press. Italy is making Destros, players who focus on off-ball movement when you have possession but do nothing for the team otherwise. That's a player that was effective 10 years ago but not today.
Nonsense? 
The only nonsense I read here is your statements like the one above. All you do is spreading empty words with no sense at all. Who will build those centers? Who will build those stadiums? The government? How? The Euro socialism is killing Italian's economy and you want the government to invest heavily in calcio? As things stand small clubs can't afford building stadiums and training centers. Cutting off two the weakest teams will help definitely; The level of the league will rise and teams participating in Europe will be able to handle EL and CL in a much better way. If they keep proceeding further they'll earn more money and gain appeal very much needed these days. They will win better TV deals for the league as well.
As for smaller clubs: those have to invest in youth and sell those players later for profit. With the profit they'll finally gain stable financiall situation and will be able to save up some money for training centers and stadiums. They have to do it all on their own instead of looking at the government and complaining about the state of calcio.
The 'new sponsors and investors' is another empty statement. Who is supposed to look for them? Who will come to Serie A and invest heavily in a declining league with shitty law limiting the calcio to its limits. It's all empty words but in fact investors go elsewhere and there are reasons for that.
The only nonsense I read here is your statements like the one above. All you do is spreading empty words with no sense at all. Who will build those centers? Who will build those stadiums? The government? How? The Euro socialism is killing Italian's economy and you want the government to invest heavily in calcio? As things stand small clubs can't afford building stadiums and training centers. Cutting off two the weakest teams will help definitely; The level of the league will rise and teams participating in Europe will be able to handle EL and CL in a much better way. If they keep proceeding further they'll earn more money and gain appeal very much needed these days. They will win better TV deals for the league as well.As for smaller clubs: those have to invest in youth and sell those players later for profit. With the profit they'll finally gain stable financiall situation and will be able to save up some money for training centers and stadiums. They have to do it all on their own instead of looking at the government and complaining about the state of calcio.
The 'new sponsors and investors' is another empty statement. Who is supposed to look for them? Who will come to Serie A and invest heavily in a declining league with shitty law limiting the calcio to its limits. It's all empty words but in fact investors go elsewhere and there are reasons for that.
Nonsense? The only nonsense I read here is your statements like the one above. All you do is spreading empty words with no sense at all. Who will build those centers? Who will build those stadiums? The government? How? The Euro socialism is killing Italian's economy and you want the government to invest heavily in calcio? As things stand small clubs can't afford building stadiums and training centers. Cutting off two the weakest teams will help definitely; The level of the league will rise and teams participating in Europe will be able to handle EL and CL in a much better way. If they keep proceeding further they'll earn more money and gain appeal very much needed these days. They will win better TV deals for the league as well.
As for smaller clubs: those have to invest in youth and sell those players later for profit. With the profit they'll finally gain stable financiall situation and will be able to save up some money for training centers and stadiums. They have to do it all on their own instead of looking at the government and complaining about the state of calcio.
The 'new sponsors and investors' is another empty statement. Who is supposed to look for them? Who will come to Serie A and invest heavily in a declining league with shitty law limiting the calcio to its limits. It's all empty words but in fact investors go elsewhere and there are reasons for that.
The only nonsense I read here is your statements like the one above. All you do is spreading empty words with no sense at all. Who will build those centers? Who will build those stadiums? The government? How? The Euro socialism is killing Italian's economy and you want the government to invest heavily in calcio? As things stand small clubs can't afford building stadiums and training centers. Cutting off two the weakest teams will help definitely; The level of the league will rise and teams participating in Europe will be able to handle EL and CL in a much better way. If they keep proceeding further they'll earn more money and gain appeal very much needed these days. They will win better TV deals for the league as well.As for smaller clubs: those have to invest in youth and sell those players later for profit. With the profit they'll finally gain stable financiall situation and will be able to save up some money for training centers and stadiums. They have to do it all on their own instead of looking at the government and complaining about the state of calcio.
The 'new sponsors and investors' is another empty statement. Who is supposed to look for them? Who will come to Serie A and invest heavily in a declining league with shitty law limiting the calcio to its limits. It's all empty words but in fact investors go elsewhere and there are reasons for that.
your whole post is just 1 big fail
Ofc government should help teams to build new stadiums, not with money, but with reduction of bureaucracy, teams are forced to spend days after days to strike a deal with local municipality to get ground at their disposal to build club centre; then government can force local municipality to sell for cheap price stadiums to clubs and clubs then can find investors to rebuild the stadiums and then payback to municipality because this is what we have now:
Atalanta's stadium owner - Municipality of Bergamo
Cagliari's stadium owner - Municipality of Cagliari
Cesena's stadium owner - Municipality of Cesena
Chievo/Verona's stadium owner - Municipality of Verona
Empoli's stadium owner - Municipality of Empoli
Fiorentina's stadium owner - Municipality of Florence
Also Genoa/Sampdoria, Lazio/Roma, Napoli, Inter/Milan, Palermo, Parma, Torino they all have to pay to play on their stadiums, this is what stopping the progress of italian football, not the fucking number of clubs in the serie a, only Juventus, Sassuolo and Udinese are the owners of their own stadiums, 3 out of 20 teams, it's a shame and you telling me that government can't help? And if club like Fiorentina would have all the rights on their stadium they couldn't find an investor?! Investment in the new stadiums are always paying off, Juventus stadium for example
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your whole post is just 1 big fail
Ofc government should help teams to build new stadiums, not with money, but with reduction of bureaucracy, teams are forced to spend days after days to strike a deal with local municipality to get ground at their disposal to build club centre; then government can force local municipality to sell for cheap price stadiums to clubs and clubs then can find investors to rebuild the stadiums and then payback to municipality because this is what we have now:
Atalanta's stadium owner - Municipality of Bergamo
Cagliari's stadium owner - Municipality of Cagliari
Cesena's stadium owner - Municipality of Cesena
Chievo/Verona's stadium owner - Municipality of Verona
Empoli's stadium owner - Municipality of Empoli
Fiorentina's stadium owner - Municipality of Florence
Also Genoa/Sampdoria, Lazio/Roma, Napoli, Inter/Milan, Palermo, Parma, Torino they all have to pay to play on their stadiums, this is what stopping the progress of italian football, not the $#@!ing number of clubs in the serie a, only Juventus, Sassuolo and Udinese are the owners of their own stadiums, 3 out of 20 teams, it's a shame and you telling me that government can't help? And if club like Fiorentina would have all the rights on their stadium they couldn't find an investor?! Investment in the new stadiums are always paying off, Juventus stadium for example
Dude I'm all for reducing bureaucracy but not the way you propose it. I know you guys do it whatever way you like in your country but it's not like that everywhere. What does 'government can force local municipality to sell for cheap price stadiums to club' mean? It's complete bullshit yet you laugh off my posts. Why would anyone sell something for cheap? I know it's a common practice in Russia (in Poland unfortunately too) but that's not the way definitely. As for investors I already said that: most clubs won't find investors. It's not that easy dude. It's not easy at all to find a wealthy man/company that will decide to spend money on a stadium in Parma/Bergamo/Verona and even Firenze. Clubs like Juventus, Roma and Milan have chances for that but not the smaller ones. And one exception that could happen won't change too much.
I never said that number of teams is the biggest problem in Italy. Besides stadiums aren't one neither. In fact it's the training system, just like @MikeM said Italy doesn't produce players suited to modern game. Then come the stadiums and later on the rest.
Anyway the clubs have to build those stadiums on their own. The government can only reduce the amount of paperwork to do for the clubs willing to build their stadiums but that's just it. Smaller clubs have to follow Udinese's example: create young superstars and sell them for profit. This way they become stable financially and can build their training centers and stadiums.
Reducing the number of teams is not a crucial change that's needed but for the moment it would definitely help. Clubs participating in European competitions have to start performing and they better hurry up.
I don't think the 4 Italian rule will hurt Serie A. It will help the Italy NT though.
Juventus, AC Milan, and Roma already play with 4 or more Italians. The big teams already have a mix. Bar Inter. Napoli and Fiorentina would have to do field a couple more, but it wouldn't be so bad.
This rule would however force teams like Udinese, etc. to field more Italians. Maybe produce more Italian talent.
The reason why there's not many Italian talents is because they simply don't get playing time. There's an obsession with South American players and trying to find the next Neymar.
I think 4 Italians per team is fair. That leaves 7 spots open for a team to find an "international superstar".
Juventus, AC Milan, and Roma already play with 4 or more Italians. The big teams already have a mix. Bar Inter. Napoli and Fiorentina would have to do field a couple more, but it wouldn't be so bad.
This rule would however force teams like Udinese, etc. to field more Italians. Maybe produce more Italian talent.
The reason why there's not many Italian talents is because they simply don't get playing time. There's an obsession with South American players and trying to find the next Neymar.
I think 4 Italians per team is fair. That leaves 7 spots open for a team to find an "international superstar".
So,
- They play Italians today because those Italians are good enough but those guys could easily be replaced if other players were found. Whatever the case may be, they have the option to do whatever they want.
-Why is it important to produce Italian talent? These teams are running a business, not some factory for the Italian NT.
-Maybe there is an obsession with South American talent because they are better and produce better talents and the chances are bigger that you find a good player over there?
- They play Italians today because those Italians are good enough but those guys could easily be replaced if other players were found. Whatever the case may be, they have the option to do whatever they want.
-Why is it important to produce Italian talent? These teams are running a business, not some factory for the Italian NT.
-Maybe there is an obsession with South American talent because they are better and produce better talents and the chances are bigger that you find a good player over there?
Typical retarded oldfart decision this is really.
A player like Verratti, isnt an exceptional talent, especially not when compared to what creative players the azzurri has had before. Yet he could have gone to the italian topteam of his choise aged 18.
Why ? Cause he got talent. The current batches of italian youth doesnt, ergo serie a doesnt bother with them.
If they want talent, invest in what happens with the players between age 8 and 18.
A player like Verratti, isnt an exceptional talent, especially not when compared to what creative players the azzurri has had before. Yet he could have gone to the italian topteam of his choise aged 18.
Why ? Cause he got talent. The current batches of italian youth doesnt, ergo serie a doesnt bother with them.
If they want talent, invest in what happens with the players between age 8 and 18.