Prandelli is overrated? I think the opposite (talking about the media opinion).
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mr logic! don't get yourself to conclusions that fast.
Lazio played in CL this year, now they are in 13th position. Serie A is in worst shape this year, Juventus with all these bad results could even make the 2nd spot, yeah let's credit that to Ranieri, he is a great coach. Serie A is not tough like it used to be, Roma who got trashed last year with seven goals against manchester united, were the runner up of Serie A, now they were the only team go furthest from Serie A. Even Juve, that doesn't have a great squad, that like everyone says "they just came from Serie B" could beat Inter and Roma home. So if Fiorentina is making the 5th or even 4th spot in Serie A, is no big deal, got it?
Lazio played in CL this year, now they are in 13th position. Serie A is in worst shape this year, Juventus with all these bad results could even make the 2nd spot, yeah let's credit that to Ranieri, he is a great coach. Serie A is not tough like it used to be, Roma who got trashed last year with seven goals against manchester united, were the runner up of Serie A, now they were the only team go furthest from Serie A. Even Juve, that doesn't have a great squad, that like everyone says "they just came from Serie B" could beat Inter and Roma home. So if Fiorentina is making the 5th or even 4th spot in Serie A, is no big deal, got it?
Your Lazio point I adressed yes, Fiorentina could go bust by playing in CL. Could be too tough, but they'll need the money if they want to become strong enough for CL.
Serie A isn't in the worst shape at all. Yes the top 4 has been weak, but the rest of the league is damn great actually. The quality all sides, even the weakest ones, boast is just amazing and the level of tactical football of the small clubs has really improved over the years. A lot. The small coaches have been given a lot more freedom in recent teams by their respective boards to express their football and it shows. Just watch a cagliari match for example, very good football. You will fin it very difficult to find that in their spanish or english counterparts.
There is much more to a league than the top 4.
Besides you were unable to adress any of the points I made in my previous post..
Serie A isn't in the worst shape at all. Yes the top 4 has been weak, but the rest of the league is damn great actually. The quality all sides, even the weakest ones, boast is just amazing and the level of tactical football of the small clubs has really improved over the years. A lot. The small coaches have been given a lot more freedom in recent teams by their respective boards to express their football and it shows. Just watch a cagliari match for example, very good football. You will fin it very difficult to find that in their spanish or english counterparts.
There is much more to a league than the top 4.
Besides you were unable to adress any of the points I made in my previous post..
Everyone knows that serie A isn't what it used to be but I think you have it mixed up dude.
First of all, If you're so keen on C.L results on being a determining factor in rating a league then let's do so. Milan won the C.L last year, they nearly couldn't finish in the top four this year. Second placed Roma? Well, they knocked out the champions of Spain.
Juve is not just a team from serie B, we aren't Ascoli or Livorno. We have squad filled with stars and out of all people, I'd expect at least Juve fans to recognise that. Camo, Dp, nedved, Buffon, Zanetti, Chiellini, Trez aren't exactly the players you would see in a serie B squad. We have a very strong team, you shouldn't underrate Juve, we are still one of the best in Europe. At least we're still in the top ten.
Lazio didn't take advantage of the Mercato, that's their problem. They didn't invest but who's to say Fiorentina would do the same?
Finishing 4th in serie A is a feat. I think you underrate serie A a little too much. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you're one of those ignorant English idiots.
First of all, If you're so keen on C.L results on being a determining factor in rating a league then let's do so. Milan won the C.L last year, they nearly couldn't finish in the top four this year. Second placed Roma? Well, they knocked out the champions of Spain.
Juve is not just a team from serie B, we aren't Ascoli or Livorno. We have squad filled with stars and out of all people, I'd expect at least Juve fans to recognise that. Camo, Dp, nedved, Buffon, Zanetti, Chiellini, Trez aren't exactly the players you would see in a serie B squad. We have a very strong team, you shouldn't underrate Juve, we are still one of the best in Europe. At least we're still in the top ten.
Lazio didn't take advantage of the Mercato, that's their problem. They didn't invest but who's to say Fiorentina would do the same?
Finishing 4th in serie A is a feat. I think you underrate serie A a little too much. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you're one of those ignorant English idiots.
Cesar? 
I think Doni is second best GK.Frey would be third IMO.
I think Doni is second best GK.Frey would be third IMO.
and i really think, this season he have been pretty good, though i dont like to compare players from different teams, so i dont have goalie ranks etc.I already answered your points in my previous post, with the lazio and Juve examples. I am talking with exaggeration sometimes intentionally, and you are exaggerating that twice. I didn't mean Prandelli is a poor coach or Fiorentina can't even make the top 7, some people rate Prandelli like he is the best thing, he is an ok manager, he isn't doing any miracles, results are going on his way. His team is good enough to make the UEFA spot, that's at most, yes two seasons ago, was a different story, that Fiorentina was a different Fiorentina, but today's Fiorentina and last years aren't that exaggerated great! Last season Juve was not in the competition, that was an advantage for them to make the top 4 (without the deduction), this season, Milan wasn't in the league (they were ghosts), but even with that, they couldn't make the top 4. they are one point ahead of Udinese, and two against Sampdoria (or whatever the latest standing is), they could end up 7. FFS that's not a big fuck!
My main point was, Fiorentina was on the 4th standing, becuase of Milan's idiocy, and not the opposite. Stop putting words in my mouth you or others..
This is what I said for months when I criticized Ranieri, for fuck sake don't argue over that too
This team is good enough to make the top 4, but not good enough to beat the Champion of Italy and the runner up in their homes. I am not underrating anything, that was a sarcastic comment, that's why I used the "Like they say it" before I quoted it..
Some English fans are ignorant idiots, I know the bullshit they believe in, but if you say Serie A is better than their league this year, and that our champions are better, I am afraid you are more idiot than them! 3 teams in Semi is not a coincidence is it?
don't forget Cesar, Inter's keeper..
My main point was, Fiorentina was on the 4th standing, becuase of Milan's idiocy, and not the opposite. Stop putting words in my mouth you or others..
This is what I said for months when I criticized Ranieri, for fuck sake don't argue over that too
This team is good enough to make the top 4, but not good enough to beat the Champion of Italy and the runner up in their homes. I am not underrating anything, that was a sarcastic comment, that's why I used the "Like they say it" before I quoted it..
Some English fans are ignorant idiots, I know the bullshit they believe in, but if you say Serie A is better than their league this year, and that our champions are better, I am afraid you are more idiot than them! 3 teams in Semi is not a coincidence is it?
don't forget Cesar, Inter's keeper..
man, you have to decide wether Cesar is great or Inter defence are great, cause their defensive record is the best in league by far. saying that one inter player is good is not so painfull as praising 4 of them and i really think, this season he have been pretty good, though i dont like to compare players from different teams.
and i really think, this season he have been pretty good, though i dont like to compare players from different teams.
Cesar is good but nowhere near Doni I think.
This is what I said for months when I criticized Ranieri, for fuck sake don't argue over that too
This team is good enough to make the top 4, but not good enough to beat the Champion of Italy and the runner up in their homes. I am not underrating anything, that was a sarcastic comment, that's why I used the "Like they say it" before I quoted it..
Some English fans are ignorant idiots, I know the bullshit they believe in, but if you say Serie A is better than their league this year, and that our champions are better, I am afraid you are more idiot than them! 3 teams in Semi is not a coincidence is it?
don't forget Cesar, Inter's keeper..
This team is good enough to make the top 4, but not good enough to beat the Champion of Italy and the runner up in their homes. I am not underrating anything, that was a sarcastic comment, that's why I used the "Like they say it" before I quoted it..
Some English fans are ignorant idiots, I know the bullshit they believe in, but if you say Serie A is better than their league this year, and that our champions are better, I am afraid you are more idiot than them! 3 teams in Semi is not a coincidence is it?
don't forget Cesar, Inter's keeper..
The English league is better than Serie A when you compare the top 4 teams, no doubt. However, when you take he league as a whole, serie A and La liga are superior to Premiership.
You seem to to take Serie A just a little bit too lightly. It's still an excellent league. Like Dominic said, you have to look beyond the top 4 to really rate a league correctly.
Bold part: Why not? When Juve are in the form of their lives there is no reason we can't beat Inter, Roma, Man U, or Chelsea. We don't have stronger squads but we do have the players that can just create moments of magic like Alex, Trez, Nedved, Camo etc...
Also, this shows you the competitiveness of serie A. Any team can beat its rival, that's what's beautiful about Serie A. Empoli beat Milan, can Derby beat Manure, Chelsea, or Arsenal?
Cesar is below Frey, Doni, and Buffon in my opinion.
oh not the Forza Juve we are the best bullshit. That Juve was a different one, we are not in that level yet, and I doubt it is going to happen with Ranieri "beating any team in the world" thing!
And a league is not only about the competition in it, but the quality of the teams and players and their results in Europe too. If we will go with your logic, maybe Kazakhstan has the best league in the world, since the bottom teams there can beat the top. :faq1:
I don't credit the league only that way, that and the result of the teams in the league in Europe too!
And a league is not only about the competition in it, but the quality of the teams and players and their results in Europe too. If we will go with your logic, maybe Kazakhstan has the best league in the world, since the bottom teams there can beat the top. :faq1:
I don't credit the league only that way, that and the result of the teams in the league in Europe too!
For the love of god, I never said we were the best, I said we have the potential to beat the best. We did exactly that this year, we beat Roma, Inter(Serie Winners), and Milan(C.L winners). Our squad doesn't even come close to the top teams in Europe but that doesn't mean we can't beat them. I'm not saying something that is unrealistic, I'm saying something very reasonable, our team has players that could and did compete with the best in Europe.
Did I not imply quality when I said Empoli could beat the C.L winners. You would have to be a quality team to beat Milan, however, Empoli are fighting to stay in serie A, that's a quality league for you. If we go by my logic? Ok, first of all your argument is irrelevant because if the bottom team in Kazakh beats the top team, that would mean absolutely nothing since that team isn't recognised in Europe. If Empoli beats Milan, it's a different story, Milan are C.L winners. Big difference.
When was the last time you saw an English team win the European cup? Yeah, I thought so. That's because outside the top 4, England are utterly rubbish.
Did I not imply quality when I said Empoli could beat the C.L winners. You would have to be a quality team to beat Milan, however, Empoli are fighting to stay in serie A, that's a quality league for you. If we go by my logic? Ok, first of all your argument is irrelevant because if the bottom team in Kazakh beats the top team, that would mean absolutely nothing since that team isn't recognised in Europe. If Empoli beats Milan, it's a different story, Milan are C.L winners. Big difference.
When was the last time you saw an English team win the European cup? Yeah, I thought so. That's because outside the top 4, England are utterly rubbish.
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