[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (3 Viewers)

[blondu]

Ivan De La Pena another choker as a player.

one solid good player that was

 

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[Dostoevsky]

I remember seeing him play for Espanyol and he was one of the few players that had class on the pitch. Soft touch with the ball and nice vision.

 

[JCK]

one solid good player that was

He was a choker. Period.

 

[blondu]

I remember seeing him play for Espanyol and he was one of the few players that had class on the pitch. Soft touch with the ball and nice vision.

i saw him many times at barca..he had big passion

He was a choker. Period.

why ?

 

[Dostoevsky]

i saw him many times at barca..he had big passion

You were following football 13 years ago?

I only remember him from highlights when it comes to Barca matches.

 

[blondu]

i'm 23...of course i watched popescu's games..

 

[JCK]

i saw him many times at barca..he had big passion



why ?

He was with that barca team that choked so hard it was extremely funny. They barely won a thing, they bought more and more players and choked and choked and choked, the team and all their players. It was a lovely period, I wish it comes back.

 

[blondu]

ivan won in spain a title and some super/cups so they weren't chockers because in that time italy and germany had better teams than spain's and england's combined.. It's a cycle..we will bounce back...no reason to hate though

 

[JCK]

ivan won in spain a title and some super/cups so they weren't chockers because in that time italy and germany had better teams than spain's and england's combined.. It's a cycle..we will bounce back...no reason to hate though

He won ONE title with barca, the super cups I don't consider an achievement. Let me not talk about his spell at Lazio because that will fill a lot and a lot of empty lines and pages.

I am not hating at all, I am just having a nostalgic moment of the barca period where they choked most, it was by far the best period of football if you ask me. I have always known them to be chokers and I am extremely gutted on how things changed since 2006. And here I am yet again talking about barca and you are defending them. I end it here because we are not going with it anywhere.

 

[blondu]

where do you see me defending barca? i am defending a man who i watched and you consider him a chocker...in fact he was a good model player at those times for la liga. Things change, you can't live in the past. We gotta bash the heck out of juve and italian football rather than bash barca or other leagues that are miles ahead of us

 

[JCK]

where do you see me defending barca? i am defending a man who i watched and you consider him a chocker...in fact he was a good model player at those times for la liga. Things change, you can't live in the past. We gotta bash the heck out of juve and italian football rather than bash barca or other leagues that are miles ahead of us

You go bash whoever you want. I ain't bashing anyone, just stating a fact that barca and all its players in that period were chokers. And when I said defending them it was meant the club and its players, De La Pena being one of them.

 

[blondu]

a chocker is a player who doesn't win anything or doesn't play right in an important match...pena won some trophies => he's not a chocker..i don't defend the club either because i was talking about him, not barca. Talk to me about a guy who deserves a bash or is a chocker...like ibra in barca's days. You wrote about enrique and i didn't said a thing because you were right...

 

[Osman]

Lol Jack may be in general calling Barca then chokers, and isnt thinking of De La Pena individually much, but as a player, I would say yeah was a choker. Barca then were too much of a rollercoaster and no real foundation, but that had nothing to do with why De La Pena has had an underwhelming career considering his talent. He didnt have the mentality to take center stage, was considered a big talent/hope for the future like Xavi (first Guardiola successor before Xavi). But was waaaaaay to inconsistent and generally pissed his carer away, atleast to what it could have become, because he didnt have the right mentality, couldnt handle the pressure of that level at all.

Xavi was also close to giving up mentally like De La Pena did, he said it himself, stopped believing in making it and was close to Milan etc.


But regarding Luis Enrique, interesting Roma are taking such a risk, but it will be intriguing to see what he can bring to Italian football.

 

[A͎u͎s͎h͎]

Another Valerón, actually.

 

[Fake Melo]

Valeron

 

[JCK]

Lol Jack may be in general calling Barca then chokers, and isnt thinking of De La Pena individually much, but as a player, I would say yeah was a choker. Barca then were too much of a rollercoaster and no real foundation, but that had nothing to do with why De La Pena has had an underwhelming career considering his talent. He didnt have the mentality to take center stage, was considered a big talent/hope for the future like Xavi (first Guardiola successor before Xavi). But was waaaaaay to inconsistent and generally pissed his carer away, atleast to what it could have become, because he didnt have the right mentality, couldnt handle the pressure of that level at all.

Xavi was also close to giving up mentally like De La Pena did, he said it himself, stopped believing in making it and was close to Milan etc.


But regarding Luis Enrique, interesting Roma are taking such a risk, but it will be intriguing to see what he can bring to Italian football.

Thank you very much, De La Pena's spells in Italy and France say a lot about what I was aiming at as well.

 

[only-juve]

De La Pena the little Budha they used to call him. He was pretty decent with Barca from what i remember during the Ronaldo Era there.

But Barca's team overall were pretty average. Ronaldo's genius alone won them the Uefa cup winners cup back then.


Ronaldo > Messi anyday to me.....

 

[Trequartista]

De La Pena the little Budha they used to call him. He was pretty decent with Barca from what i remember during the Ronaldo Era there.

But Barca's team overall were pretty average. Ronaldo's genius alone won them the Uefa cup winners cup back then.


Ronaldo > Messi anyday to me.....

But, football started to exist 5 years ago

I agree with your post though.

 

[Fake Melo]

Player Market Value:
1. Inter (360.750.000 €)
2.ACMilan (253.750.000 €)
3. Juventus (247.900.000 €)
4. ASRoma (205.250.000 €)
5. Fiorentina (180.900.000 €)
6. SSC Napoli (147.300.000 €)
7. Genoa (119.100.000 €)
8.Lazio (113.300.000 €)

Transfer Market Value by Player:
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2. Eto'o (40.000.000 €)
3. De Rossi (38.000.000 €)
4.Ibra (35.000.000 €)
5. Pato (33.000.000 €)
6.Maicon (30.000.000 €)
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[Gabriel]

I love how Eto'o has a higher value than Ibra yet Barca gave him AND cash for the latter, talk about getting raped.