[ITA] Serie A 2007/2008 (70 Viewers)

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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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While taking the corners, Gourcuff keeps putting the ball out of the corner semi-circle and the ref doesn't say shit. Wow man, I mean WOW! what a joke.
He did it at least 5 times.
And lets not forget that the penalty also came after a corner taken in such way.
He put the ball 30cm out of the corner circle, he took the corner and the ref gave a very dubious penalty.

P.S: Pato is an amazing talent. If the kid survives the brutality of serie A defenders he'll be huge one day.
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
Milan equalized from a non-existant penalty. What a joke. Very cheap goal. Milan is pathetic. I don't understand why are people afraid we will lose our top 4 spot. Milan are not going to catch us.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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By the way, if Juve sign Gilardino i am going to do a hara-kiri on myself but before i do that i will ban every single azzuri fan here who thinks that we should sign Gila.

The guy is the worst striker in the whole world. Completey useless.
And Corriere writes as if we're certainly signing Gila while Milan fans already talk about a possible Gilardino-Buffon swap :shifty:
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
For years I loved Italy and its football, but now, watching the kind of football which is playing in this league is getting more and more ridiculous. I watched Atletico Madrid - Barca tonight and it truly made my night. What a spectacular match! Full of joy, Energy, excitement and motivation. I really enjoyed it though I'm neither a fan of Barca nor an Atletico's one.

Italian football on the other side is gonna be destroyed completely. The more I watch this league, the more I detest it. After every match I'd watched in this season, I felt regretful. Watching 90 minutes of a stressful match, far from high level of the football we see in EPL or La Liga, and then a disgusting decision by the ref which is killing the game and this is the time you realized you completely have wasted your whole time watching the match. It gets worse when you're watching Juve and you have to endure Molinaro and Ranieri's tactics add to ref's unfair decisions. I'm just tired of it.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Milan equalized from a non-existant penalty. What a joke. Very cheap goal. Milan is pathetic. I don't understand why are people afraid we will lose our top 4 spot. Milan are not going to catch us.
Those people are lame indeed.

If there is any fairness in football, Milan won't be in CL next season, they simply don't deserve it.

They won like what 2 games at home the whole season :lol:
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
He did it at least 5 times.
And lets not forget that the penalty also came after a corner taken in such way.
He put the ball 30cm out of the corner circle, he took the corner and the ref gave a very dubious penalty.

P.S: Pato is an amazing talent. If the kid survives the brutality of serie A defenders he'll be huge one day.
Very true. He is the most talented youngster. More talented than Messi or Aguero IMO. The one and the only doubt is exactly what you mentioned.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
For years I loved Italy and its football, but now, watching the kind of football which is playing in this league is getting more and more ridiculous. I watched Atletico Madrid - Barca tonight and it truly made my night. What a spectacular match! Full of joy, Energy, excitement and motivation. I really enjoyed it though I'm neither a fan of Barca nor an Atletico's one.

Italian football on the other side is gonna be destroyed completely. The more I watch this league, the more I detest it. After every match I'd watched in this season, I felt regretful. Watching 90 minutes of a stressful match, far from high level of the football we see in EPL or La Liga, and then a disgusting decision by the ref which is killing the game and this is the time you realized you completely have wasted your whole time watching the match. It gets worse when you're watching Juve and you have to endure Molinaro and Ranieri's tactics add to ref's unfair decisions. I'm just tired of it.
you want me to be honest? If today I had an option to choose a team to become a fan of, the last thing I would is to pick an Italian team, Italian football is the ugliest league, with the ugliest style of play..

But, I have no options, I love this club, and I don't change clubs like elayan or that Jesus guy every week, my disgust will become bigger till a day I will stop watching football permanently.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Those people are lame indeed.

If there is any fairness in football, Milan won't be in CL next season, they simply don't deserve it.

They won like what 2 games at home the whole season :lol:
Just hope Arsenal throw them off the CL. It seems beating them in San Siro is way easier than do it in the other stadiums :biggrin:
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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you want me to be honest? If today I had an option to choose a team to become a fan of, the last thing I would is to pick an Italian team, Italian football is the ugliest league, with the ugliest style of play..

But, I have no options, I love this club, and I don't change clubs like elayan or that Jesus guy every week, my disgust will become bigger till a day I will stop watching football permanently.
Well, we'll just cheer the crap out of Juve in Europe, I guess :)
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Thanx to Moggi I am missing that for 2 years, let's see if Ranieri will give me the 3rd. My football life without Champions league sucks, god I can't stand another year. :scared:
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,016
Yeah, Snoop. Same here

Most of us here became Juventini at the time when Italian football was head and shoulders above the other leagues. It was easy to become a Calcio fan and a Juventino.
Today's kids.....i really don't see how and why will someone start being a calcio fan.

And this is really important actually. The less fans the less money for the teams.
Add the huge taxes Italians pay compared to the other big teams outside Italy, and you'll see why we're becomming financially inferior to Real or Manchester with every year passing.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
I am not complaining the weakness or how uncompetitive Juve is, but the dirtiness of the league, they way it is operating, and also the game approach of every team in Serie A, teams getting more defensive and boring. They keep telling me why are you complaining about Ranieri, would you rather be a Milan fan? yeah I would die if we played like them, attacking, and entertaining even if the results sucks! If we only kept Deschamps everything were going to be different today, you won't believe me but last years I enjoyed watching Juve very much, it was a reborn, clean, innocent and fighting Juve was, the team spirit and all, that all work went on until the half of the season or prior to that, it was all Didier's work, but then Ranieri ruined it and we came to the point while everyone has no clue what to do on the pitch, we were getting pathetic, boring and unbearable at the last weeks or months of Capello's time, but today it is much worse than ever, but everyone seems satisfied in the board. If we only had passionate and crazy board like Real Madrid, now I totally understand why they sacked Capello, even thou he brought them the title. Can our smartass board dare to do something like that against Ranieri??
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Few months ago i talked about the problems Italian teams experience with the huge taxes.
Italian teams have to pay 50% taxes for the wages of their players.
Back then i thought that if player X is getting 6m euro wages then the team will have to pay 50% of these 6m for taxes. It means that they had to pay 6m+ 3m euro taxes = 9 million euro.

Well, i was wrong.

The situation is even worse.
If one player wants 6 million euro wages then these 6m euro reprsent 50% of the total sum.
So, if the player gets 6m euro and it's 50% of the total sum, it means that the other 50% (taxes) are also 6m euro so the team actually has to pay 12m euro for the wages of the player.

Now where is the problem ?

Spanish teams for example, pay 25% of the total sum for taxes while player's wages represent 75% of the total sum.
So, if one player in some Spanish team earns 6m euro wages, these 6 m euro are actually 75% of the total sum while the taxes are 25% of the total, or 2 m euro.
It means that the Spanish team will have to pay 8 m euro for the wages of this player.
Compare this with the 12 m euro an Italian team will have to pay.

This is a big problem in case there is a war between two teams for one same player, because Juventus will have to pay 12 m euro in order the player to get 6 m euro wages.
But a Spanish team can offer the player 9 m euro wages and if we add the taxes the Spanish teams pay (25%) it means that the total sum the Spanish team will pay is 12 m euro.

Italians pay 12 m euro for the player to get 6 m euro wages while the Spanish pay 12 m euro for the player to get 9 m euro wages.
What will the player chose in this case, what do you think ?

And it looks much worse if we take the overall sum Italians and the Spanish pay for wages.
If Juve give 100 m euro for players wages in one year, Juve will have to pay a total sum of 200 m euro.
But if Barcelona pay 100 m euro for player's wages, Barcelona will pay a total sum of 133 m euro for wages.
The difference is 67 m euro for one single year.

I say this in case somone starts moaning this summer why did Barcelona beat us for Diego's signature or why did Real beat us for van der Vaart's signature.
:D
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
50% tax of 6 Million wage = 3 Million

100% tax of 6 Million wage = 6 Million.

taxes gets calculated on the original sum, and not on the sum of the wage + tax, in other words twice!

so If we are paying 100 Million Euors for our wage budget which is 100 Million Euros, then it means the tax is 100%.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,016
50% tax of 6 Million wage = 3 Million

100% tax of 6 Million wage = 6 Million.

taxes gets calculated on the original sum, and not on the sum of the wage + tax, in other words twice!

so If we are paying 100 Million Euors for our wage budget which is 100 Million Euros, then it means the tax is 100%.
That's what i originally thought but an Italian guy explained to me how taxes are actually calculated.
You don't pay 50% of the wages. The 50% taxes are actually 50% of the total sum. So 50% of the total is for players wages and 50% of the total is for taxes.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
so it means we pay 100% tax, according to that Italian guy. If it is true, either the Italian guy is on crack, or the one who put this law is on crack, and the rest of serie A teams who are paying these are all on crack! One thing I am sure is that someone is on crack..
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,016
so it means we pay 100% tax, according to that Italian guy. If it is true, either the Italian guy is on crack, or the one who put this law is on crack, and the rest of serie A teams who are paying these are all on crack! One thing I am sure is that someone is on crack..
Lol, that i wouldn't know.
I was arguing with him about this but the guy claims this is how taxes in football are calculated.
He's not an economist, he's a lawyer so i wouldn't know how reliable he is.
 
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