Inter are too strong..it really looks like nobody can stop them...i wonder why they arent that way in the CL??
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How did you count this ? 
Even if we take every single bad call in consideration, we couldn't have had +12 points.
+2 points with Roma if Totti's goal didn't count and if everything else happened as it did happen (1:2 instead of 2:2)
+2 points with Parma if Iaquinta's goal wouldn't have been disallowed (3:2 instead of 2:2)
+1 point with Udinese if Iaquinta's goal wouldn't have been disallowed and if everything happened as it happened (1:1 instead of 0:1)
+1 point with Napoli if two scandalous penalties wouldn't have been called (1:1 instead of 3:1)
+2 points with Fiorentina if the ref didn't give penalty for them (0:1 instead of 1:1)
That's +8 points.
Really mate, how did you count 12 points
Yes, and will prove that we're bigger man than they are. We are man enough to say they are good and that's why they win. We're not losers like they are to whine about every win we made and to find excuses with the refs.
Even if we take every single bad call in consideration, we couldn't have had +12 points.
+2 points with Roma if Totti's goal didn't count and if everything else happened as it did happen (1:2 instead of 2:2)
+2 points with Parma if Iaquinta's goal wouldn't have been disallowed (3:2 instead of 2:2)
+1 point with Udinese if Iaquinta's goal wouldn't have been disallowed and if everything happened as it happened (1:1 instead of 0:1)
+1 point with Napoli if two scandalous penalties wouldn't have been called (1:1 instead of 3:1)
+2 points with Fiorentina if the ref didn't give penalty for them (0:1 instead of 1:1)
That's +8 points.
Really mate, how did you count 12 points
Yes, and will prove that we're bigger man than they are. We are man enough to say they are good and that's why they win. We're not losers like they are to whine about every win we made and to find excuses with the refs.
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more like 9pts Turk. Here's what the standings would look like with no ref "mistakes" according to some research team in Italy.
JUVENTUS 35 (+9)
ROMA* 31 (+3)
INTER* 30 (-1)
MILAN* 25 (+7)
FIORENTINA 24 (=)
REGGINA 22 (+12)
ATALANTA* 21 (=)
SAMPDORIA 19 (-1)
UDINESE 18 (-7)
PALERMO 17 (-1)
(*) una gara in meno
JUVENTUS 35 (+9)
ROMA* 31 (+3)
INTER* 30 (-1)
MILAN* 25 (+7)
FIORENTINA 24 (=)
REGGINA 22 (+12)
ATALANTA* 21 (=)
SAMPDORIA 19 (-1)
UDINESE 18 (-7)
PALERMO 17 (-1)
(*) una gara in meno
We shouldn't bother with these kind of researches Mark.
No-one can say what would have happened on Napoli-Juve if the penalties weren't given. We could have won, drawn, lost. The result was 1:1 before the first mistake and there were around 30 minutes to be played. We can't take this result for granted and say how 1 point was stolen from us or say what Turk says that we were better and that not one but 3 points were stolen.
It's a fact that the refs in Naples, Parma and Cagliari were awful and that we could have had few more points if the refs weren't so bad in Naples and Parma but realistically speaking, we don't deserve to be first or second placed for the way we played.
I think that even if the refs weren't so bad we would have still been 3rd placed.
And even if we play this game and count how many points the refs stole from us....... 1 point against Napoli and 2 points against Parma, maybe 1 more point against Udinese. That's 4 points, nothing more !
Fiorentina's penalty was a clear one for me. If Samuel or Nesta handballed the ball like Legro did we would have all asked for the ref to be hanged if he didn't give a penalty for us.
Totti's goal from offside...no chance on earth we would have beaten Roma on that match. And that goal is neutralized with the offside called on Gilardino when he was one one one with Gigi.
Trezeguet blocking Frey's view is another dubious call we got.
So Turk, buddy, lets not exaggerate. We could have had few more points, but that's it. Lets cut the whining and lets not give Inter fans the pleasure to laugh at us and call us whiners, cry babies or similar names.
No-one can say what would have happened on Napoli-Juve if the penalties weren't given. We could have won, drawn, lost. The result was 1:1 before the first mistake and there were around 30 minutes to be played. We can't take this result for granted and say how 1 point was stolen from us or say what Turk says that we were better and that not one but 3 points were stolen.
It's a fact that the refs in Naples, Parma and Cagliari were awful and that we could have had few more points if the refs weren't so bad in Naples and Parma but realistically speaking, we don't deserve to be first or second placed for the way we played.
I think that even if the refs weren't so bad we would have still been 3rd placed.
And even if we play this game and count how many points the refs stole from us....... 1 point against Napoli and 2 points against Parma, maybe 1 more point against Udinese. That's 4 points, nothing more !
Fiorentina's penalty was a clear one for me. If Samuel or Nesta handballed the ball like Legro did we would have all asked for the ref to be hanged if he didn't give a penalty for us.
Totti's goal from offside...no chance on earth we would have beaten Roma on that match. And that goal is neutralized with the offside called on Gilardino when he was one one one with Gigi.
Trezeguet blocking Frey's view is another dubious call we got.
So Turk, buddy, lets not exaggerate. We could have had few more points, but that's it. Lets cut the whining and lets not give Inter fans the pleasure to laugh at us and call us whiners, cry babies or similar names.
Italy roundup
Saturday December 8, 4:12 AM
(adds Kroldrup recovery, Vieri illness)
ROME, Dec 7 (Reuters) - Brief news ahead of this weekend's matches in Serie A.
* Inter Milan defender Walter Samuel is suspended for the home game against Torino on Sunday, which may persuade coach Roberto Mancini to give fit-again Marco Materazzi his first start of the season.
The league leaders and champions are also without Frenchman Olivier Dacourt, who may be out for the rest of the season after undergoing knee surgery. Dacourt joins fellow midfielders Luis Figo, Patrick Vieira, Dejan Stankovic and goalkeeper Francesco Toldo on Inter's injury list.
* AS Roma captain Francesco Totti hopes to play the full 90 minutes at Livorno on Sunday after recovering from a foot injury.
Totti played for an hour in Wednesday's 2-0 victory over Cagliari.
Italy midfielder Simone Perrotta is fighting to return from a groin problem but full back Marco Cassetti is out with a thigh strain for second-placed Roma.
Croatian defender Dario Knezevic is suspended for Livorno, who are unbeaten in five games.
* Italy midfielder Mauro Camoranesi is unlikely to take part in third-placed Juventus's home game against Atalanta on Sunday because of a muscle problem that kept him out of last weekend's 0-0 draw at AC Milan.
Captain Alessandro Del Piero is expected to return to the bench after starting Thursday's 2-1 defeat at Empoli in the first leg of an Italian Cup last-16 tie.
David Trezeguet, Serie A's top scorer with 11 goals, and Vincenzo Iaquinta are tipped to lead Juve's attack.
* Defender Andrea Dossena and midfielders Giampiero Pinzi and Gaetano D'Agostino are suspended for fourth-placed Udinese's home game against Sampdoria on Sunday.
* Midfielder Riccardo Montolivo returns from suspension for Fiorentina's visit to Palermo on Saturday and Danish defender Per Kroldrup is available after recovering from a leg muscle problem.
But the Florence-based side, who are fifth, will be without injured Czech international Tomas Ujfalusi and striker Christian Vieri, who has a bout of gastroenteritis.
* Swiss right back Valon Behrami will probably miss struggling Lazio's home game against Catania on Saturday because of a muscle problem but midfielder Massimo Mutarelli is back from a three-match suspension.
Lazio, who visit Real Madrid in the Champions League on Wednesday, are four points above the relegation zone in 15th place.
(Writing by Paul Virgo, editing by Tony Jimenez)
Reuters
Saturday December 8, 4:12 AM
(adds Kroldrup recovery, Vieri illness)
ROME, Dec 7 (Reuters) - Brief news ahead of this weekend's matches in Serie A.
* Inter Milan defender Walter Samuel is suspended for the home game against Torino on Sunday, which may persuade coach Roberto Mancini to give fit-again Marco Materazzi his first start of the season.
The league leaders and champions are also without Frenchman Olivier Dacourt, who may be out for the rest of the season after undergoing knee surgery. Dacourt joins fellow midfielders Luis Figo, Patrick Vieira, Dejan Stankovic and goalkeeper Francesco Toldo on Inter's injury list.
* AS Roma captain Francesco Totti hopes to play the full 90 minutes at Livorno on Sunday after recovering from a foot injury.
Totti played for an hour in Wednesday's 2-0 victory over Cagliari.
Italy midfielder Simone Perrotta is fighting to return from a groin problem but full back Marco Cassetti is out with a thigh strain for second-placed Roma.
Croatian defender Dario Knezevic is suspended for Livorno, who are unbeaten in five games.
* Italy midfielder Mauro Camoranesi is unlikely to take part in third-placed Juventus's home game against Atalanta on Sunday because of a muscle problem that kept him out of last weekend's 0-0 draw at AC Milan.
Captain Alessandro Del Piero is expected to return to the bench after starting Thursday's 2-1 defeat at Empoli in the first leg of an Italian Cup last-16 tie.
David Trezeguet, Serie A's top scorer with 11 goals, and Vincenzo Iaquinta are tipped to lead Juve's attack.
* Defender Andrea Dossena and midfielders Giampiero Pinzi and Gaetano D'Agostino are suspended for fourth-placed Udinese's home game against Sampdoria on Sunday.
* Midfielder Riccardo Montolivo returns from suspension for Fiorentina's visit to Palermo on Saturday and Danish defender Per Kroldrup is available after recovering from a leg muscle problem.
But the Florence-based side, who are fifth, will be without injured Czech international Tomas Ujfalusi and striker Christian Vieri, who has a bout of gastroenteritis.
* Swiss right back Valon Behrami will probably miss struggling Lazio's home game against Catania on Saturday because of a muscle problem but midfielder Massimo Mutarelli is back from a three-match suspension.
Lazio, who visit Real Madrid in the Champions League on Wednesday, are four points above the relegation zone in 15th place.
(Writing by Paul Virgo, editing by Tony Jimenez)
Reuters
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