[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (206 Viewers)

[mondo1]

those poor professional football players.....the issue of an luxuary tax and getting paid for not playing thats the sort of problems everyone dreams of

 

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[mondo1]

I don't remember this. I think they just never got callups because we can only take so many players to each match.

as far as i know they were not allowed to train with the first team...had to train with the primavera.....

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That's one issue. The other issue is that the clubs want to shift part of the tax burden onto the players.

That wouldn't make sense, would it? Players are still gonna negotiate with the clubs on what they make after tax. They don't care what they make before.

If they were making $50 before the change and they still want to make $50 after. Whether the tax burden is split, the club will still have to pay them the same amount.

 

[Martin]

That wouldn't make sense, would it? Players are still gonna negotiate with the clubs on what they make after tax. They don't care what they make before.

If they were making $50 before the change and they still want to make $50 after. Whether the tax burden is split, the club will still have to pay them the same amount.

No, because this concerns some special new tax which hasn't even become law yet. The point is that as long as players have a net salary they are 100% sure of what they get.

 

[Naggar]

I wish I was like Manninger and others getting paid all year for playing for a few minutes

 

[Martin]

I wish I was like Manninger and others getting paid all year for playing for a few minutes

Well, you still have to train just as much as everyone else, you have to go everywhere with them, be ready, sleep in hotels all the time etc. I frankly don't love the idea

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

No, because this concerns some special new tax which hasn't even become law yet. The point is that as long as players have a net salary they are 100% sure of what they get.

I meant it wouldn't make sense on the clubs' part.

 

[Martin]

I meant it wouldn't make sense on the clubs' part.

Then why are they risking a strike over this? Sure it makes sense, it gives them more money basically.

 

[Naggar]

Well, you still have to train just as much as everyone else, you have to go everywhere with them, be ready, sleep in hotels all the time etc. I frankly don't love the idea

You get paid and you spend time with Buffon and Del Piero, I would train everyday just for that!

 

[swag]

Well, you still have to train just as much as everyone else, you have to go everywhere with them, be ready, sleep in hotels all the time etc. I frankly don't love the idea

Word. The least you can hope for is to play after all that investment.

 

[Martin]

You get paid and you spend time with Buffon and Del Piero, I would train everyday just for that!

Fair enough, my point though is that the only thing you can slack off about is playing matches, but everything else you still have to do. So that's quite different than literally doing nothing.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Then why are they risking a strike over this? Sure it makes sense, it gives them more money basically.

So if the players get the same net salary and the clubs get more money, the tax collector gets less?

 

[Martin]

So if the players get the same net salary and the clubs get more money, the tax collector gets less?

Look, let's say you're a player and you pay 50% tax, right? So we sign a contract for 5m, you get 5m, the club has to pay another 5m in taxes. But now a new tax is introduced. This is Italy so noone really knows how big or how reliable this tax is gonna be, when it's gonna be introduced etc etc. You as a player maintain that whatever this new tax is you still get 5m. The club says no you pay the tax.

The whole issue is the lack of clarity in politics, if you knew for certain that it would be 10% you could negotiate that with full predictability. But you can't.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Okay, I get it I guess it's to protect the Giaccherinis and Pazienza of calcio who can't just find a new club if this new tax doesn't work out in their benefit.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Great so Italy becomes an even less desirable place to come play football.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Great so Italy becomes an even less desirable place to come play football.

Not if the players get their way.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Either way. If the clubs have to pay it then they won't be able to offer the same wages.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Either way. If the clubs have to pay it then they won't be able to offer the same wages.

It would remain just as before... Unless this new tax is heavier which would be nuts because Italy's (for football at least) are already one of the highest in Europe.

 

[RAMI-N]

The strike is off?!

 

[acmilan]

The strike is off?!

seems that way - Tommasi has agreed to sign a temporary contract till 2012 that would allow the season to start and would give time for proper negotiations to take place in the meantime.
Looks like it would be game on this weekend.