Thanks, I saw it already. I meant can't the league use the replays to show he dived illegally and thus should be punished/fined?
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And damn Di Vaio for missing that easy chance in the last 10 minutes 
How could he hit Bonera?
Btw, when Di Vaio scored the first goal....what if that ball hit the post? Was that gonna be a red card for Amelia? It should have been a 100% red card and free kick, but I'm not sure if the ref would have gave it so I'm glad that the ball ended up in the net.
How could he hit Bonera? Btw, when Di Vaio scored the first goal....what if that ball hit the post? Was that gonna be a red card for Amelia? It should have been a 100% red card and free kick, but I'm not sure if the ref would have gave it so I'm glad that the ball ended up in the net.
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Krasic's dive was really easy to see and prove. In this case it will take Zlatan to admit that he dived in order to be banned because Raggi kicked with full force and if there was the slightest touch then Lega Calcio can't do shit. The replays don't show well if there was a slight touch or Raggi completely missed Zlatan. Plus, if it was a dive, Zlatan made it look very convincing while Krasic did it like an amateur, Gilardino style.
I don't expect Zlatan to admit that he dived nor Lega Serie A to do anything about it.
I don't expect Zlatan to admit that he dived nor Lega Serie A to do anything about it.
FIFA rules about handball are simple: A deliberate handball is a penalty.
But that leaves lots of freedome to the referee to decide what is a deliberate handball and what isn't.
12.9 DELIBERATE HANDLING
The offense known as “handling the ball” involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player’s hand or arm
(including fingertips, or outer shoulder). “Deliberate contact” means that the player could have avoided the touch
but chose not to, that the player’s arms were not in a normal playing position at the time, or that the player
deliberately continued an initially accidental contact for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage. Moving hands
or arms instinctively to protect the body when suddenly faced with a fast approaching ball does not constitute
deliberate contact unless there is subsequent action to direct the ball once contact is made. Likewise, placing hands
or arms to protect the body at a free kick or similar restart is not likely to produce an infringement unless there is
subsequent action to direct or control the ball. The fact that a player may benefit from the ball contacting the hand
does not transform the otherwise accidental event into an infringement [emphasis added]. A player infringes the Law
regarding handling the ball even if direct contact is avoided by holding something in the hand (clothing, shinguard,
etc.).
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Usually when there is more than a meter and a half i.e enough time and distance to move the hand away from the ball, the referees give penalty if the ball hits the hand and they consider it a deliberate handball because the player had time to move his hand away but didn't. But when the distance is too short and there is no time at all to move your hands away, the referees mostly decide not to give a penalty. In today's case both the distance between Zlatan and the hand of the defender was around half a meter only and also the handball wasn't deliberate at all.
The ref could have easily given a penalty there though and claim that the defender shouldn't have had his hands in such position at first place.
Seedorf's case is crystal clear though. Deliberate hand ball. Hand to ball, not ball to hand as it was the case with the Bologna defender after Zlatan's cross.
But that leaves lots of freedome to the referee to decide what is a deliberate handball and what isn't.
12.9 DELIBERATE HANDLING
The offense known as “handling the ball” involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player’s hand or arm
(including fingertips, or outer shoulder). “Deliberate contact” means that the player could have avoided the touch
but chose not to, that the player’s arms were not in a normal playing position at the time, or that the player
deliberately continued an initially accidental contact for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage. Moving hands
or arms instinctively to protect the body when suddenly faced with a fast approaching ball does not constitute
deliberate contact unless there is subsequent action to direct the ball once contact is made. Likewise, placing hands
or arms to protect the body at a free kick or similar restart is not likely to produce an infringement unless there is
subsequent action to direct or control the ball. The fact that a player may benefit from the ball contacting the hand
does not transform the otherwise accidental event into an infringement [emphasis added]. A player infringes the Law
regarding handling the ball even if direct contact is avoided by holding something in the hand (clothing, shinguard,
etc.).
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Usually when there is more than a meter and a half i.e enough time and distance to move the hand away from the ball, the referees give penalty if the ball hits the hand and they consider it a deliberate handball because the player had time to move his hand away but didn't. But when the distance is too short and there is no time at all to move your hands away, the referees mostly decide not to give a penalty. In today's case both the distance between Zlatan and the hand of the defender was around half a meter only and also the handball wasn't deliberate at all.
The ref could have easily given a penalty there though and claim that the defender shouldn't have had his hands in such position at first place.
Seedorf's case is crystal clear though. Deliberate hand ball. Hand to ball, not ball to hand as it was the case with the Bologna defender after Zlatan's cross.
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