[ITA] Serie A 2008/2009 (46 Viewers)
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.. for serving our kiddo and repairing our mistakes toward him ..
I think at the end of the day,it comes down to to his desire of CL success.Something that Milan wont target next season,but when they do get into Europe,from a completley unbiased point of view,they do bring up the strongest CL challange from Italy.I dont think he doesnt want to come back to Juventus simply for the heck of it.And i doubt if the hypocricy theory you put forward went through his head either.Zambrotta wanted to return to Italy,and Milan were the most attractive option for him because of their big stature.Yes,Inter are the strongest team in the league right now,but he probablly didnt want to take that big a risk -Going to Inter would have meant that Turin would have laothed him beyond comprehenesion,something that his move to Milan might not generate amongst all Juve fans.Yes Juventus fans do hate him now,but the hatred that a move to Inter would have generated would be much more than this.IMO,the sole reason he joined Milan was not because they were/are supposedly cleaner than Juventus..its just beacuse he wanted to play for an Italian giant that would give him the best shot at the CL in the last 4-5 years of his career.Inter was probably not an option,and the likes of Roma,Fiorentina etc dont have the same European stature as Milan.
I dont hate Zambrotta like a lot of people do,but when you take everything into account..his move to Milan is somehwhat,not entirely,but somewhat understandable.
I dont hate Zambrotta like a lot of people do,but when you take everything into account..his move to Milan is somehwhat,not entirely,but somewhat understandable.
This is where i think people are wrong. To think that with Milan the chance for winning the CL is bigger.
It's a well known fact that Milan are the most successful Italian team in Europe, but what people seem to forget that it's not the name of the team but it's a generation of players that leaves it's mark in Europe and it's very hard to create another successful generation.
To make myself more clear : Real Madrid is the team that won 9 CL's (Champion Cups) but in reality we're talking about two groups of Real Madrid players. The first one won the Cup 6 times and the second one won it 3 times.
In the meantime all the other "Real Madrid's" failed to bring the trophy to Real.
With Milan it's kinda different but still kinda same. Only the time period is different because what took Real 30 years it took only 8 years for Milan.
Milan that won 3 CL's from 1989-1994 was created by Sacchi and many players from Sacchi era were playing during the Cappelo era.
Then it took 8 years for Milan to again create a strong group that will rule Europe.
In 2003 they won the CL, they played the final in 2005 and they won it again in 2007. If you look at the team from 2003 and compare it with the team from 2007 you'll see that 7 of the players who were in the starting XI of the 2003 CL winning team were in the starting XI of the 2007 winning team (Dida, Maldini, Nesta, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Inzaghi).
It's the same generation of players, the same coach.
This year we've seen that this group of Milan players can not go on anymore.
Milan will have to (and i think they've already started) replace many of these oldies.
Now they will have to create a new group of players. It's a long process. We're still waiting for Juve to create a new golden generation, like the one from the mid/late 90's.
Berlusconi managed to do that faster, it took him only 8 years but now it's a question how long will it take him and Milan to form a new group to rule Europe.
It won't be less than 5 years, i'm sure about that. It can be 10 years, 15 years, 20 years or 30 years like it was with Real.
Zambrotta doesn't have 30 years, 20, 10, he doesn't even have 5 years of football.
That's why i wonder if he made the right choice (if we assume that winning the CL was the reason he joined Milan).
It's a well known fact that Milan are the most successful Italian team in Europe, but what people seem to forget that it's not the name of the team but it's a generation of players that leaves it's mark in Europe and it's very hard to create another successful generation.
To make myself more clear : Real Madrid is the team that won 9 CL's (Champion Cups) but in reality we're talking about two groups of Real Madrid players. The first one won the Cup 6 times and the second one won it 3 times.
In the meantime all the other "Real Madrid's" failed to bring the trophy to Real.
With Milan it's kinda different but still kinda same. Only the time period is different because what took Real 30 years it took only 8 years for Milan.
Milan that won 3 CL's from 1989-1994 was created by Sacchi and many players from Sacchi era were playing during the Cappelo era.
Then it took 8 years for Milan to again create a strong group that will rule Europe.
In 2003 they won the CL, they played the final in 2005 and they won it again in 2007. If you look at the team from 2003 and compare it with the team from 2007 you'll see that 7 of the players who were in the starting XI of the 2003 CL winning team were in the starting XI of the 2007 winning team (Dida, Maldini, Nesta, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Inzaghi).
It's the same generation of players, the same coach.
This year we've seen that this group of Milan players can not go on anymore.
Milan will have to (and i think they've already started) replace many of these oldies.
Now they will have to create a new group of players. It's a long process. We're still waiting for Juve to create a new golden generation, like the one from the mid/late 90's.
Berlusconi managed to do that faster, it took him only 8 years but now it's a question how long will it take him and Milan to form a new group to rule Europe.
It won't be less than 5 years, i'm sure about that. It can be 10 years, 15 years, 20 years or 30 years like it was with Real.
Zambrotta doesn't have 30 years, 20, 10, he doesn't even have 5 years of football.
That's why i wonder if he made the right choice (if we assume that winning the CL was the reason he joined Milan).
Well nothing hurts more than when he left in the wake of calciopoli. I was bitterly disappointed in him then. I would never wish any ill to befall on him for all that he's done for Juventus, but the fact that he left us in our time of need, and he was a player I had expected not to abandon us, whether forced to or by choice, all love is lost there and Zambro is no longer the Zambro I know.
I agree though, Milan is his best bet. He misses Italy, and for a player of his calibre and stature, there could only be 3 teams for him - Milan, Juve, and Inter. Let's face it going back to Juve would be too awkward and will never happen, going to Inter is plain idiocy and an attempt at career suicide, and that leaves Milan.
I cannot wait for our champions and Zambro's friends to play against him and show him what he's missing. It's going to be an interesting season.
I agree though, Milan is his best bet. He misses Italy, and for a player of his calibre and stature, there could only be 3 teams for him - Milan, Juve, and Inter. Let's face it going back to Juve would be too awkward and will never happen, going to Inter is plain idiocy and an attempt at career suicide, and that leaves Milan.
I cannot wait for our champions and Zambro's friends to play against him and show him what he's missing. It's going to be an interesting season.
Zambrotta signing for Milan was the worst kept secret out there. Everyone was sure during Calciopoli that he'll go to Milan but it looks like our board didn't want to sell more players to our traditional rivals.
He was talking about Milan for 2 years now, he's been praising them all the time. There weren't any serious rumours about Zambro joining another team. It was always Milan and at the end he did go to Milan.
One of the main reasons for going there is Zambro being a Milan fan.
Being a Milan fan and, as you said, being homesick is why he went back to Italy and to Milan.
It makes no difference if it was Roma, Inter or Milan. What still hurts is how he never had a good word for Juve and how we were the last team he would sign for.
That's why i'm mad at him. He always attacked Juve and always praised Milan. He made it sound like we were the bad and Milan are the good of Italian football.
What a cunt !
He was talking about Milan for 2 years now, he's been praising them all the time. There weren't any serious rumours about Zambro joining another team. It was always Milan and at the end he did go to Milan.
One of the main reasons for going there is Zambro being a Milan fan.
Being a Milan fan and, as you said, being homesick is why he went back to Italy and to Milan.
It makes no difference if it was Roma, Inter or Milan. What still hurts is how he never had a good word for Juve and how we were the last team he would sign for.
That's why i'm mad at him. He always attacked Juve and always praised Milan. He made it sound like we were the bad and Milan are the good of Italian football.
What a cunt !
I'm aware that talks have always been about him going to Milan, always has been. To be honest I was surprised he signed for Barca instead at that time, I don't know if they offered the better money or Juve just wanted to avoid selling Zambro to our rival in all that chaos
I didn't appreciate his "I feel cheated" comments either but I don't know anything about him "attacking Juve and always praising Milan" .. will have to look into that. I only have bitter feelings towards him alone for calciopoli, not Capello, not Cannavaro, not Thuram - probably because I didn't like his comments, but also, I expected better from him alone
I didn't appreciate his "I feel cheated" comments either but I don't know anything about him "attacking Juve and always praising Milan" .. will have to look into that. I only have bitter feelings towards him alone for calciopoli, not Capello, not Cannavaro, not Thuram - probably because I didn't like his comments, but also, I expected better from him alone
Yes he was the only one with Zlatan who were stabbing us in the back. It doesn't surprise me from Zlatan, but I didn't expected that Zambrotta would say such things. He became world class in Juve, we made him the player he is. He had no love for the club, he only talks about how HE felt betrayed. Very selfish.
Zlatan didn't need words to show what a cunt he really was about the whole thing. And I wouldn't be concerned with what happened with him - it was a different story with Zambrotta. He was made in Juventus, one of the candidates for vice captain, and to have him react the way it did - he broke a lot of hearts but mostly, disappointed us.
The manner in which Zlatan left Juventus was pathetic.Since then,he hasnt said anything bad.The same goes for Cannavaro.The difference is that Cannavaro didnt leave in a Zlatanish-manner.Even Viera hasnt said anything bad about Juventus since his departure.The same goes for Mutu if i recall correctly.
But Zambrotta and Thuram..that is sad.The 'Juventus Who?' comment by Thuram boils my blood more than the whole Zambrotta to Milan saga.
But Zambrotta and Thuram..that is sad.The 'Juventus Who?' comment by Thuram boils my blood more than the whole Zambrotta to Milan saga.
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