[ITA] Serie A 2012/2013 (36 Viewers)
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"Uhh you have just agreed that they are worse. They are focusing on Serie A and aren't even close to winning it while failing in a weak Europa League against a marginal team. BVB is in the same position in their league while also playing in the semis of CL. Saying that it was lucky is just ignoring their achievement. It's not even true cause both teams scored offside goals in the 2nd game. They have also beat Shakhtar easly in quarters which says a lot if you remember our games against them. Really there's nothing to compare as far as Europe goes."
No, didn't. The score was 1-1 and Malaga has scored not needed goal, while BVB has scored the winner, feel the difference. So Bvb never failed in europe ? They (as the bundesliga winners) are finished LAST in the group with Marseille and Olympiacos with just 1 win and 4 points only, but you will say that it's not the fail, don't you? Double standarts
"What does that have to do with contesting for Scudetto? They are 11 points behind us... while focusing on Serie A alone like you said earlier. They are fighting for the 2nd spot right now and even their players are admitting it. "
So what?It's only showing that Juventus is superior team to them, nothing more, nothing less, and yet 2nd part of their objective on the season is almost done - 2nd place and CL spot. And where did i said that since they threw everything on Serie A then they will definitely win it?! Serie A takes too much effort, even against outsiders, so who need EU league when you have to face Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Roma, Fiorentina, Inter and even Udinese to win scudetto or to finish in CL zone?!
"You've even said it above that they don't have depth to fight on 2 fronts. While BVB obviously does. Guess who has the better depth... As for Hamsik and Gotze it's a matter of preference. I would take Gotze if I had to chose."
Yes, they can't and it's obvious cause there is no adequate replacement for Cavani, Hamsik, Inler, Cannavaro, Maggio. But they same shit is with the BVB squad - Kuba, Schmelzer, Piszczek, Hummels, Lewandowski are irreplaceable players.
"They are offering him 3,5mln. They paid Gotze 4,8mln. If they wanted to pay 4,5 they could easly do it. And still that doesn't change the fact that other clubs will and that Lewandowski won't join a lesser or equal club. There is simply no way for him to join Napoli. He would rather stay in BVB and sign anywhere for free the next year."
Will see, nothing to discuss here.
No, didn't. The score was 1-1 and Malaga has scored not needed goal, while BVB has scored the winner, feel the difference. So Bvb never failed in europe ? They (as the bundesliga winners) are finished LAST in the group with Marseille and Olympiacos with just 1 win and 4 points only, but you will say that it's not the fail, don't you? Double standarts
"What does that have to do with contesting for Scudetto? They are 11 points behind us... while focusing on Serie A alone like you said earlier. They are fighting for the 2nd spot right now and even their players are admitting it. "
So what?It's only showing that Juventus is superior team to them, nothing more, nothing less, and yet 2nd part of their objective on the season is almost done - 2nd place and CL spot. And where did i said that since they threw everything on Serie A then they will definitely win it?! Serie A takes too much effort, even against outsiders, so who need EU league when you have to face Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Roma, Fiorentina, Inter and even Udinese to win scudetto or to finish in CL zone?!
"You've even said it above that they don't have depth to fight on 2 fronts. While BVB obviously does. Guess who has the better depth... As for Hamsik and Gotze it's a matter of preference. I would take Gotze if I had to chose."
Yes, they can't and it's obvious cause there is no adequate replacement for Cavani, Hamsik, Inler, Cannavaro, Maggio. But they same shit is with the BVB squad - Kuba, Schmelzer, Piszczek, Hummels, Lewandowski are irreplaceable players.
"They are offering him 3,5mln. They paid Gotze 4,8mln. If they wanted to pay 4,5 they could easly do it. And still that doesn't change the fact that other clubs will and that Lewandowski won't join a lesser or equal club. There is simply no way for him to join Napoli. He would rather stay in BVB and sign anywhere for free the next year."
Will see, nothing to discuss here.
Juventino[RUS];4134293 said:
No I didn't. The score was 1-1 and Malaga has scored not needed goal, while BVB has scored the winner, feel the difference. So Bvb never failed in europe ? They (as the bundesliga winners) are finished LAST in the group with Marseille and Olympiacos with just 1 win and 4 points only, but you will say that it's not the fail, don't you? Double standarts
BVB - at least semi-final this year and 4th place in CL group last year
Napoli - 1/32 EL this year, and 1/8 of CL last year
I would easly take BVB achievements.
You said that they are contesting for Scudetto, that's what. They are obviously not even close to Juventus, just like any other team in Italy so no, they are not contesting for Scudetto. Unless you consider all of the teams in Serie A to be contesting for it, including Pescara. Same thing with BVB. They aren't contesting for Bundesliga this year.
And unlike Napoli, BVB guys can compete on 2 fronts. That's because Napoli successes are dependent on Cavani and Hamsik while BVB has great overall depth and if one of their stars is out or playing shit others can win games for them. Napoli can't win without Cavani and Hamsik. That's the depth I'm talking about and that what makes their squad better even though it can be said that Hamsik and Cavani are the best players of both teams.
That's also why Napoli won't spend shitloads on Cavani replacement. They will add several players to improve their depth. This way they will be able to compete on 2 fronts next time.
"We are talking this year. Right now. Present times. BVB is shitting all over Napoli this year in Europe... And if you really want to include last year too we would have like
BVB - at least semi-final this year and 4th place in CL group last year
Napoli - 1/32 EL this year, and 1/8 of CL last year
I would easly take BVB achievements."
Napoli - 1/32 EU 10/11, 1/16 CL 11/12, 1/32 EU 12/13
BVB - group stage EU 10/11, group stage CL 11/12, semi-final CL 12/13
"You said that they are contesting for Scudetto, that's what. They are obviously not even close to Juventus, just like any other team in Italy so no, they are not contesting for Scudetto. Unless you consider all of the teams in Serie A to be contesting for it, including Pescara. Same thing with BVB. They aren't contesting for Bundesliga this year."
On today?! Of course not, it's 11 points gap between us, it's almost impossible for them to catch us, but in the beggining of the season and even in the winter period they were close to us, but fortunately we avoided to drop more points and didn't lose to them at san paolo stadium.
"And unlike Napoli, BVB guys can compete on 2 fronts. That's because Napoli successes are dependent on Cavani and Hamsik while BVB has great overall depth and if one of their stars is out or playing shit others can win games for them. Napoli can't win without Cavani and Hamsik. That's the depth I'm talking about and that what makes their squad better even though it can be said that Hamsik and Cavani are the best players of both teams.
That's also why Napoli won't spend shitloads on Cavani replacement. They will add several players to improve their depth. This way they will be able to compete on 2 fronts next time."
BVB can comptee on 2 fronts :lol : I see that you've missed my whole article about BVB and their early departure from the EU/CL 2 season in a row which lead them to the 1st place in the domestic league, nothing to talk about anymore since you read my posts through the text.
Speaking of squad depth, I'll left it here:
Cavani (Calaio)
Pandev (Insigne) - Hamsik (?)
Armero (Zuniga) - Inler (Dzemaili) - Behrami (Donadel) - Maggio (Mesto)
Campagnaro (Rolando) - Britos (Gamberini) - Cannavaro (Grava)
Lewandowski (Schieber)
Reus (Grosskruetz) - Gotze (Reus) - Kuba (Gotze)
Bender (Kehl, Leitner) - Gundogan (Sahin)
Schmelzer (?) - Hummels (Santana) - Subotic (?) - Piszczek (Bender)
BVB - at least semi-final this year and 4th place in CL group last year
Napoli - 1/32 EL this year, and 1/8 of CL last year
I would easly take BVB achievements."
Napoli - 1/32 EU 10/11, 1/16 CL 11/12, 1/32 EU 12/13
BVB - group stage EU 10/11, group stage CL 11/12, semi-final CL 12/13
"You said that they are contesting for Scudetto, that's what. They are obviously not even close to Juventus, just like any other team in Italy so no, they are not contesting for Scudetto. Unless you consider all of the teams in Serie A to be contesting for it, including Pescara. Same thing with BVB. They aren't contesting for Bundesliga this year."
On today?! Of course not, it's 11 points gap between us, it's almost impossible for them to catch us, but in the beggining of the season and even in the winter period they were close to us, but fortunately we avoided to drop more points and didn't lose to them at san paolo stadium.
"And unlike Napoli, BVB guys can compete on 2 fronts. That's because Napoli successes are dependent on Cavani and Hamsik while BVB has great overall depth and if one of their stars is out or playing shit others can win games for them. Napoli can't win without Cavani and Hamsik. That's the depth I'm talking about and that what makes their squad better even though it can be said that Hamsik and Cavani are the best players of both teams.
That's also why Napoli won't spend shitloads on Cavani replacement. They will add several players to improve their depth. This way they will be able to compete on 2 fronts next time."
BVB can comptee on 2 fronts :lol : I see that you've missed my whole article about BVB and their early departure from the EU/CL 2 season in a row which lead them to the 1st place in the domestic league, nothing to talk about anymore since you read my posts through the text.
Speaking of squad depth, I'll left it here:
Cavani (Calaio)
Pandev (Insigne) - Hamsik (?)
Armero (Zuniga) - Inler (Dzemaili) - Behrami (Donadel) - Maggio (Mesto)
Campagnaro (Rolando) - Britos (Gamberini) - Cannavaro (Grava)
Lewandowski (Schieber)
Reus (Grosskruetz) - Gotze (Reus) - Kuba (Gotze)
Bender (Kehl, Leitner) - Gundogan (Sahin)
Schmelzer (?) - Hummels (Santana) - Subotic (?) - Piszczek (Bender)
Napoli - 1/32 EU 10/11, 1/16 CL 11/12, 1/32 EU 12/13 nothing 1997
BVB - group stage EU 10/11, group stage CL 11/12, semi-final CL 12/13, CL WIN 1997 WOOOOHOOOO
Seriously let's move even more. Moving 1 year back is somehow ok but 2 years when we are comparing who is a better team right now? Sigh. Juventus was miles behind Napoli 2 years ago while we are miles ahead right now. Just like us, BVB is improving with every year while their young players learn. From EU group stage to CL semis in 3 years. Not bad.
Exactly and that's what I meant. They were only close in January when we started dropping points but as soon as we got our shit together they got left miles behind. They never had a real chance to win this unless we screwed up. They are not an equal team, therefore they have never been a real competition for Scudetto. Just like any other team in Italy.
TODAY. THIS YEAR. Jesus. What BVB did 2 seasons in row before has absolutely nothing to do with their current strength... This year BVB is competing on 2 fronts while Napoli has failed badly. Stop stretching to the past. We are talking about their current situation.
You must be the only person on this forum who would rather have Napoli squad.
BVB - group stage EU 10/11, group stage CL 11/12, semi-final CL 12/13, CL WIN 1997 WOOOOHOOOO
Seriously let's move even more. Moving 1 year back is somehow ok but 2 years when we are comparing who is a better team right now? Sigh. Juventus was miles behind Napoli 2 years ago while we are miles ahead right now. Just like us, BVB is improving with every year while their young players learn. From EU group stage to CL semis in 3 years. Not bad.
Exactly and that's what I meant. They were only close in January when we started dropping points but as soon as we got our shit together they got left miles behind. They never had a real chance to win this unless we screwed up. They are not an equal team, therefore they have never been a real competition for Scudetto. Just like any other team in Italy.
TODAY. THIS YEAR. Jesus. What BVB did 2 seasons in row before has absolutely nothing to do with their current strength... This year BVB is competing on 2 fronts while Napoli has failed badly. Stop stretching to the past. We are talking about their current situation.
You must be the only person on this forum who would rather have Napoli squad.
To be honest right now Dortmund would beat napoli over 2 legs, but when you consider 2 years or even last year probably napoli could win, in that time dortmund players were quite inexperienced in europe but they improved now, but it would be a tough battle between napoli and dortmund, but in edge for dortmund I guess.
Juventino[RUS];4134356 said:
1/2 final and people are naming bvb as powerhouse
powerhouse is only barca, because they won the CL so many times (in recent years not all history), after barca they are big clubs like manu,bayern, real, juventus etc...
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