[ITA] Serie A 2012/2013 (55 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

You ignored their results in Europe and their squad. You came up with a random assumption about Seria A and Bundesliga. Basicly you are downgrading or ignoring any achievement BVB has while not providing any reason why Napoli would be better or even equal. The only ways to compare teams in different leagues are:

- their results in Europe - BVB blows napoli away here
- their recent domestic success - BVB wins again with 2 titles, even if you think that Serie A>Bundesliga it still is a great achievement to beat Bayern Munich twice in row. Both teams won their national Cups.
- their squad - While Napoli have world class players in Hamsik and Cavani, BVB has Goetze, Reus, Subotic, Hummels, Lewandowski, Sahin, Gundogan. Even if we assume that Hamsik and Cavani are the best of them all, BVB overall group is better.
- their coach - well this one is not even worth talking about

Everything speaks for BVB here even though I'm sure you will still argue all of them.

And even if we assume that you are right about everything and those teams are indeed equal, why would Lewandowski want to go there then? He obviously wants bigger team since he is not signing a new contract with BVB. If napoli is equal, Lewa will not even look at them.

Seriously RUS why are you so obsessed with winning every argument? Give it up and chill out for once.

"- their results in Europe - BVB blows napoli away here"
Nigga what?! First time BVB has left EU League 10/11 in the group stage when they finished on 3rd place, next year BVB finished on the last place in their group in CL while Napoli finished on the 2nd place and lost in round of 16 to the future champions, so let's wait for the next CL and we will see where they will finish in their 2nd run there.

"- their recent domestic success - BVB wins again with 2 titles, even if you think that Serie A>Bundesliga it still is a great achievement to beat Bayern Munich twice in row. Both teams won their national Cups."
yes, complimenti to BVB for trashing Bayern for the 2 seasons in a row, but they are fighting ONLY against Bayern, Bayern whom fighting on the both arenas - bundesliga and european, while BVB crashed out from EU League at their first champion season and from CL in the 2nd one, so in both seasons they had a chance to focus on bundesliga only, like we did in the past season, and all the praise is goes to Klopp and their scouts, on the other hand Napoli is fighting against atleast 3-4 teams for Scudetto and against 5-6 teams for CL spot! And even in current season 3rd team is -8 points away from BVB, plus BVB has focused on CL football and what happened next? they are falling behind by 20 points from Bayern!

"- their squad - While Napoli have world class players in Hamsik and Cavani, BVB has Goetze, Reus, Subotic, Hummels, Lewandowski, Sahin, Gundogan. Even if we assume that Hamsik and Cavani are the best of them all, BVB overall group is better."

Cavani > Lewandowski
Hamsik > Gotze
Inler = Sahin
Cannavaro < Hummels
Subotic had only 1 good season, but now he became absolutely mediocre defender
Like i've said already i found their squads equal to each other with its pluses and minuses

"- their coach - well this one is not even worth talking about"
I think that Klopp is better coach too


Lewandowski's salary now is 1.5m per season, so you telling me that if Napoli will agree to pay him 4.5m per season he'll say no?! it only could happen if Chelsea or MU are going to really sign him because of course he'll choose them over Napoli
@radekas

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Hamsik > Gotze are you serious?

and reus?

dortmund's defensive unit is far superior to napoli's which is frankly very mediocre, when you have the likes paolo cannavaro and campagnaro up against hummels, subotic or even santana, there is simply no contest who wins in that department.

inler is not even world class, unfortunately for you that is the simple fact, he is good but better than sahin? well if inler is world class would you say he is better than schweinsteiger? and before you say it i know they are different types of midfielders but if you're going to compare sahin to inler then i'm going to compare the gulf in class and quality between schweiny and inler.

 

[Dadi-SK]

Hamsik > Gotze are you serious?

and reus?

dortmund's defensive unit is far superior to napoli's which is frankly very mediocre, when you have the likes paolo cannavaro and campagnaro up against hummels, subotic or even santana, there is simply no contest who wins in that department.

inler is not even world class, unfortunately for you that is the simple fact, he is good but better than sahin? well if inler is world class would you say he is better than schweinsteiger? and before you say it i know they are different types of midfielders but if you're going to compare sahin to inler then i'm going to compare the gulf in class and quality between schweiny and inler.

Are you serious that Sahin is better than Inler? Hope you're just trolling the Russian.

 

[Vlad]

Are you serious that Sahin is better than Inler? Hope you're just trolling the Russian.

No way that Sahin is better than Inler.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Hamsik > Gotze are you serious?

and reus?

dortmund's defensive unit is far superior to napoli's which is frankly very mediocre, when you have the likes paolo cannavaro and campagnaro up against hummels, subotic or even santana, there is simply no contest who wins in that department.

inler is not even world class, unfortunately for you that is the simple fact, he is good but better than sahin? well if inler is world class would you say he is better than schweinsteiger? and before you say it i know they are different types of midfielders but if you're going to compare sahin to inler then i'm going to compare the gulf in class and quality between schweiny and inler.

Hamsik > Gotze anyday of the week, but Gotze is too young yet, who knows what will happen with him in the next 2-3 seasons, he could overcome Hamsik in the future, but current today - Marek <3

Santana Cannavaro, Campagnaro both are 10 time better than him!
Sahin has failed in Real Madrid, failed in Liverpool, so how come that such an amazing world class played failed in 2 big teams, he even looking dreadful in BVB atm, while Inler is playing better and better year after year. Once again you are saying stupid shit, what the fuck Schweinsteiger is doing in the discussion about Napoli and BVB and their players?!

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Are you serious that Sahin is better than Inler? Hope you're just trolling the Russian.

No,no, he is football guru 99999 lvl

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Are you serious that Sahin is better than Inler? Hope you're just trolling the Russian.

not at all, if anything it is RUS that is suggesting that because he said in an earlier post that inler is world class, then later inler = sahin

my point is that inler is not world class

 

[Vlad]

not at all, if anything it is RUS that is suggesting that because he said in an earlier post that inler is world class, then later inler = sahin

my point is that inler is not world class

Neither of them is WC. They are both good players but Inler has something more.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Nah, Inler is very good, he can easily play for us, Real, MU and other grand clubs

 

[Tommy]

Inler is baws.

 

[Vlad]

Nah, Inler is very good, he can easily play for us, Real, MU and other grand clubs

In RM an Juve the most he could do is warm up the bench. In Manchester though he could be a starter as they lack quality in mid.
Anyway what was the initial discussion about?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Stats from domestic championship:
Inler
Tackles per game - 2.4
Interceptions - 1.1
Clearances - 1.5
Goals - 5
Assists - 2
Shots - 1.8
Key passes - 0.9
Avg. passes - 49.3
Pass success - 85%
Accurate long balls per game - 6.4

Schweinsteiger
Tackles per game - 2.7
Interceptions - 1.2
Clearances - 0.6
Goals - 7
Assists - 3
Shots - 1.5
Key passes - 0.8
Avg. passes - 72.2
Pass success - 87.3%
Accurate long balls per game - 8.7

 

[radekas]

"- their results in Europe - BVB blows napoli away here"
Nigga what?! First time BVB has left EU League 10/11 in the group stage when they finished on 3rd place, next year BVB finished on the last place in their group in CL while Napoli finished on the 2nd place and lost in round of 16 to the future champions, so let's wait for the next CL and we will see where they will finish in their 2nd run there.

Indeed last year Napoli had more success in Europe but we are talking about who is better RIGHT NOW. And this season their results are not even comparable. Really losing in 1/32 of Europa League against Viktoria Plzen is disgraceful for any Italian team. Lewandowski changing teams from a CL semifinalist to Napoli would make no sense for him.

"- their recent domestic success - BVB wins again with 2 titles, even if you think that Serie A>Bundesliga it still is a great achievement to beat Bayern Munich twice in row. Both teams won their national Cups."
yes, complimenti to BVB for trashing Bayern for the 2 seasons in a row, but they are fighting ONLY against Bayern, Bayern whom fighting on the both arenas - bundesliga and european, while BVB crashed out from EU League at their first champion season and from CL in the 2nd one, so in both seasons they had a chance to focus on bundesliga only, like we did in the past season, and all the praise is goes to Klopp and their scouts, on the other hand Napoli is fighting against atleast 3-4 teams for Scudetto and against 5-6 teams for CL spot! And even in current season 3rd team is -8 points away from BVB, plus BVB has focused on CL football and what happened next? they are falling behind by 20 points from Bayern!

Napoli isn't even contesting for Scudetto. They were miles behind us last year and they are miles behind us again this season. Even if we consider napoli to have more equal teams to fight with, it's still a much worse result. No matter how we look at it Napoli was 5th last season is fighting for a CL spot this year. Adding the fact that Napoli was out of Europe fast this year while BVB is still there bring the balance towards Germans this year.

"- their squad - While Napoli have world class players in Hamsik and Cavani, BVB has Goetze, Reus, Subotic, Hummels, Lewandowski, Sahin, Gundogan. Even if we assume that Hamsik and Cavani are the best of them all, BVB overall group is better."

Cavani > Lewandowski
Hamsik > Gotze
Inler = Sahin
Cannavaro < Hummels
Subotic had only 1 good season, but now he became absolutely mediocre defender
Like i've said already i found their squads equal to each other with its pluses and minuses

Hamsik and Gotze are both equal world class players. Cavani is betterr. Inler and Sahin are both ok. Hummels is one of the very best and no defender in Napoli has anything on him. Subotic and Cannavaro are more or less equal. Then of course there are other players in BVB like Reus, Gundogan, Piszczek, Schmelzer, Bender, Blaszczykowski while Napoli can add Maggio, Pandev and Behrami. The overall depth of BVB squad is better. Most of their guys are also below 25 years old and still improving. All in all they have 6 players in German national team while Napoli has only Maggio and De Sanctis on the bench in the Italian team. Like I said the overall depth is the key.

Lewandowski's salary now is 1.5m per season, so you telling me that if Napoli will agree to pay him 4.5m per season he'll say no?! it only could happen if Chelsea or MU are going to really sign him because of course he'll choose them over Napoli

Yes he will indeed say no, because of several reasons:

1. He wants to join a bigger club and fight for CL.
2. 4,5m is something BVB can also pay him if they want.
3. There will be other clubs chasing him and offering him more then 4,5m. Hell, even Juventus could easly offer him that and he would obviously prefer Juventus over Napoli.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

In RM an Juve the most he could do is warm up the bench. In Manchester though he could be a starter as they lack quality in mid.
Anyway what was the initial discussion about?

Time of Xabi Alonso and Pirlo is running out, he can easily be replace Xabi in Real M, but he can't replace Pirlo in our current formation cause he is not deeplying midfielder, he is central midfielder, but as CM he can easily be in the first 11 in Juve

 

[radekas]

In RM an Juve the most he could do is warm up the bench. In Manchester though he could be a starter as they lack quality in mid.
Anyway what was the initial discussion about?

Started with RUS claiming that Lewandowski would like to join Napoli from BVB. From there it went to Napoli being bigger/equal club to BVB.

 

[Vlad]

Started with RUS claiming that Lewandowski would like to join Napoli from BVB. From there it went to Napoli being bigger/equal club to BVB.

BVB is clearly bigger club no doubt about that. It's foolish to claim otherwise. Just look at their trophy cabinet. And for Lewa joining Napoli it could happen only if they offer him some mad paper. There is no other way he would join them.

 

[radekas]

Well if Napoli offers him Aguero money then I could see him joining.

In other words it will never happen.

 

[Vlad]

Well if Napoli offers him Aguero money then I could see him joining.

In other words it will never happen.

Exactly.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Indeed last year Napoli had more success in Europe but we are talking about who is better RIGHT NOW. And this season their results are not even comparable. Really losing in 1/32 of Europa League against Viktoria Plzen is disgraceful for any Italian team. Lewandowski changing teams from a CL semifinalist to Napoli would make no sense for him.



Napoli isn't even contesting for Scudetto. They were miles behind us last year and they are miles behind us again this season. Even if we consider napoli to have more equal teams to fight with, it's still a much worse result. No matter how we look at it Napoli was 5th last season is fighting for a CL spot this year. Adding the fact that Napoli was out of Europe fast this year while BVB is still there bring the balance towards Germans this year.



Hamsik and Gotze are both equal world class players. Cavani is betterr. Inler and Sahin are both ok. Hummels is one of the very best and no defender in Napoli has anything on him. Subotic and Cannavaro are more or less equal. Then of course there are other players in BVB like Reus, Gundogan, Piszczek, Schmelzer, Bender, Blaszczykowski while Napoli can add Maggio, Pandev and Behrami. The overall depth of BVB squad is better. Most of their guys are also below 25 years old and still improving. All in all they have 6 players in German national team while Napoli has only Maggio and De Sanctis on the bench in the Italian team. Like I said the overall depth is the key.




Yes he will indeed say no, because of several reasons:

1. He wants to join a bigger club and fight for CL.
2. 4,5m is something BVB can also pay him if they want.
3. There will be other clubs chasing him and offering him more then 4,5m. Hell, even Juventus could easly offer him that and he would obviously prefer Juventus over Napoli.

BVB is no way better team right now, they are equal. So Chelsea were better team than Juve in the last season because they won CL right?? What a stupid logic, BVB were shit against Malaga and they deserved nothing after 2nd leg, they just were lucky with the referees, that's it. Napoli loss to Plzen is hard to swallow for them but they don't have depth of their squad to play on the both arenas so they made the choice and focused on Serie A and they definitely will clinch CL spot in current season, so what's better - to go to 1/8, 1/4 or even semi-finals of EU league, or throw everything to fight for scudetto and for CL spot for the next season?! I think it's pretty obvious that CL spot is much better thing, only if your nickname is not starting from "badass_" shit of course.

Napoli is not contesting for Scudetto?! What a stupid shit to say Should i remind you that we can't even beat them for the last 13 years at their home stadium?

Hamsik is better player, it's not even contest, he has better vision, better passing, better finishing, but like i've said Gotze is growing up, he is only 20 years old, no reason to compare them atm. Inler and Sahin are both ok? Oh, and yes, just because they have 6 players from bundesteam their depth is better Do you know that whenever their wingers are injured they in trouble?

No, they can't pay 4.5 for him, that's why they refused to renew his contract, he is asking too many dollars!

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BVB is clearly bigger club no doubt about that. It's foolish to claim otherwise. Just look at their trophy cabinet. And for Lewa joining Napoli it could happen only if they offer him some mad paper. There is no other way he would join them.

Probably you are too blind to check my posts, it's exactly what i've said

 

[radekas]

BVB is no way better team right now, they are equal. So Chelsea were better team than Juve in the last season because they won CL right?? What a stupid logic, BVB were shit against Malaga and they deserved nothing after 2nd leg, they just were lucky with the referees, that's it. Napoli loss to Plzen is hard to swallow for them but they don't have depth of squad to play on the both arenas so they made the choice and focused on Serie A and they definitely will clinch CL spot in current season, so what's better - to go to 1/8, 1/4 or even semi-finals of EU league, or throw everything to fight for scudetto and for CL spot for the next season?! I think it's pretty obvious that CL spot is much better thing, only if your nickname is not starting from "badass_" shit of course.

Uhh you have just agreed that they are worse. They are focusing on Serie A and aren't even close to winning it while failing in a weak Europa League against a marginal team. BVB is in the same position in their league while also playing in the semis of CL. Saying that it was lucky is just ignoring their achievement. It's not even true cause both teams scored offside goals in the 2nd game. They have also beat Shakhtar easly in quarters which says a lot if you remember our games against them. Really there's nothing to compare as far as Europe goes.

Napoli is not contesting for Scudetto?! What a stupid shit to say Should i remind you that we can't even beat them for the last 13 years at their home stadium?

What does that have to do with contesting for Scudetto? They are 11 points behind us... while focusing on Serie A alone like you said earlier. They are fighting for the 2nd spot right now and even their players are admitting it.

Hamsik is better player, it's not even contest, he has better vision, better passing, better finishing, but like i've said Gotze is growing up, he is only 20 years old, no reason to compare them atm. Inler and Sahin are both ok? Oh, yes, just because they have 6 players from bundesteam their depth is better

You've even said it above that they don't have depth to fight on 2 fronts. While BVB obviously does. Guess who has the better depth... As for Hamsik and Gotze it's a matter of preference. I would take Gotze if I had to chose.

No, they can't pay 4.5 for him, that's why they refused to renew his contract, he is asking too many dollars!

They are offering him 3,5mln. They paid Gotze 4,8mln. If they wanted to pay 4,5 they could easly do it. And still that doesn't change the fact that other clubs will and that Lewandowski won't join a lesser or equal club. There is simply no way for him to join Napoli. He would rather stay in BVB and sign anywhere for free the next year.

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Probably you are too blind to check my posts, it's exactly what i've said

4,5 mln is not what DelPiero84 meant. He means like 13mln. Napoli can only offer that if they are sold to some kebab.

 

[Vlad]

Probably you are too blind to check my posts, it's exactly what i've said

No, just lazy.

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4,5 mln is not what DelPiero84 meant. He means like 13mln. Napoli can only offer that if they are sold to some kebab.

Something like that.